pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
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That wasn't part of Celos. That was a separate internal development vs expansionist political scuffle.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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Our first major fleet action involved the destruction of 3 sydraxian escorts and damage to the rest of their fleet in exchange for damage to some of our. Our ships from that action have been repaired and are back in action, they lost 3 permanently. It also allowed us to hit and destroy their outpost and set back their exploration and mining efforts.
Since then we have taken damage but no permanent loss of a ship so far.
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Also we only have 3 years left on the moratorium and so far it has only delayed the caldonians. The rest will only be delayed a year or two at most
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AKuz
Been Better
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The new member moratorium was a development issue -not a Pacifist one.
Katsuragi
The 1%
I mean, if having the biggest, baddest ship is something you're concerned with, I have a 10C 10L explorer floating around over in ship design. It doesn't even get military points thanks to high science! 
It's expensive as fuck in terms of resources and crew, and is largely an inefficient use of resources... But if Dakka is what you're after... (Alternatively there's an 11C ship I might be able to push into a 12C ship...that only has 4 shields. It's basically a giant gun...that also somehow avoids military points because of science.)
Note: The above is a joke. You don't want it.
In a more serious note;
Super looking forwards to the Amby vote.
It's expensive as fuck in terms of resources and crew, and is largely an inefficient use of resources... But if Dakka is what you're after... (Alternatively there's an 11C ship I might be able to push into a 12C ship...that only has 4 shields. It's basically a giant gun...that also somehow avoids military points because of science.)
Note: The above is a joke. You don't want it.
In a more serious note;
Super looking forwards to the Amby vote.
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What about captains of ships/admirals and flagships?
And here's a list of potential abilities.
Nash:
Compelled duel (when outnumbered):
Focus fire on one enemy ship, increased evasion and reduced shield burnthrough for all other enemy ships
Coordinated Crew (Elite):
Focus fire on one enemy ship for X rounds
+X Shield Regeneration chance, doubled when ship does not take any hits.
(NB: this could be passed on to other veteran/elite crews. Nash's fleet special would uprate all crews.)
Uhura:
Coordinated Strike:
Focus fire on one ship for X rounds with another ship.
T'Rinta:
SDB Special:
Duration: X rounds
+X Shield burnthrough
-X Evasion
X× damage to hull
T'Lorel:
T'Lorel Maneuver:
Duration: 1 round
+X Shield Burnthrough
-X Evasion
+X Hull Damage
+X Crew Damage Chance
Ainsworth:
Mobile Charge (Fleet Ability):
Duration: X rounds
Enemy fleet target priority nullified
+X Fleet Evasion
Eaton:
Known Space (Fleet):
+X Evasion for all ships
(NB: Couldn't think of anything else for the mapping mission reroll)
Mbeki:
(To be continued)
No, these are not balanced. We are the Federation.
Also, some of these will be hard to implement.
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- USA
From the snakepit:
Caldonians 500/500 - Ratification blocked due to ongoing Moratorium
Orions 439/500 + 18 = 457/500
Risa 404/500 + 16 = 420/500
Gaeni 436/500 + 12 = 448
Qloathi 357/500 + 38 = 395/500+15= 410
Seyek 312/500 + 12 = 324/500+15= 339
Kadeshi 249/500 + 16 = 265/500
Honiani 154/500 + 22 = 176/500
Yan-Ros 150/100 + 6 = 156/500
Annual roll is 2u10+21 so 1 to 41 average of 21. We have three annual rolls left so Gaeni and Orions are likely to hit. Risans would need a good roll or event. Qloathi would need a good roll or event as well. Seyek would need events and good rolls. we also are gaining +1 to diplo rolls this year and +2 next year from techs which will push the average up to 24.
Caldonians 500/500 - Ratification blocked due to ongoing Moratorium
Orions 439/500 + 18 = 457/500
Risa 404/500 + 16 = 420/500
Gaeni 436/500 + 12 = 448
Qloathi 357/500 + 38 = 395/500+15= 410
Seyek 312/500 + 12 = 324/500+15= 339
Kadeshi 249/500 + 16 = 265/500
Honiani 154/500 + 22 = 176/500
Yan-Ros 150/100 + 6 = 156/500
Annual roll is 2u10+21 so 1 to 41 average of 21. We have three annual rolls left so Gaeni and Orions are likely to hit. Risans would need a good roll or event. Qloathi would need a good roll or event as well. Seyek would need events and good rolls. we also are gaining +1 to diplo rolls this year and +2 next year from techs which will push the average up to 24.
pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
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More proposed hero captain combat abilites.
Samyr Kanil:
ECM Optimization:
+X Evasion based on Science.
Bonus doubled when shields below 20%.
Yeah, the joke is that whatever ship she's commanding JUST WON'T DIE. Note that she actually has something like this right now on the T'Mir, so it's actually canon that she (and her EWAR officer and helmsman) are just that good.
Samyr Kanil:
ECM Optimization:
+X Evasion based on Science.
Bonus doubled when shields below 20%.
Yeah, the joke is that whatever ship she's commanding JUST WON'T DIE. Note that she actually has something like this right now on the T'Mir, so it's actually canon that she (and her EWAR officer and helmsman) are just that good.
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pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
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If the QM wasn't a professional programmer, and hadn't automated the combat system, I'd agree. But he IS, so the complication value of giving recurring characters bonuses to existing parameters is low, and the special order functionality needs to be added anyway because it's included in revealed techs.
I was thinking much simpler than that. Look at the offensive doctrine drafts for examples.
:Rodgerswasright:
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Rogers2316
#MakeTheFederationGreatAgain
Seriously though if Rodgers was politically inclined he could probably make a decent run at a council seat for the Hawks, based upon his apparent foresight of the current situation.
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I'd almost agree, except for the part where he lied about funding something else in order to do it and kept it a secret from everyone. I can't remember if he just got fired or if he also got brought up on charges, but he absolutely should have been.
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@ combat boni - thoughts
for admirals: boni that could be achieved by giving directions during battle, positioning advantages etc. (no micromanaging the whole fleet)
for captains: more or less anything goes that applies to individual ships
Problem: Balancing. The combat engine, I mean. Because if you have one admiral, one explorer, a rennie and three mirandas, with a doctrine applied, and fight an enemy that also gets boni, you must design the system such that all these modifiers can interact without crashing.
And nearly no-one will understand the combat log.
for admirals: boni that could be achieved by giving directions during battle, positioning advantages etc. (no micromanaging the whole fleet)
for captains: more or less anything goes that applies to individual ships
Problem: Balancing. The combat engine, I mean. Because if you have one admiral, one explorer, a rennie and three mirandas, with a doctrine applied, and fight an enemy that also gets boni, you must design the system such that all these modifiers can interact without crashing.
And nearly no-one will understand the combat log.
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- Mid-Atlantic
And by "always" you mean "the last two times, we lost the coin toss?" You'd expect one-to-one odds to work out in our favor only about half the time, right? That means it's hardly unheard of to (narrowly) lose two fights in a row.
So far, in our one-on-one cruiser actions, we've exchanged one badly damaged ConnieBee for one lightly damaged Jaldun, one lightly damaged ConnieBee and one badly damaged Constellation for a lightly damaged Kalindrax and Hasque. No good results, but no particularly disastrous ones either, and in both cases the enemy attempts to raid our supply lines failed, which is the job our escorts are supposed to be doing!
Our last offensive fleet operation was a decisive success that blew up something like 15% of the Sydraxian navy, and forced them to retreat from their main base in the region. Whereas we lost no ships (albeit we took some serious crew casualties).
The reason we're taking a beating on our escort missions is in part because Ainsworth is committing the minimum necessary to protect our civilian ships, so as to free up the maximum possible for offensive operations intended to knock the enemy back and prevent them from pushing further forward. If she wanted she could double up on ships escorting convoys. Consequently, we'd probably never even fight the battles you're upset that we're losing... but we'd also face a growing enemy presence from the Sydraxians, one that might well eventually build up to overrun us.
Aside from the part where this isn't Stesk's fault, all those not-quite-affiliated member worlds are still growing their own fleets; in the event of a full-sized war it is very likely that we will be able to call on them for assistance. It's not like the resources not flowing into Starfleet's budget over the past few years have just been evaporating into thin air; they're still being used.
Rodgers' name is probably mud Ablett or one of his protégés (I suspect that Ainsworth was one) might be able to though.
He didn't get fired, but he was handed a resignation letter and asked to sign it.
The funding thing, is something I'm pretty sure we have done. Asked for an infusion of excelsior resources so we could build something else. The difference is that his project was a mess, and he had nothing to show for it.
Now however 16 years down the line he could possibly spin that as a needed program that was lead to failure by bureaucratic obstructionism, and a system unwilling to accept his vision that has now been proved to be true.
There are almost certainly gong to be Rodgerite officers in Starfleet who are somewhat convinced of this viewpoint.
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Well every time we asked for an infusion for an excelsior we had one on the build plan, we just needed more resources to build other ships though it could have been the resources freed up by the infusion that we used for the other ships
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Bah. Complexity is great.
Balancing is for other people
Those ideas aren't intended to be balanced... Yet.
Right now, they're more of a unbalanced tactical level quest What If.
Well, we also actually built many metric megatons of Excelsior's - far more than we used the cost infusion for. A bit delayed, or in advance, but we did get there.
Chaos Blade
Procrastinating Writer
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- Buenos Aires, Argentina
That depends heavily on how the war unfolds. do keep in mind the Licori have a track record with stars... we could end up with a very expensive victory... and that one is one of the good case scenarios.
Really, Really, hope the Licori don't try their hand at making a Buster Machine Nro. 3
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Hmm... [thinks about it]
When the system is fully computerized you can add almost arbitrary amounts of statistical complexity to it... but that doesn't mean you should.
I think Ainsworth may have been too junior to really be a protege of Admiral Rogers, although he may have viewed her as one of the most promising potential Explorer Corps candidates. If everything had gone according to his plans, Ainsworth might have been handed one of the three Explorer Corps missions in 2301 in place of Eaton, T'Lorel, or ka'Sharren. Alternatively she might have been pulled to command Ares.
At that level of authority, there isn't any difference between "fired" and "your boss asks you to resign."
The other difference is that there is literally zero evidence that Kahurangi or Sousa lied to the Council about what the infusion of resources was for. We didn't have one set of build plans to show the Council and a separate set of build plans that we actually carried out.
Honestly, assuming that all our omakes (with exceptions for obvious jokes) are canon, the big criticism of Admiral Rogers is that he pushed the Ares program instead of something like the Constitution-B modernization/rebuild project, which would have been far more economical and practical, especially since Rogers might have been able to get to the improperly mothballed Constitution-A hulls before they decayed into uselessness.
That would have filled more or less the same niche the Ares did (giving us a reasonably hefty cruiser, not as powerful as the Ares but still respectable). But it would have done so at a much lower cost and with far greater probability of being able to proceed with Council approval.
Bah. Complexity is great.
Balancing is for other people
Those ideas aren't intended to be balanced... Yet.
Right now, they're more of a unbalanced tactical level quest What If.
Well, we also actually built many metric megatons of Excelsior's - far more than we used the cost infusion for. A bit delayed, or in advance, but we did get there.
Yes and I'm sure Rodgers had a similar plan. Tick over Excelsiors whilst spamming his new super cruisers, If everything had worked he would have gotten away with it.
The problem was his design program was a mess, and a spending black hole.
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- Mid-Atlantic
The problem with Admiral Rogers as an admiral is that he didn't have the good judgment to recognize that his Ares project was a failure, and decided to try to reinforce and cover up that failure far past the point where civilian oversight would have told him to stop trying.
Kahurangi or Sousa either wouldn't have started the project, wouldn't have tried to rush the prototype into construction before the design was finalized, or would have abandoned the project as soon as it became clear that the desired tactical suite could never be fitted onto the intended hull without compromising other mission requirements.
Rogers would have done better to dance with the Connies that brung him into office. He couldn't have reworked them into something as hard-hitting as the Ares would have been, granted... But honestly, if I had to choose between the Ares and the Constitution-B I'd seriously consider taking the better balanced ConnieBees, given that the Ares would almost certainly have roughly 50% greater resource costs and significantly higher crew costs.