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Hrm, the developers want more of the things I want, but that colony being given to nearest member world for 3 years is ouch. On the other hand, the big ticket item for the Pacifists isn't actually that bad(new Constie stats would be 3C 4S 2H 3L, 3P 4D) but they don't have as many of the other items I want.

[X] Accept the Pacifist Proposal (Earmarks 100pp)

Simply because no new colonies is too big a sticker shock
 
Ahaha... yeah no.



[X] Retract the proposals (0pp)

This reads like a political shitstorm in the making, and the two options are just... not that great. Lots of requirements we really don't need to meet, such as a rediculous number of memberworld berths, a frankly large number of starbases, and some auxiliary shipyards in a place that is strategically awful for the purpose.

Don't let me even get started on that mining colony deal. That would fucking cripple us. That's reason enough to not pick that option.

Not to mention they both cost 100pp. I mean Jesus Christ.

As for the intelligence concerns, Linderly and Sulu both have a point, and if Linderly is concerned, I'm gonna keep a gimlet eye.
 
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Well...that's about what I expected from this write-in Sousa deal.

100pp is very steep. Some of the "pork" options help make up for it, but not nearly enough. And it remains to be seen how effective this Yrillian deal would be.

edit: And the "Any new mining candidate outside of the GBZ over the next 3 years will be assigned to nearest member world" is an absolute deal breaker.

OneirosTheWriter said:
-New Pacifist Spec Constellation refit [+2 S, +1 P,L,D, for 25br 25sr, 4 turns, new unit cost of 70/50]
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What, is this supposed to be a cost?

This is a perfect refit for the Constellation. C3 S4 H2 L3 P3 D4, only takes 25br/25sr/1yr to refit. This is far better than the [+1 C,S,H,L,D, for 40br, 30sr, 1.5 Year (6 turns)] refit option we got at the snakepit.

We don't need a Constellation refit to make it into a light combat cruiser that competes with the Connie-B and Rennie role, and competes poorly at that. What we really want is a more event-focused garrison light cruiser - something better than the Centaur-A - that can help bridge the gap between now and Kepler mass production.

@OneirosTheWriter, can we get this as a refit option for the next snakepit, regardless of whether we reject the Pacifist proposal?
 
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[X] Retract the proposals (0pp)

Yeah, re-reading the update makes it clear that while a good idea in theory, hardly anybody likes it and this isn't the political hill to die on, so to speak.
 
AlphaDelta said:
[X] Retract the proposals (0pp)

Yeah, political shitstorm.



Well, it's a QM mandated refit, like the previous ones. Refit capability isn't in the sheets - yet.
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It's actually a pretty good statline for the Constie, and I'd like to get it regardless, but not at effectively 100pp(the other stuff on the Pacifist list is bleh).
 
Welp. This was a waste. But a good player of the Political game knows when to fold. Best to retract it in the testing the waters phase. I don't think anyone will be too put out by use quietly letting the matter drop in committee. Sousa can probably find a way to make people slowly forget about this without it costing us anything but the opportunity. *Sigh*

[x] Retract the proposals (0pp)
 
I have added where the Starbases will be located and where the assembly facility will be located. Also right now our PP income is 117+ Seyek (likely 2 or 3) so we can afford the deals.

Edit: PP income is 117 (missed a mine), also we have 15 pp per year tied up in anti syndicate legislation, depending on when that goes away we may have additional gains. Still we are looking at a min of 19 pp in income after the allocation, combined with any gains over the next 3 quarters.


[ ] Retract the proposals (0pp)

[ ] Accept the Development Proposal (Earmarks 100pp)
-Establish Starbase at Leas Akaam- Amarkia Sector
-Establish Starbase at Ord Grind Duk- Tellar Sector
-Expand Auxiliary Shipyard with one 2mt berth and one 1mt berth
-New Auxiliary Shipyard to be built at Indoria with 2x2mt Berths
-Any new mining candidate outside of the GBZ over the next 3 years will be assigned to nearest member world

[ ] Accept the Pacifist Proposal (Earmarks 100pp)
-New Member World 3mt berth to be built at Chelok-An (Vulcan)
-New Member World 1mt berth to be built at Rixx Loxhanda DY (Betazed)
-New Nacelle Assembly Facility to be built at Sar Alpha -Tellar Sector (between Tellar and Vulcan)
-New Starbase at New Seoul - Sol Sector (Next to Gaeni on the eastern edge of Sol sector)
-New Pacifist Spec Constellation refit [+2 S, +1 P,L,D, for 25br 25sr, 4 turns, new unit cost of 70/50]

@OneirosTheWriter the member world berths, are those yards for those member fleets? Also is there anyway to get another option on development to remove that mine condition as the other 4 pieces I am all for doing, ecspecially the expanding the Auxiliary shipyard.
 
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The extra member world berths are not an unwelcome development. Nacelle assembly is key infrastructure and spreading it out is good. Starbases are generally good, and I for one consider the "Pacifist Spec" Constellation variant to be so delightful I'm going to want it even if we don't wind up accepting their proposal.

The Development stuff is also good except the mining colony issue. That's mostly problematic because we lose pp income over the long haul, although loss of special resources is an issue too.

@OneirosTheWriter, to be clear, are the "100pp earmarked" options here in addition to the listed consequences, or are they separate from the listed consequences? As in, do the Pacifists want 100pp in addition to us paying for a starbase, us paying for the Constellation refit, two member worlds getting new berths, and that new nacelle factory? Or do the Pacifists want 100pp in order to do the things outlined?
 
Just curious, does anyone know what the assembly facilities do for us? Is it a speed up of manufacturing time, or what?
 
No clue, but at the very least it would mean that we have redundancy in case of something unfortunate happening.
 
pbluekan said:
Just curious, does anyone know what the assembly facilities do for us? Is it a speed up of manufacturing time, or what?
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It is a piece of Key Critical Infrastructure.
Currently there a number of speciality factories that Starfleet only controls one of - I think Nacelles is one, Warp Cores is another. If anything should happen to our one and only factory, we will have to go begging to the member worlds to use their factories, and not all of them will have ones big enough to supply us, or be willing to sacrifice their own build schedules.
 
A new nacelle plant probably won't reduce the manufacturing time of any given ship, but having more facilities for doing any given thing is probably good. It's not clear where nacelle assembly takes place at the moment, possibly on site at the shipyards.
 
Assuming he was being mostly honest in that interview, Rogers' true failing was a simple lack of creativity. He couldn't come up with lateral solutions to the problems he was given, while Kahurangi could.
 
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Yes, those member world berths will be for their own fleets.

The Starbases at Leas Akaam and Ord Grind Duk are so that every hub point of the logistics network has a Starbase rather than just an outpost. Leas Akaam is the distribution point for spreading out into Apinae Sector, Ord Grind Duk down into Ferasa and beyond. The Starbase at New Seoul is because there is a Pacifist Councillor there who would like a little more protection if things go further pearshaped with the Licori.
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As in, do the Pacifists want 100pp in addition to us paying for a starbase, us paying for the Constellation refit, two member worlds getting new berths, and that new nacelle factory? Or do the Pacifists want 100pp in order to do the things outlined?
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The 100pp is the required cost to do the listed things.
 
Simon_Jester said:
@OneirosTheWriter, to be clear, are the "100pp earmarked" options here in addition to the listed consequences, or are they separate from the listed consequences? As in, do the Pacifists want 100pp in addition to us paying for a starbase, us paying for the Constellation refit, two member worlds getting new berths, and that new nacelle factory? Or do the Pacifists want 100pp in order to do the things outlined?
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Just curious, does anyone know what the assembly facilities do for us? Is it a speed up of manufacturing time, or what?
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Will wait on answers to these and vote in the morning.

I'm leaning towards either Retract Proposals or Pacifists.

lbmaian said:
What, is this supposed to be a cost?

This is a perfect refit for the Constellation. C3 S4 H2 L3 P3 D4, only takes 25br/25sr/1yr to refit. This is far better than the [+1 C,S,H,L,D, for 40br, 30sr, 1.5 Year (6 turns)] refit option we got at the snakepit.

We don't need a Constellation refit to make it into a light combat cruiser that competes with the Connie-B and Rennie role, and competes poorly at that. What we really want is a more event-focused garrison light cruiser - something better than the Centaur-A - that can help bridge the gap between now and Kepler mass production.

@OneirosTheWriter, can we get this as a refit option for the next snakepit, regardless of whether we reject the Pacifist proposal?
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I'm ok with that.
 
Void Stalker said:
Also is there anyway to get another option on development to remove that mine condition as the other 4 pieces I am all for doing, ecspecially the expanding the Auxiliary shipyard.
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OneirosTheWriter said:
Your efforts reaching out to the powerbrokers of the two factions leave you dealing with two Vulcans. Not ideal for making emotional appeals! Instead you get green-blooded take-it-or-leave-it offers.
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Bolding and coloring mine for emphasis.
 
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Given the current politics, doing the pacifist constellation refit, and a big infrastructure project in old federation space, even without a deal are a good sign that we respect the current government.
 
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