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SuperSonicSound said:
Then how do they do transfer of bulk resources to things like the Shipyards if BR and SR colonies don't have large scale freighters to move the ores/resources?
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Even Bulk Resources isn't exactly like hauling iron, carbon, or something else plentiful.

There is nowhere near enough interstellar-grade bulk cargo to transport crude iron or the like in meaningful values.

But each freighter has 10pt of bulk cargo space, which is 50kt per point, for half-a-million ton of duranium/tritanium, other rare structural metals. And each Cargo ship has space for 8pt of small cargo, or 40sr.

So a single trip from each is a Connie-B load. But, being able to manage half-a-million ton of ore over a month (one way for most of the logistics routes), for 3-6 million per year (assuming no downtime), isn't exactly going to cut it. Between the iron ore mines at Mt Whaleback and Port Headland, BHP hauls about 60m ton of iron ore per year. I can see that working on intra-stellar levels, but not inter-stellar levels. Warp Cores just require way too much exotic material for that, and are too individually dangerous.

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I wonder if there are any really big passenger liners included in that number, or if we would have to let Cunard Lines have a couple of years with one of our big berths before we see any Starship Titanic.
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Yes, actually, a bit over a dozen.

Again, intra-system it's less like cruise liners, and more like airliners, as people might have seen from the second of the Starship assembly posts.
 
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Simon_Jester said:
Well, the Augments would make a big difference (especially if that was a global phenomenon and not just one group of supergeniuses appearing in one place). Time travel events might help it too. On the other hand, the behavior of Zefram Cochrane during First Contact also supports the theory that humans just made it to warp drive relatively fast because we're the "hold my beer" species. :D

EDIT: As in, once the inspiration was there, Cochrane just up and did it, without even a very clear plan for what he was hoping to accomplish by doing so given what a comparative shoestring he was working on. Most other species we've seen on the verge of warp travel had it be part of some big project with a grand vision and heavy government backing. Cochrane did it in a cave, with a box of scraps.
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My personal headcanon (Informed by the less shit parts of the shitty Trek EU) is that Cochran was part of just such a huge warp project before WWIII (There was probably at least one someone with a suit and tie hoping for the discovery of a "WARP Bomb").

It explains a lot his attitude and drinking problem if he'd watched his dreams go up in radioactive mushroom clouds and had to spend a decade scraping together what remnants there were of the program in a bunker in Montana.
 
SuperSonicSound said:
Then how do they do transfer of bulk resources to things like the Shipyards if BR and SR colonies don't have large scale freighters to move the ores/resources?
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Presumably, we're only transporting small amounts of it. On account of large amounts of those crazy materials not really existing.

AKuz said:
My personal headcanon (Informed by the less shit parts of the shitty Trek EU) is that Cochran was part of just such a huge warp project before WWIII (There was probably at least one someone with a suit and tie hoping for the discovery of a "WARP Bomb").

It explains a lot his attitude and drinking problem if he'd watched his dreams go up in radioactive mushroom clouds and had to spend a decade scraping together what remnants there were of the program in a bunker in Montana.
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I...never assumed that it was anything besides this. First Contact painted a pretty strong picture of pretty much exactly what you said.
 
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I think short-range freighters for Interstellar travel could get away with a fusion reactor and not a warp core, actually. As long as they don't mind going comparatively slower. Hitting warp factor doesn't actually require a AM reactor, it's just the best to use for higher energies needed for faster warp thanks to energy density
 
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OneirosTheWriter said:
So a single trip from each is a Connie-B load. But, being able to manage half-a-million ton of ore over a month (one way for most of the logistics routes), for 3-6 million per year (assuming no downtime), isn't exactly going to cut it. Between the iron ore mines at Mt Whaleback and Port Headland, BHP hauls about 60m ton of iron ore per year. I can see that working on intra-stellar levels, but not inter-stellar levels. Warp Cores just require way too much exotic material for that, and are too individually dangerous.
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Keep in mind, most of the freighters seen in TOS, TAS and TNG did not have warp drive at all.

Only in DS9 and Voyager did freighters with warp drive appear regularly.

And Star Trek tech makes going at relativistic speeds shockingly easy, so it's plausible that low-value bulk cargo would be moved in that way.

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Captain's Log - 2312.Q3.M1
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    • Captain's Log, USS Enterprise, Stardate 24831.1

    Despite the new rules of engagement freeing us up against the Sydraxians, this time around we'll still need to be as circumspect as possible. We are plying the same routes used by commerce raiders coming into Federation space, but headed the other way, to go meet the Gretarians quietly. We have a team of Diplomats with us to take along for the ride, led by a fellow Caitian.

    I have spent decades serving Starfleet and the Federation, and even so it still sometimes feels incredible that two members of a species that were only admitted recent can be trusted with such delicate actions.

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    Captain's Log, USS Vigour, Stardate 24831.4

    With the upcoming admission of the Apinae and Indorians, a more intensive mapping effort of the region is ongoing. As much as the Apinae have been very efficiently covering ground around their homeworlds, there are still some unmapped areas. We have found a deposit of extremely rare isotopes centered in an electron storm on an uninhabitable world that will prove useful.

    [Gain +15sr]

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    Captain's Log, USS S'harien, Stardate 24832.4 - Captain Saavik

    After successfully avoiding contact with potentially hostile forces, we have resumed our course towards the Ariel starsystem. One one of the moons we have discovered a notable duranium deposit. However, the veins are fairly narrow, and extraction may prove difficult. Even so, it is our first potential colony site within the Gabriel Expanse.

    [Gain 15br/yr colony site option, Ariel V-8]

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    Captain's Log, USS Enterprise, Stardate 24832.8

    We had to run silent while a Hasque passed us by. After they left the area, we sent a tight-beam subspace comm through to the Vega Starbase, making sure that local forces pick up the interloper.

    Never underestimate how EM-quiet an Excelsior with a good Chief Engineer can get!

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    Captain's Log, USS Thirishar, Stardate 24832.9

    As much as I do not believe there was a reasonable way that the sudden blow-out of the warp matrix could have been predicted by the Chief Engineer, it is nonetheless humiliating.

    More than three-quarters of the warp coils are now depolarised, and will need to be treated at a full starbase facility.

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    Captain's Log, USS Enterprise, Stardate 24833.4

    It seems that several years of association with the neighbouring Sydraxians have cured the Gretarians of at least some of their bewilderment at the idea of large weapons. They still abhor them, of course, but it's now more of a sullen principle.

    After arriving at the fringes of their system, we are able to hail a ship operating near their oort cloud on a scientific mission for the Gretarian government, and they were willing to meet with us discretely. Myself and the diplomats beamed aboard and we were taken back to the Gretarian homeworld.

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    Captain's Log, USS Intrepid, Stardate 24834.6

    Following from a mayday received from the USS Thirishar, we have arrived in the Kotok system, near Caldonian space, and have taken the ship under tractor-beam tow. It is slow going, of course. We are en-route to rendezvous at Tipperary with the USS Titan, an engineering ship that will take Thirishar the rest of the way.

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    Captain's Log, USS Enterprise, Stardate 24834.8

    Some very exciting developments! The Gretarian homeworld is a very peaceful and relaxing place, for all we have been kept bustling around and kept out of the public eye.

    The Gretarians are as eager as we are to have peace on this border zone. After all, they are likely to see campaigns cross their systems if this goes to war. To help out, they are putting our diplomats in touch with sympathetic counterparts from Sydrax. Now, so far the biggest thing we have learned was that the initial incident had to do with a "desecration" committed by Federation crew on leave. A culturally very significant grove was killed off somehow, allegedly due to emissions from a tricorder. I'm not sure how that is supposed to work, but if so it was clearly an inadvertent act.

    One thing the Gretarians warn, however, is that they don't have much influence with the Hierarchy. If we can get the Yrillians on-side as well, however, arguing for peace, that will go a long way towards bringing the Sydraxians to the bargaining table.

    [+25 with the Gretarians, +15pp]

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    • Peace is within reach!

    All without dropping a fleet on anyone's heads!

    Thanks Gretarians!



    (Yes, I do picture the Gretarians as anthropomorphic Yorkshire Terriers)
     
    Thirishar being damaged is not good, but great news with the Gretarians. They are really helping and thanks to doing a diplo push with the Yrillians we are setup to maybe get the Sydraxian situation to the peace table. Also we got the SR we needed to start the Centaur-A next quarter. Plus a mining colony!
     
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    We need to find and present evidence that Cardassia framed us for their wrongdoing.
     
    If only the Enterprise had taken their Chief Engineer with them. He is an expert with tricorders due to modifying them often...
     
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