Didn't we have a heavily modded Outpost as our HQ during the Biophage Crisis. Pretty sure we did.
Edit: In that case, the Outpost was modded with Explorer-grade sensors instead of upgraded weapons & shields.
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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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Didn't we have a heavily modded Outpost as our HQ during the Biophage Crisis. Pretty sure we did.
Edit: In that case, the Outpost was modded with Explorer-grade sensors instead of upgraded weapons & shields.
- Location
- USA
I like the higher outpost stats, it means an explorer can't come up and wipe it out without supporting ships
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
It's possible that the damage -> repair time relationship isn't absolute - Oneiros might take a range of possible times for each damage level, and then roll individually to model how some parts of the hull are harder to repair than others.
This is definitely something @OneirosTheWriter should be careful to account for in the future. ROE/context should determine if fleets count stationary emplacements for the purpose of retreat calculations. In many situations, they should not.
The narration accounted for it here and it made some sense. I personally don't think it wise to stick around but the Sydraxians were in last ditch mode.
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I think I've got it. I think the Sydraxians rushed Starbase research like we rushed Shield Regeneration.
Look at this: https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/6898100/
We haven't put a single sausage into 2310s Starbase tech.
Nervos Belli
Don't think this means you've won!
- Location
- Murica
It makes sense for them to stay as long as possible in this context though, given that losing the outpost means they are cut off from the GBZ. I agree that's something to be cautious of in future circumstances though.
- Location
- USA
I think part of the repair time includes travel time to where it is being repaired which is another variable
Is it just me, or does it seem like there's something missing for this segment? Bonus resources/mining colony/report that the event failed because of something?
It's hard to say. We do know that in one specific case, the USS Shield, the travel time was explicitly stated which may imply that in any cases it's not stated it can be ignored. On the other hand that may have just been Oneiros letting us know that he includes travel time in the repair time.
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- somewhere
Hmm, C4 S3 H8 L8 P4 D4 was without ToC Starbase Design, so our outposts should currently have C6 S4 H9 L9 P4 D4. 2310s Starbase Design - Combat would make an outpost have C8 S5 H10 L11 P4 D4, so that's not quite it.
ToC Starbase Design is probably part of the answer, but they apparently also get +3H +3L from somewhere else.
Chaos Blade
Procrastinating Writer
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
I assume there are simpler ways of committing suicide than to lower shields in the middle of a battle, to evacuate key personnel...
They are going to tow that ship back to the heartland of the federation and try and go though it with a few engineering crews. they might even visibly dispose the ship afterwards and use subterfuge to me it to some black shipyard or analogue and finish reconstruction there or, alternatively, grab all readings from that hull and use it to produce their own version of them
Yes and no, the shields were at zero, but they still regenerated, meaning the shield could and might block a shot, at least partially, every refresh
On the other hand, we do have remaining crew on all hulls left behind AND transporting people in combat would mean staying close to a place for a set amount of time. that would let the enemy go in for the kill. a debatable action that might be acceptable to try and evacuate the brass (or alternatively, to mass scatter them), but the former is a terrible risk for the beaming ship and the crews of both vessels, the latter is going to be shit for morale.
UbeOne
Daydreaming CPU
- Location
- Philippines
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- She/Her
A bonus ability from their commander?
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
That's just it, I don't think Starfleet has black shipyards, or any equivalent; if they did, we'd know about it, being the Head of Starfleet.
UbeOne
Daydreaming CPU
- Location
- Philippines
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- She/Her
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Nah, @OneirosTheWriter confirmed Section 31 aren't a thing in this quest.*Section 31 intensifies*
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Well, you got one of the most lopsided victories in the history of warfare- just don't get used to every battle being like this or you may never be happy again.
It probably depends on the context. Here, we presumably have control of the star system, but not 100% certain permanent secure control. If a significant fraction of our ships leave, and sooner or later they will, what's left of the Sydraxian navy could jump us to get revenge; the system we captured isn't that far from their space.
Shoring up one of the captured wrecks plus exciting-looking bits of the other wrecks and towing them home is plausible, but there wouldn't be time to run major scrapping operations on several million-ton starships, so I'd expect us to see capture of the crews and internment in a prison camp facility, plus scrapping/scuttling of the ship wrecks if we can't take them with us.
Point of order:
Somewhere between one and three of the Cardassian client states juuust might openly rebel if the Cardassians don't maintain strong military garrisons in or near their space, we know the Cardassians were using warships for critical cargo runs five years ago and that may still be true. And our intelligence on what's over on the other side of Cardassian space isn't so good that we can be sure they don't need to worry about someone like the Breen or the Ferengi as an enemy that requires a military garrison to keep an eye on them.
Just remember, any bad thing the Cardassians could do to us now is something they could have done anyway if we hadn't fought this battle. Only if we hadn't fought this battle it'd be worse for us because we'd have more Sydraxians to worry about while it was happening.
At the moment, she's also a shoo-in for Sulu's job when he retires or takes top slot, because she's probably just established herself as one of the top two or three field commanders of her generation in the Federation.
Leslie:
"Y'know, the last time I threw some half-assed poetry at sis as a joke, she polished it up into Banned From Argo... I didn't get promoted for fifteen years, but it was worth it, in a way. Maybe Sis can work something out this time too."
[grins evilly]
"Peace is our profession, blowing stuff up is just a hobby?"
I'm not sure that the population of a major world counts as "billions," especially since this is explicitly a planet that was colonized within the past 200 years or less since it's a human colony.
If a ship is reduced to 5% Hull remaining and literally every single being aboard is dead, it's a fair bet that the computer network is in bad shape too. Something to remember.
Starfleet's secret black ops berth is on row 16 of my spreadsheet. I keep it hidden and unpopulated because we never know what's in it, but I can tell you it's concealed on the outer edge of the Tellar system, disguised as a Kuiper Belt refinery
/jk :lol
lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
One difference between Challorn and Saratoga, despite comparable amounts of damage is the Challorn only had to be towed to the nearby Collie repair bay, while the Saratoga had to be towed to Irizizza. Could result in a month or so difference, which could round to a quarter.
We need to rush Starbase/Outpost Repair...
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
The wreck of a Kalindrax is big enough that it might require an Excelsior to tow them at useful speed, and the wrecks are in poor enough condition that I suspect they're in danger of breaking up. If we're lucky we can tow back the wreck of the "crew killed" ship, but the disabled ships may well just have to be wrecked in place with enough antimatter to turn them into dispersed debris clouds.
As mentioned in my previous post, I don't think our control of the Lora system is secure enough for us to start scrapping the wrecks in place and shoveling the pieces into freighters.
Though given how battered it is, I wouldn't be surprised if she still needs a tow to do anything more than limp back to Collie at Warp 3 or something.
We could offer it to the Gretarians to help them protect themselves from Yrillian pirates. They'd probably say "no" and be creeped out by the offer, though, so I dunno.
Yeah. Plus, the Sydraxian survivors are probably too busy going "AIEEE! THE DEFLECTOR DISHES! THE HORRIBLE DEFLECTOR DISHES! IT BUUURNS! MAKE IT STOP!" to give them coherent after-action reports. They can't possibly know the condition of our ships or how many of them are still fit to fight.
Unless their commander has a truly astoundingly high balls:brains ratio, they're unlikely to assume we've been weakened enough to make a counterattack a sure thing.
It looks like that's what happened at Deva IX (half Hull retreat), but in the convoy skirmish the Sydraxians ran away screaming from Exeter SMASH! well before they were reduced to half hull. I wouldn't make any confident bets on what their RoE look like. Given how weird and multifaceted their overall behavior here and in the Sydraxian Border Zone has been, I'm not even sure they have rules of engagement; they may just have a policy of telling commanders on the spot to wing it.
Maybe the Sydraxians build outposts with more fortifications than we do? Maybe they made this outpost extra-beefy because they planned their defenses in the Lora system to repel the scale of attack that they ran into at Deva IX?
No naming ships for recent battles, because we're not Klingons (or Sydraxians). But I like the dialogue.
Tow, inspect for technology, doctrine and general information and scrap would be likely.
You wouldn't want to use a combat hull in that case. Too obvious and very unlike Starfleet's culture.
If we ever want to cause war with the Sydraxians we could rebuild the Kalindrax that lost its crew, call it USS Lora and station it in the SBZ
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Chaos Blade
Procrastinating Writer
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
Things tend to go from peace to pieces when we get bored?
- Location
- Infraspace
So, uh, what are rows 11-14 inclusive, then?