Nervos Belli
Don't think this means you've won!
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- Murica
Yay new species! And they don't seem completely insane and/or a Cardassian puppet. Even better! If we had the pp to spare I'd love to push them to affiliate.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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- United States
so maybe i missed the post detailing some changes to the turn order, but what happened to the Master of Orion posts?
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Gardener of Human Happiness
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- Behind You
High Agression indeed. Not necessarily bad though. They might be more willing to negotiate if we've crushed them. Or less.
The Department of Temporal Investigations was here!
Yay, more pp!
Haha, take that Syndicate scum!
Yay, new species! Deciding who to diplopush next Snakepit got alot harder now.
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- Patriarchova
One of these days we will make first contact with a species that ISN'T in the middle of a political shitstorm.
I'm surprised Rosalee thinks fluffy puffy-equivalent monsters are anything to worry about. Wasn't she the one who discovered the giant psionic death starfish?
I'm surprised Rosalee thinks fluffy puffy-equivalent monsters are anything to worry about. Wasn't she the one who discovered the giant psionic death starfish?
Nervos Belli
Don't think this means you've won!
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- Murica
Sure it was extremely threatening. But it also was limited in its scope, and had obvious win and lose conditions. It was a matter of keeping the threat contained long enough for the scientists to do their jobs. The SOE following war with the Cardassians would cover a much larger area of space, and have more possible failures and solutions. We didn't have to worry about the biophage diplomancing away our allies, for example. And likewise, we couldn't use diplomacy to weaken it. Science would be less of a instant win condition than a series of advantages over the Cardassians to leverage.
Nervos Belli
Don't think this means you've won!
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- Murica
Switched to quarterly because the Syndicate is running out of resources and plans.
pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
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Ugh, these missed science events are a very good reason for Oberths EVERYWHERE if we can get the crew for that.
Or to beeline Mutual Support because if my understanding of the mechanics is right a Excelsior at a -2 response modifier is a better responder than anything else with no penalties save OG Connies responding to presence events.
Edit: Wrong Forward Defense tech.
Or to beeline Mutual Support because if my understanding of the mechanics is right a Excelsior at a -2 response modifier is a better responder than anything else with no penalties save OG Connies responding to presence events.
Edit: Wrong Forward Defense tech.
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Boy, the quest isn't a television show but sometimes you can really see the television DNA of Star Trek in it. That's not a bad thing at all, just very Star Trek.
Luring out ships for a decisive battle to "remove that element from the field"? Well shit, we picked the aggressive commander and we got what we asked for. We now know Ainsworth is willing to fight. The question is, can she win?
Mind you, it's not a bad plan. When dealing with at least two hostile forces allied to each other (the Cardassians and the Sydraxians), trying to defeat at least one group before they can link up is only good sense. Just what I would expect from a high aggression commander.
A Connie-B passed a Presence test! Who needs a 4P, eh Renaissance?
They seem one diplo-push away from affiliate status.
Hmmm, will Collie II be Starfleet mining colonies or will the resources go elsewhere?
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
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Would you rather have a weaker GBZ force, or ASTF? In the current political climate in our area of space, we can't afford to spread ourselves out like that at the moment. Once the Syndicate has been beaten into the ground... well that's a whole other story.
Night
Widow Null
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- Hoff
Rogers is a very driven man who got frustrated with the fact this isn't an Empire quest and didn't like the deployment spreadsheets or his inability to fully command the resources at his disposal without political interference, convinced he was smarter and understood the situation better than his political masters and they were preventing him from taking action needed to address it. (See also: Douglas MacArthur, and nobody who knew MacArthur personally and wasn't a devotee would have said he was not an autocrat.) Seruk's view of things is extreme, he's a Vulcan, they tend to be a bit black and white on things, but he's not really wrong. The precautions taken with Rodgers were not particularly to deal with the man himself, but the fact that he exerted an unusual amount of influence and a number of officers saw him in an almost messianic light; they might act rashly when he was relieved. Also because this was the first time anyone had ever tried to relieve the Commander of Starfleet and they were in uncharted territory with no idea what would happen. People do not typically make you fire them at this level, they recognize the jig is up and resign when asked to. The President did request Rodgers' resignation; he refused; this caused everyone to go into crisis mode and the President reached out to a group of officers like Harriman to carry out Rodgers' relief.
As for the quotes, it's based on my own experiences with other quests where I often find myself wanting to skip the omakes while trying to catch up, and trying to make it easier to do so in Reader Mode. I know not everyone wants to read my stuff. This is the closest I can get to "opt-in" on it.
(Incidentally my take is that Rodgers probably never would have gotten around to actually fighting the Romulans, but would have been one of the proximate causes of the Tomed Incident by inflaming Romulan paranoia and that would have ended his career even if everything else didn't.)
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pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
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Also, McAdams just joined the club of Captains who have personally scienced someone to death.
It looked to me like she had a tricorder app to scan for shield vulnerabilities and automatically recalibrate a phaser to hit them.
It looked to me like she had a tricorder app to scan for shield vulnerabilities and automatically recalibrate a phaser to hit them.
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- Patriarchova
It is a good plan. Two possible failure modes, though:
1. The Sydraxians avoid a direct confrontation and keep the cat-and-mouse game going, keeping our fleet divided while the Cardassians gain ground.
2. The Sydraxians hire a bunch of Yrillian mercenaries (or some other ally coreward of their space that we don't know about) and surprise Rivers with a bigger force than expected.
I have confidence in our fleet, but these are risks to consider.
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Some of it may be political. You have to demonstrate to the public that all of this trouble is worthwhile. Putting down a mining colony says we've put up a claim and we're staying.
Right now I want to see how the GBZ actually does and what kind of comabt strength our opponents poured into the area. I don't want to weaken the GBZ force, but it may not be necessary to put any more ships into it next year.
My view is that Rogers did resign when asked and there was no coup panic.
EDIT: I think you are way overblowing the Rogers administration as some kind of crisis. He argued too much with the Council and they let him go. It's not like they went far to find a replacement. They brought in a Vice Admiral who had been on sabbatical.
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Can I just comment on how Awesome Rosalee is? Walking through a hallway, and whistling while an assassin with a personal shield follows.
Well, this is why she had the personal combat bonus.
And a military base wouldn't send the same message? It just seems to invite problems/complications in my eyes, especially if the colony or the transports related to it should come under attack. Do we really want to encourage civilian activity in what is essentially a free for all warzone?
Night
Widow Null
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- Hoff
They brought in a Vice Admiral who was as distant from the man's orbit as they could get. They really didn't like him. He did something that rendered his immediate subordinates, the serving admirals who were actually familiar with everything going on in Starfleet, politically radioactive. That more or less demands a crisis that got mishandled. We know Excalibur being lost started the slide, not ended it, so that's not it. Something happened.
pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
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I'm fairly sure the Ares-class debacle is canon.
We could maybe get away with designing a pure combat cruiser, but we sure as hell couldn't get away with lying our ass off to the Council about the project.
We could maybe get away with designing a pure combat cruiser, but we sure as hell couldn't get away with lying our ass off to the Council about the project.
Thors_Alumni
Proud member of Thors Class VII from Liberl
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- Liberl Zemuria.
What happened to the Exalibur?
AKuz
Been Better
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- A Rising Tide of Horrors
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- She/Her
They got Lovecrafted.
A version of "The Temple" specifically IIRC (I may have misremembered the name). The one with the German sub anyway.
You mean the same admirals we had to convince the Federation to allow us to replace one after another? If those guys ad been as radioactive as you make them out replacing them should have cost us far less pp (at least in my opinion). Rather than not liking him it seemed to me like the liked him a bit too much...
Plus if they really wanted to bring in an outsider they could have easily gone to the "local" navies instead of picking a Vice Admiral (which even on sabbatical is not that far removed from power as we have seen multiple times in this quest)
They way I have imagined Admiral Rogers is similar to Briefvoice. His tenure ended due to a conflict of personality and policy with the council.
He was essentially a product of the long cold war between the Federation and the Klingons throughout the second half of the 23rd century, and probably served as a junior officer during the four years war with the Klingons, where he was likely highly decorated for service. With basically the entirety of his Starfleet career defined by the framework of conflict it became a central pillar of his belief, and later policy that Starfleet's primary role is the defence of the Federation.
He saw first hand early in his career the consequences of not being prepared for conflcit with a peer power, and the devestation that the Klingons wrought in their attack on the Federation, before sufficient forces could be built up to secure an armstice. He very much believed in the proverb "Si vis pacem, para bellum."
As such when he finally gained the rains of starfleet following lasting peace with the Klingons, Admiral Rogers felt certain that the peace would not last forever, and that time Khitomer had bought them should be gainfully employed in preparing Starfleet to face the next challenge, whether it be renewed Romulan aggression, or a new power yet undiscovered. This clashed heavily with public opinion, and the council's desire to indulge in a peace dividend, and return to the primary mission of exploration. I think that despite this it is likely he at least initially started with quite a bit of politcal support, and was able to start programs such as Miranda construction and the Ares design project.
However his time in office was plagued by disaster. The Excalibur was lost on a mission to distribute surveillance platforms on the Romulan corewards flank, he face repeated budgetary and deployment arguments with an increasingly Expansionist and Pacifist dominated council. Critical faults were found in the Constitution class that then formed the backbone of Starfleet, and the heart of the explorer corps, forcing them to be retired, despite some being only twenty years old.
Then the Ares project, his massive new generation cruiser program began to hit development problems, it was beginning to run far over budget, and the technology to build it was not yet ready. Under pressure from the council to justify costs, he gambled and ordered a prototype in production early. Delay and disaster followed, and by 2300
when a council investigation into the program revealed that far from the capable light explorer they had been promised, much of the new generation science capability had been dropped from the design to preserve combat capability. Infuriated the council called Rogers to account, the Admiral stuck to his guns and argued that despite problems the program could be bought to fruition. The council were not impressed, and whilst one incident could have been forgiven, they now formed a pattern. They basically gave Rogers the option of retiring or being formally removed from his position.
He realized that the toxic atmosphere that developed between him and the council meant that he could go no further and took retirement.
Ironically around about now there are likely more than a few mid-level officers who came up during Rogers term who are beginning to think he might have been right. There was a new threat, and Starfleet had required a new capable cruiser, and was forced to scramble to develop one all the whilst under threat of war.
It was the second Excelsior built after the lead ship herself, and was lost to unknown causes corewards of Romulan space. The Romulans claimed that they had no idea what happened, Admiral Rogers didn't really believe them, and his militarism increased in response. The Incident reduced the image of his competence, and becasue Excalibur was on a covert mission to deploy surveillance platforms at the time, soured his relations with the council, some of whom blamed Rogers for the loss.
It featured in this omake that I wrote;
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.c...a-starfleet-quest.32005/page-792#post-7466037
He was essentially a product of the long cold war between the Federation and the Klingons throughout the second half of the 23rd century, and probably served as a junior officer during the four years war with the Klingons, where he was likely highly decorated for service. With basically the entirety of his Starfleet career defined by the framework of conflict it became a central pillar of his belief, and later policy that Starfleet's primary role is the defence of the Federation.
He saw first hand early in his career the consequences of not being prepared for conflcit with a peer power, and the devestation that the Klingons wrought in their attack on the Federation, before sufficient forces could be built up to secure an armstice. He very much believed in the proverb "Si vis pacem, para bellum."
As such when he finally gained the rains of starfleet following lasting peace with the Klingons, Admiral Rogers felt certain that the peace would not last forever, and that time Khitomer had bought them should be gainfully employed in preparing Starfleet to face the next challenge, whether it be renewed Romulan aggression, or a new power yet undiscovered. This clashed heavily with public opinion, and the council's desire to indulge in a peace dividend, and return to the primary mission of exploration. I think that despite this it is likely he at least initially started with quite a bit of politcal support, and was able to start programs such as Miranda construction and the Ares design project.
However his time in office was plagued by disaster. The Excalibur was lost on a mission to distribute surveillance platforms on the Romulan corewards flank, he face repeated budgetary and deployment arguments with an increasingly Expansionist and Pacifist dominated council. Critical faults were found in the Constitution class that then formed the backbone of Starfleet, and the heart of the explorer corps, forcing them to be retired, despite some being only twenty years old.
Then the Ares project, his massive new generation cruiser program began to hit development problems, it was beginning to run far over budget, and the technology to build it was not yet ready. Under pressure from the council to justify costs, he gambled and ordered a prototype in production early. Delay and disaster followed, and by 2300
when a council investigation into the program revealed that far from the capable light explorer they had been promised, much of the new generation science capability had been dropped from the design to preserve combat capability. Infuriated the council called Rogers to account, the Admiral stuck to his guns and argued that despite problems the program could be bought to fruition. The council were not impressed, and whilst one incident could have been forgiven, they now formed a pattern. They basically gave Rogers the option of retiring or being formally removed from his position.
He realized that the toxic atmosphere that developed between him and the council meant that he could go no further and took retirement.
Ironically around about now there are likely more than a few mid-level officers who came up during Rogers term who are beginning to think he might have been right. There was a new threat, and Starfleet had required a new capable cruiser, and was forced to scramble to develop one all the whilst under threat of war.
It was the second Excelsior built after the lead ship herself, and was lost to unknown causes corewards of Romulan space. The Romulans claimed that they had no idea what happened, Admiral Rogers didn't really believe them, and his militarism increased in response. The Incident reduced the image of his competence, and becasue Excalibur was on a covert mission to deploy surveillance platforms at the time, soured his relations with the council, some of whom blamed Rogers for the loss.
It featured in this omake that I wrote;
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.c...a-starfleet-quest.32005/page-792#post-7466037
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