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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)

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aeqnai said:
I note the composition of the UFP side of the committee.

I'm betting the Pacifists got blocked off yet again with this one. So much for that plurality of theirs.
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No one can deny the Amarki a seat, which leaves only two openings. I strongly suspect that the Amarki delegation (which is more or less unanimous with the Hawk Party) were also adamant about not putting anyone on the committee who was not committed to prosecuting the fight against the Syndicate as forcefully as required. That is likely to rule out a lot of the pacifists.
 
aeqnai said:
I'm betting the Pacifists got blocked off yet again with this one. So much for that plurality of theirs.
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You know it's funny, but this is probably the part of Federation politics that the Romulans understand the most. They have a Senate after all, and I'm sure they understand how being the strongest faction sometimes means that everyone else has a motivation to unite to overrule you.
 
I see we've acquired the services of noted ambassador Señora Dipporah Lohmat.
 
Neither the Amarki nor the Orions have any Norse myth in their culture, you realize?
 
aeqnai said:
Neither the Amarki nor the Orions have any Norse myth in their culture, you realize?
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They might possibly have something comparable, but I'm not sure "beings who transport those slain on the field of battle to the heroic afterlife" is really the message you want to send here. The idea is to make the Syndicate the ones to die, and they sure as hell aren't being sent to Valhalla-equivalent.
 
Briefvoice said:
They might possibly have something comparable, but I'm not sure "beings who transport those slain on the field of battle to the heroic afterlife" is really the message you want to send here. The idea is to make the Syndicate the ones to die, and they sure as hell aren't being sent to Valhalla-equivalent.
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Yes they are. Specifically, they get an afterlife of being target dummies for live-fire practice.

Syndicate scumbag's afterlife: Get shot with phaser/disrupter/plasma gun/conventional gun. Heal. Repeat. Forever.
 
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What do we call the boy Amarki in the gendarme units?

Amazonettes?

[To be fair, this probably accurately reflects the attitude of many of the Aerocommandos themselves]
 
AKuz said:
As far as I know Oneiros is operating from the outlines that @Iron Wolf and I developed based on ideas from @Amorous Intent .(Though her ideas also leaves the Old Empire with more big scale orbitals along the lines of Gundam sides). The Syndicate starting as like space.... space-x and then the Empress of Hypercorps is her idea too.

She drew it up mostly because she wanted a background for her Orion character that didn't have to rely on the sketchy details of canon or the ludicrously sexist/Misogynist/racists/bigoted picture that forms from the EU stuff.

So IIRC I think she curated what was left that wasn't offensive and then added the cyberpunk angle because that was cool and a "hat" no one in Trek uses.

Edit: this is also around the time @Iron Wolf went mad trying to figure out the Orion homeworld too. SHOW THEM THE CORKBOARD.
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@Amorous Intent
@Iron Wolf
@OneirosTheWriter

So where did you guys draw your ideas for the Orions?

It's an interesting case of convergent evolution.

I'm tempted to try my hand at writing a pre-Orion Empire omake. One of the things I really liked about the Orions in FASA Trek was they were an example of why the Prime Directive is as much a thing to protect the advanced races interfering with the primitives.

Simon_Jester said:
I freely acknowledge that the FASA material (which, yes, I am sadly unfamiliar with) may be in some way ancestral to the version of the Orions we have in To Boldly Go. But given that there are very clear differences between the Orions we have and the Orions FASA has, I'd rather discuss the Orions we have on their own terms, without reference to FASA, if said references can be avoided.
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Keep in mind, this quest produces more material than I have time to read, so I don't follow alot of the chat or read much of the omakes.

Which is why I posted to ask what the canon in this quest was and warn people of just how deeply rooted in Orion culture the Syndicate could be depending on what the canon is. (When I first raised the issue, I don't know if TBG really had any canon on the Orions.)

No-one answered my questions for, um, most of the Master of Orion arc. So if you want to discuss the Orions of TBG, could you maybe discuss them in an accessible way and remember that some of the participants aren't able to participate as deeply as you in the quest?

fasquardon
 
[X][NAME] Aeroknights

How about the Special High Intensity Taskforce for Anti-Syndicate Solutions? We could put Linderly in charge of it and insist he use the acronym at all times.

Who, me? Hold a grudge? Nah.
 
fasquardon said:
Which is why I posted to ask what the canon in this quest was and warn people of just how deeply rooted in Orion culture the Syndicate could be depending on what the canon is. (When I first raised the issue, I don't know if TBG really had any canon on the Orions.)
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I believe the answer is that this is, er, a matter of canon doubt and uncertainty. No one in-universe really knew how deeply-rooted the Syndicate was in Orion society until we started trying to remove them. The Syndicate claims all sorts of things about its history and how deeply rooted its support is, but after all it's a secretive organization. No one really knew going in how much of what it claimed was self-serving lies.

Even the Orions themselves only had a vague idea. How do you even measure something like that?
 
JesseJ said:
How about the Special High Intensity Taskforce for Anti-Syndicate Solutions? We could put Linderly in charge of it and insist he use the acronym at all times.

Who, me? Hold a grudge? Nah.
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I'm pretty sure we can get our revenge on him just by publicizing the Cardassians' sending the equivalent of the Zimmermann Telegram to the Orion Union's opposition party, as per Sousa's advice to the president.

He will cry sweet tears of black, censor-bar colored ink.
 
Briefvoice said:
I believe the answer is that this is, er, a matter of canon doubt and uncertainty. No one in-universe really knew how deeply-rooted the Syndicate was in Orion society until we started trying to remove them. The Syndicate claims all sorts of things about its history and how deeply rooted its support is, but after all it's a secretive organization. No one really knew going in how much of what it claimed was self-serving lies.

Even the Orions themselves only had a vague idea. How do you even measure something like that?
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That is at least more of an idea than I had before.

(And I wasn't asking for something measurable, just an outline of what the reality of the quest world as known by Starfleet was.)

fasquardon
 
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