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Simon_Jester said:
The flip side of that is that this also represents about a quarter of our navy, not counting member world fleets we can't readily tap into for this kind of operation. It's hard to say if an equitable casualty ratio benefits us or them, too, because their navy lends itself a bit more readily to mass production of ship types than ours.
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True. I suppose the real question is which of us can more easily afford to deploy ships to the Gabriel Expanse? On one hand the Federation has defense minimums we need to keep up. On the other hand the Union needs to keep enough ships around it's clients to prevent any ideas of rebellion, secure it's borders against any other neighbors it's pissed off, and IIRC they use navy ships as transports so those can only be deployed for short engagements less the Cardassians' already fragile logistics fall apart completely.
 
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True. I suppose the real question is which of us can more easily afford to deploy ships to the Gabriel Expanse? On one hand the Federation has defense minimums we need to keep up. On the other hand the Union needs to keep enough ships around it's clients to prevent any ideas of rebellion, secure it's borders against any other neighbors it's pissed off, and IIRC they use navy ships as transports so those can only be deployed for short engagements less the Cardassians' already fragile logistics fall apart completely.
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Don't forget there's also the explorer corps. The Union has no idea when and where one of them will show up and suddenly make things go horribly wrong for them.
 
Also we should be getting Apiata ships coming in to establish colonies of their own and anything the Amarkia can spare, which will include some of Nash's task force once she finishes up the syndicate space forces.

And for people voting Alejandro Suarez are you fine with reserving one of our Intel reports each year for the GBZ?
 
Marking the entire area with stripes doesn't look particularly great and makes it hard to see anything... I guess I'll just draw a box around it unless someone else has a better idea.

Using a slightly more yellowish orange than the Sydraxians previously had for Cardassian clients.

If stations are now a thing and separate from outposts I guess I need a new symbol for them. I suppose Delzarr, Aranyak, Moskar and Lydantic are all minor colonies and Collie, 67 Gabriel, Deva and Legei all stations? Sydraxian and Dylrian borders should probably also be tweaked so Moskar and Lydantic are inside of them.
 
[X][FLEET] Rear Admiral Rachel Ainsworth

We put in the force and now it's time to push hard.

[X][TF1] Commodore Jessica Rivers

I want high Nerve here, and she's exactly equal to ch'Zelil, except with better diplomacy

[X][TF2] Commodore Michel Thuir

These choices are mostly identical, so it's just a matter of if you want high or low aggression, and I think high. And screw Revak.

[X][AUX] Commodore Alejandro Suarez - Expanded Field Repair capacity

Look, as nice as it would be to have that free Intel Report, our berths are packed tight for the next few years and our shipyards are far away. Being able to repair ships in the field is a critical ability and I value it highly.
 
I have not seen anyone mention the possibility of first contacts within the zone as part of their planning. We have not explored the whole thing, and the RBZ was surprisingly occupied. I will not be surprised if we run into at least one case of convince the planet we are better than the Klingons, er I mean, Cardassians. It is a Trek Trope.
 
[X][FLEET] Rear Admiral Rachel Ainsworth

I can understand the rationale behind Harriman, but I think Rachel's high aggression and moderate nerves will serve us better than moderate aggression and nerve. Harriman has better diplomacy, but it's still average, which I think doesn't outweight Rachel's benefits. It's a bit of a leap of faith though, I admit.

[X][TF1] Commodore Jessica Rivers

No argument there. Rivers sounds like a solid, all-round commander that could fit into any force and remain highly competent. She's not as aggressive as Ainsworth, but I think that's a good thing; and she has higher nerve and better diplomacy stat. I think the two could work nicely together; at least, I see a strong basis for a sucessfull partnership.

[X][TF2] Commodore Constance Lecras
Escort commands tend to be largely thankless but still critical; I think Lecras' high rule stat and good nerves give her better disposition towards it. Unlike the other two posts, I don't think escort commander should be too aggressive; their job isn't to fight per se, it's to get people and things home safely.

[X][TF2] Commodore Revak

Iron Wolf has convinced me.

...well, joking aside, there actually isn't that much difference between Lecras and Revak, so I'm fine with this either way.

[X][AUX] Commodore Alejandro Suarez - Expanded Field Repair capacity

I was quite torn on this one; I think Charlotte would make better addition to the team, but in our current circumstances Expanded Field Repair is too good to pass up, and he good nerves at least.
 
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No. of Votes: 2
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Task: AUX

[X][AUX] Commodore Alejandro Suarez - Expanded Field Repair capacity
No. of Votes: 10
lbmaian
aeqnai
Alastor Mobius Toth
Briefvoice
Joshrand1982
Jrin
Night
NullVoid
Simon_Jester
UberJJK

[X][AUX] Commodore Alejandro Suarez
No. of Votes: 7
Kaze
Ato
Blackshard
Chaos Blade
Derek58
JesseJ
Muer'ci

[X][AUX] Commodore Charlotte O'Dea - 1 Free GBZ Intel Report
No. of Votes: 5
Happerry
Aeondrac
aledeth
Erandil
Void Stalker

[X][AUX] Captain Maeth th'Irnyar - 10% Discount off required Logistics level
No. of Votes: 2
Artemis1992
Narutosramen

[X][AUX] Captain Maeth th'Irnyar
No. of Votes: 2
NHO
Japanime


Task: FLEET

[X][FLEET] Rear Admiral Rachel Ainsworth
No. of Votes: 18
lbmaian
aeqnai
Alastor Mobius Toth
Artemis1992
Ato
Blackshard
Briefvoice
Chaos Blade
Derek58
JesseJ
Joshrand1982
Jrin
Narutosramen
NullVoid
Random Member
remulian
Simon_Jester
UberJJK

[X][FLEET] Rear Admiral John Harriman
No. of Votes: 8
Iron Wolf
Erandil
Japanime
Kaze
Muer'ci
NHO
Night
Void Stalker

[X][FLEET] Rear Admiral Waafrinch Iorin Skef
No. of Votes: 3
Happerry
Aeondrac
aledeth


Task: TF1

[X][TF1] Commodore Jessica Rivers
No. of Votes: 21
Happerry
Aeondrac
aeqnai
Alastor Mobius Toth
aledeth
Artemis1992
Ato
Briefvoice
Chaos Blade
Derek58
Iron Wolf
Japanime
JesseJ
Joshrand1982
Jrin
Muer'ci
NHO
Night
Simon_Jester
UberJJK
Void Stalker

[X][TF1] Commodore Thraan th'Marlaas
No. of Votes: 5
lbmaian
Blackshard
Erandil
Narutosramen
NullVoid

[X][TF1] Commodore Michel Thuir
No. of Votes: 1
Kaze


Task: TF2

[X][TF2] Commodore Revak
No. of Votes: 12
Happerry
Aeondrac
aledeth
Ato
Iron Wolf
JesseJ
Joshrand1982
Jrin
lbmaian
Narutosramen
NHO
Void Stalker

[X][TF2] Commodore Michel Thuir
No. of Votes: 7
Artemis1992
Blackshard
Briefvoice
Chaos Blade
Derek58
Japanime
UberJJK

[X][TF2] Commodore Constance Lecras
No. of Votes: 6
Simon_Jester
aeqnai
Alastor Mobius Toth
Erandil
Night
NullVoid

[X][TF2] Commodore Jessica Rivers
No. of Votes: 1
Kaze

[X][TF2] Commodore Commodore Revak
No. of Votes: 1
Muer'ci

Total No. of Voters: 31
 
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I hope we can send in (at least parts of) the EC into the Gabriel Expanse. Lots of space to map and discover and if something happens then we have a bunch of experienced Excelsiors ready to jump in.
 
Tf2 is for escorting ships, high aggressiveness could cause pursuit of Raiders leaving their charges vulnerable.

One example of that was during ww2 us fighter pilots would often chase German fighters leaving the bombers they were escorting vulnerable to a second wave.

Also Thuir has the potential to cause problems with the Sydraxians personally he would be better deployed out to Rigel, the RBZ or KBZ
 
[X][FLEET] Rear Admiral John Harriman
[X][TF1] Commodore Thraan th'Marlaas
[X][TF2] Commodore Revak
[X][AUX] Captain Maeth th'Irnya
 
Void Stalker said:
Tf2 is for escorting ships, high aggressiveness could cause pursuit of Raiders leaving their charges vulnerable.

One example of that was during ww2 us fighter pilots would often chase German fighters leaving the bombers they were escorting vulnerable to a second wave.

Also Thuir has the potential to cause problems with the Sydraxians personally he would be better deployed out to Rigel, the RBZ or KBZ
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My counter-argument is, fuck Revak, and I'm sick of not being able to use Thuir anywhere we think there might be a Sydraxian. How will he ever learn to live with them and they him if he and they are never given a chance to confront each other? It's like not sending Kirk anywhere near where there's a Klingon. I want to shove him in their faces and force them to deal with him and make them learn to respect him,
 
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[x][FLEET] Rear Admiral Rachel Ainsworth
This is Ainsworth's THING. She's the war commander, this is a war zone.
[x][TF1] Commodore Michel Thuir
Thuir is basically perfect here. Statline's just right, and baiting the Sydraxians into focusing on his capital ship fleetball with EC support is good.
[x][TF2] Commodore Revak
Looks about right.
[x][AUX] Commodore Charlotte O'Dea - 1 Free GBZ Intel Report
We don't HAVE GBZ field repair capabilities yet.
 
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My counter-argument is, fuck Revak, and I'm sick of not being able to use Thuir anywhere we think there might be a Sydraxian. How will he ever learn to live with them and they him if he and they are never given a chance to confront each other? It's like not sending Kirk anywhere near where there's a Klingon. I want to shove him in their faces and force them to deal with him and make them learn to respect him,
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Except high aggression is not what we want for those charged with escorting ships, we want them to keep to their charges not chase Raiders and potentially leave their charges vulnerable. And we are making progress with the Sydraxians why would you want to risk that, and really we have most of the federation available for Thuir, including the anti syndicate task force.

I would really only object to him being on the SBZ and GBZ right now. If we can prove that it was sabotage that harmed their holy site and not us then that changes as then I would want him their to help the healing process
 
Hm, I don't know about discounting diplomacy entirely. The Sydraxians, yes, but the Dylaarians we have decent starting relations with and I think they could be turned to our side, which would be quite the coup.
 
[X][FLEET] Rear Admiral Rachel Ainsworth

[X][TF1] Commodore Jessica Rivers

[X][TF2] Commodore Michel Thuir

[X][AUX] Commodore Alejandro Suarez - Expanded Field Repair capacity
 
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[X][TF2] Commodore Constance Lecras
[X][AUX] Commodore Alejandro Suarez - Expanded Field Repair capacity
 
[X][FLEET] Rear Admiral Rachael Ainsworth
[X][TF1] Commodore Jessica Rivers
[X][TF2] Commodore Revak
[X][AUX] Commodore Suarez
 
[X][FLEET] Rear Admiral Rachel Ainsworth
[X][TF1] Commodore Jessica Rivers
[X][TF2] Commodore Michel Thuir
[X][AUX] Captain Maeth th'Irnyar - 10% Discount off required Logistics level

[JK] Rear Admiral Seruk

So very tempting.
 
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