Seems pretty clear to me. We need to source those auxiliaries separately. Otherwise why would it be noted like that at all?
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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Seems pretty clear to me. We need to source those auxiliaries separately. Otherwise why would it be noted like that at all?
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Granted. But since Engineering Teams that come with spaceships cost a full 10 points, and I want scientists in the field right now, I'm willing to take a Heavy Industry Team and a couple patrol ships in change.
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SynchronizedWritersBlock, I suspect you are right. But I would like confirmation, because it's an unusual case where the "real" cost of a team is 'hidden' in that you have to back up and calculate it separately. I'm not sure that's what Oneiros actually intended, so I'm asking.
@Blackshard :
As far as I can determine, Starfleet Engineering will function as an engineering team... but isn't going to be functional as one unless we pay 10 points to get ships for them.
In which case Starfleet Engineering costs in effect fifteen points to mobilize, whereas member world engineering teams cost ten.
However, it looks like Starfleet Engineering would cost zero 'war support' to mobilize, because member worlds don't lose war support when their ships are drafted as far as I can tell.
Whereas a 'war support' cost of Earth, Andorian, Tellarite, etc. engineers is applied against the respective homeworlds' willingness to support the war.
@Blackshard :
As far as I can determine, Starfleet Engineering will function as an engineering team... but isn't going to be functional as one unless we pay 10 points to get ships for them.
In which case Starfleet Engineering costs in effect fifteen points to mobilize, whereas member world engineering teams cost ten.
However, it looks like Starfleet Engineering would cost zero 'war support' to mobilize, because member worlds don't lose war support when their ships are drafted as far as I can tell.
Whereas a 'war support' cost of Earth, Andorian, Tellarite, etc. engineers is applied against the respective homeworlds' willingness to support the war.
The only scientists we get from your plan are the scientists aboard that one cruiser. I am not sure they represent a whole team all by themselves. It seems unlikely, because we would then be getting two research teams for the price of one (cheap) one.
No, they cost this:
Federalise Auxiliary Units from <Member World> (3 cost for freighter, 2 cost for cargo ship, 3 cost for other auxiliary units)
The advantage Starfleet Engineering has is that even though it costs 15 points, total, the cost is split among Starfleet (5 pts) and as many member worlds as we care to spread it among (the 10 points of ships). A Member World engineering team is cheaper (10 points) but all of the cost comes down on a single member world.
lbmaian
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Starfleet Engineering is listed that way because the war support costs have to be divided up between Starfleet war support and other member world(s) war support.
15 total cost is the "standard" war support cost for an engineering team + logistics: "Generate Generic Engineering Team from <Member World> (15 Cost to Member World, gain Engineering team)" (edit: actually, it doesn't mention any aux ships here, but for that large cost, I suspect they do come included)
It's only Tellar, Earth, and Andor that provided discounted engineering team + logistics.
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Okay, SOMEHOW I got the idea that the point cost of assets was separate from the "reduced war support" consequence we get from drawing certain assets.
Maybe I just just give up.
I'm pretty torn. I know I've got the "External Diplomacy + All the Runabouts" vote in now, but I feel like there's good arguments for more internal diplomacy, or engineering, or heavy industry. The only thing everybody seems sure about is that External Diplomacy team. Beyond that, anything could be a good idea.
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@OneirosTheWriter
A few questions related to a potential omake series:
A few questions related to a potential omake series:
A) do you have a Commander for the Red team yet?
B) How big is the team?
C) What rank do you need to command it?
D) What rank is a runabout pilot?
E) How long does it take to get promoted, assuming above average performance?
F) Do you have anything in mind for pilot training?
B) How big is the team?
C) What rank do you need to command it?
D) What rank is a runabout pilot?
E) How long does it take to get promoted, assuming above average performance?
F) Do you have anything in mind for pilot training?
lbmaian
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So by default, we're going to have a total of 20+10+10=40 war support that we can spend by the time the war officially starts in 2315.
Given that there's more than 40 points* that I want to spend before that, I consider it of primary importance to get an internal diplomacy team to increase the amount of war support we can spend. If it's +5/month, then that's +10, which only breaks even, yet still gets the other benefits of an internal diplomacy team. If it's +10/month, than we get +20, which is a net +10 that we can spend.
I also think it's important to get the Ked Paddah on board, and given how this month's Captain's Logs events went, this may a longer process than we'd like. So getting an external diplomacy team to start ASAP is also important.
Recons and starbase/outpost construction mobilization can wait another month.
[X] Plan Diplomatic Buildup
-[X] Federation Diplomatic Service Ambassadorial Team 4 - External Diplomacy (10pt cost for Starfleet, gain External Diplomacy Team)
-[X] Federation Diplomatic Service Consular Team 3 - Internal Diplomacy (10pt cost for Starfleet, gain Internal Diplomacy Team)
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* My wishlist before the war starts:
External diplomacy team - 10pt
Internal diplomacy team - 10pt
All the recon teams (+ bonus research cruiser) - 3+4+3=10pt
At least one heavy industry team - 5 or 10pt
An engineering team + logistics - 10pt
Total: 45 or 50pt
As this Arcadian Crisis proceeds this quarter, more options may turn up, and thus this wish list may expand.
Given that there's more than 40 points* that I want to spend before that, I consider it of primary importance to get an internal diplomacy team to increase the amount of war support we can spend. If it's +5/month, then that's +10, which only breaks even, yet still gets the other benefits of an internal diplomacy team. If it's +10/month, than we get +20, which is a net +10 that we can spend.
I also think it's important to get the Ked Paddah on board, and given how this month's Captain's Logs events went, this may a longer process than we'd like. So getting an external diplomacy team to start ASAP is also important.
Recons and starbase/outpost construction mobilization can wait another month.
[X] Plan Diplomatic Buildup
-[X] Federation Diplomatic Service Ambassadorial Team 4 - External Diplomacy (10pt cost for Starfleet, gain External Diplomacy Team)
-[X] Federation Diplomatic Service Consular Team 3 - Internal Diplomacy (10pt cost for Starfleet, gain Internal Diplomacy Team)
edit:
* My wishlist before the war starts:
External diplomacy team - 10pt
Internal diplomacy team - 10pt
All the recon teams (+ bonus research cruiser) - 3+4+3=10pt
At least one heavy industry team - 5 or 10pt
An engineering team + logistics - 10pt
Total: 45 or 50pt
As this Arcadian Crisis proceeds this quarter, more options may turn up, and thus this wish list may expand.
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[X] Plan Diplomatic Buildup
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Okay, stupid questions:
1) How many rounds to prepare before the ultimatum ends?
2) How many points to invest?
Depending on 1) and 2), what's the plan?
Going in fast and hard?
Slow and sure?
Recon & decapacitation?
Recon & decide then?
Because that should be the basis for what we do NOW.
1) How many rounds to prepare before the ultimatum ends?
2) How many points to invest?
Depending on 1) and 2), what's the plan?
Going in fast and hard?
Slow and sure?
Recon & decapacitation?
Recon & decide then?
Because that should be the basis for what we do NOW.
Theunderbolt
"Prepare for trouble..."
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- USoA
[X] Plan Diplomatic Buildup
AKuz
Been Better
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- A Rising Tide of Horrors
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I'm not the qm (obviously) But Red Squad is /Academy/ red squad. We're drafting a bunch of the most talented 3rd and 4th years and really hoping we don't get them pointlessly killed. So the answer to a couple of your questions are "Most of them are literally cadets"
I have to say I do like that in case of a general war with high casualties, we have a reserve that we can call up. e: Not the academy, the other one.
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We do. It's 20 deep. That's some, but it's not lots, and we have to give them back once the war is over.
Yes, that was what I was talking about.
I thought you were referencing the Khitomer Accords.
Briefvoice Strategy Plan
We're under the gun to make this a "fast" war, which means finishing it in under a year. Despite that, we can't be reckless. I think we should do something like this:
1. Pick two of their major worlds (but not the capital) and begin intercepting shipping around both to cut them off. This would be done with Task Force #1 and #2.
2. Eventually, they're forced to respond. When a Licori fleet is sent out, consider its size.
2a. If they seem to have committed a lot of their forces, have whichever Task Force they went after retreat. Meanwhile Task Force #3 combines with whichever Task Force they didn't go after and hits the planet they didn't commit to defending. Base strike, take out the Outpost, control the orbit.
2b. If they didn't commit sufficient forces to draw down defenses on one of the worlds, make them pay for it by combinining Task Force #3 with whichever Task Force they did go after and smash their much-weaker fleet.
3. Ideally cooperate with Gaeni and Ked Peddah on the above.
The idea is that no matter how they choose to respond, it's the wrong bet. If they mass the majority of their fleet to take on one of our Tasks Forces, we hit them at a different location with the remainder of our fleet. If they try to conserve their forces and send a smaller fleet, we smash it flat with our superior firepower. If they try to hunker down and not do anything at all, we destroy their cargo ships and freighters and disrupt their supply network until they have to do something, because only the home world is fully self sufficient.
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- Germany
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- He/Him
Buildup?
Like:
- Shore up infrastructure
- Secure diplomatic front
- Deploy recon/patrols
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- Central Standard Time
Ok.
That works out well with my general character timeline. Well, depending on a couple other factors.
[X] Plan Diplomatic Buildup
Well if Nix votes for it, I will as well.
Well if Nix votes for it, I will as well.
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I just noticed
I assume that "Rec_T" means 'reaction roll,' as in a check against the Defense stat.OneirosTheWriter said:
Night_stalker
Slava Ukraini!
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[X] Plan Diplomatic Buildup
KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
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[X] Plan Diplomatic Buildup