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I wonder if Zhang will end up converting to Lakhept.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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Typo here - that should be while Defiant is sent to GBZ
16 ships in the GBZ!
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Under this plan, the GBZ has every Constitution except for the Cheron in Ferasa, the Lexington on the ASTF, and the Hood in Sol. The only one of those it could potentially be swapped for is the ASTF, and I expect there would be a lot of push-back to taking away Eaton's Connie.
As for a pair of escorts... which ones?
Thanks, corrected.
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- somewhere
I think a diplomatic push on the Laio is not a priority. They are far away from the Cardassians so there's no time pressure, a diplomatic push only has something like a 35% chance of of making them an affiliate and they just need one more event to become an affiliate without push anyway. We have been getting a lot of events in that general area lately so we probably won't have to wait long. Requesting the Ulan Gao VII mining colony might actually have a similar chance of making them an affiliate as a push does, because that seems fairly likely to trigger an event with them (our Explorers sometimes escort colony ships establishing mining colonies outside our home sectors, or respond to problems there).
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- Patriarchova
This. If anyone, we should push the bug empire. Do not want the cardies snapping them up.
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- Central Standard Time
Centaur-A's in the GBZ isn't the worst. I'd rather have a pair of Centaurs than a Constellation, especially given the escort duties.
Thebigpieman
I've got this, I think.
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- United States
I'm not fond of the bug guys but yeah, the spoons don't need like minded species joining them.
Nervos Belli
Don't think this means you've won!
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- Murica
Can we even push the Ittek Ka? We don't know where any of their worlds are at the moment.
Well the Challorn is blooded, so it performs a bit better than a typical Constellation. But if you want to swap it out, it would be a one-for-one swap. You won't get two Centaur-As for it. I don't think I even have two Centaur-As in the same place, other that Amarkia.
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- Patriarchova
Ditto.
In he long run we may also prove a good influence on them, but for now we just need to keep the Spoonheads from conquering them.
They're listed on the relations list, so I assume so. Presumably they gave us some directions when they were demanding tribute.
Jenny
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- maryland
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Oh hey, Abby Taggart gets to work with the broship again! (If we accept this plan).
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- Central Standard Time
Well, we can shuffle a Miranda to free up a Centaur.
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Dice don't have memory, but Oneiros does, and only the basic framework of an event is rolled, Oneiros fills up the details with what makes sense narratively, which includes in what area the event happens and with which species diplomatic events happen. For example we have diplomatic events with Gaeni all over the place because they send their tech cruisers everywhere, diplomatic events rolled for the KBZ are always with the Caldonians, the one diplomatic event rolled for the RBZ was with the Kadeshi. More importantly EC events used to be mostly spinwards because that was where most of the Explorers were, but at the moment they are fairly spread out:
The Enterprise is mostly spinwards but can be all over the place, the Sarek has mostly been operating along the rimward border and has been hanging around Indoria for the last few quarters, the S'harien has been in the Ferasa sector a lot, the Courageous has been core/spinward of Rigel, and the Oddysey has been core/tailward of Rigel, and so is fairly likely to continue interacting with the Laio. Mbeki has +1 P and can reroll non-first contact diplomacy, so he has a pretty good chance of succeeding in the diplomacy component of any events there. The Courageous could potentially interact with them as well, and the S'harien and Atuin are (re-)launching from Sol and aren't all that far away from them right now either (though at least one of them is probably going to head rimwards over the next few quarters). Then there is sector events, diplomatic events rolled for the Rigel sector would be fairly likely to involve them and those for Sol could as well.
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- Mid-Atlantic
We're unlikely to get crew trickles from any of them, whereas a crew trickle from the Laio would be very much welcome right now...
We're already on the edge of breaking our crew supply pool due to the sheer ludicrous speed with which Sol's shipyards are turning out ships. Making Sol build ships faster would just make things incrementally worse.
Indorians: "As long as "Romulan" isn't some weird new word for "Cardassian" we don't care, and if it is, we approve you not fighting whoever the hell those guys are."
This. We may never want them as affiliates, and they may not want to BE affiliates, but we need to at least get relations with them high enough that a random event doesn't knock them to negative relations. That's what went wrong with the Sydraxians and got us into this massive mess with them in the first place.
That... is an extremely good reason to accept this plan.
AlphaDelta, not trying to be difficult but I wish you'd quit this "a Miranda" and "a Centaur". You can look up and down the list where it lists the Defense requirements and the ships. Tell me which Miranda and which Centaur from which sector. It's not actually obvious to me where you want the Challorn to go and why you think it would be better there, or alternately why you think a Centaur-A would be better in the GBZ.
EDIT: For the record, I continuously refine these plans based on thread suggestions so I'm willing, but I need specifics.
Nervos Belli
Don't think this means you've won!
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- Murica
We're unlikely to get crew trickles from any of them, whereas a crew trickle from the Laio would be very much welcome right now...
We're already on the edge of breaking our crew supply pool due to the sheer ludicrous speed with which Sol's shipyards are turning out ships. Making Sol build ships faster would just make things incrementally worse.
Indorians: "As long as "Romulan" isn't some weird new word for "Cardassian" we don't care, and if it is, we approve you not fighting whoever the hell those guys are."
This. We may never want them as affiliates, and they may not want to BE affiliates, but we need to at least get relations with them high enough that a random event doesn't knock them to negative relations. That's what went wrong with the Sydraxians and got us into this massive mess with them in the first place.
That... is an extremely good reason to accept this plan.
.1 crew is not as valuable to me as swaying pro-Cardassian Yrillian captains, denying the Sydraxians resources and getting closer to ending the war on our borders. I guess maybe one diplo push on the Laio would have more immediate results, but long term there are people I value getting relations up with more. Plus, Mbeki is still in the area so we may get events to push them to 100 without doing anything.
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- Mid-Atlantic
Well, at some point we presumably had a USS Miranda, but it presumably got blown up by Klingons. We presumably had a USS Constellation- likewise. And we presumably had a USS Centaur, but I'm preeeetty sure that's the one that got blown up at Kadesh.
While the crew trickle would certainly be good...
The fact that random events are likely to improve our relations with them more efficiently than a 20pp diplomatic push could is a much stronger reason not to do a diplomatic push on the Laio. I, for one, think it is a good and compelling reason not to.
I'm not sure what would happen, mechanically, in the event of war- would the balance of Yrillian assets that go to us versus the Ashalla Pact be determined by the relative balance of our relations with them? Maybe we should spend an intelligence report on "Balance of Yrillian allegiances between the Federation, the Cardassian bloc, and neutrality." Is the split more like 50/50 between us? Or more like 70/30 in their favor? Or more like 90/10 in their favor? Are half the Yrillian independents inclined to sit the war out, or would nearly all of them wind up taking a side?
No matter what the answers to those questions are, I agree that working on relations with the Yrillians and 'selling ourselves' as good potential allies and trading partners is very important. The Ashalla Pact is a lot more dangerous to us if they have the preponderance of the Yrillians on their side, and conversely is much less dangerous to us if we have them on our side.
Here's my draft Sousa deal for the Snakepit, unless something big shows up this quarter.
[ ][FACTION] Approach the Expansionists. We have two problems. One is pro-Cardassian leanings among the Yrillians that would likely have them siding with the Sydraxians in the event of a general war, and the other is Starfleet's current transport crunch. Why not solve one problem with another? Hire some Yrillain freighters and cargo ships for a few years until the shipping crunch is eased, and leverage it to increase pro-Federation sentiment among the Yrillians.
[ ][FACTION] Approach the Expansionists. We have two problems. One is pro-Cardassian leanings among the Yrillians that would likely have them siding with the Sydraxians in the event of a general war, and the other is Starfleet's current transport crunch. Why not solve one problem with another? Hire some Yrillain freighters and cargo ships for a few years until the shipping crunch is eased, and leverage it to increase pro-Federation sentiment among the Yrillians.
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- USA
Right now I think we are in the 2 to 3 pushes range, one on the Yrillians, one on the bugs and one on the Laio. With the Laio if we get a 25 or better it would then have three more pushes and they flank the Rigellans and Licori so getting them to Affiliate level has use beyond the additional crew.
Nervos Belli
Don't think this means you've won!
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- Murica
It's hard to know exactly how important relations with the Yrillians are. It comes down to the question of whether diplomatic relations reflect the species opinion of us, the government's opinion of us, or some combination. One thing which makes me think it's not just about government is that the Cardassian coup on Bajor didn't lower our relations with the Bajorans. Even though the new government is presumably less Federation friendly, our relations with the species remained stable.
Another question is how many factions there are currently. We've been assuming the war will be between pro-Cardassian and pro-Federation blocs, but that's not a guarantee. What the likely sides are and their numbers is definitely worth an intel report.
