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Sayle said:
but the largest option is a full deck deeper with more auxiliary space. Fortunately no matter what you choose, it is now standard practice to carve out at least enough space for another antimatter pod for a standard operating range of one year, though further expansion will need to spend auxiliary space.
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How many auxiliary slots does the saucer have?
 
I, for one, would love to see this thing as big, but remarkably sleek. Draw in the neck to have the primary and secondary hulls somewhat closer together, draw in the nacelle struts, make it look like it glides through space. It'd cut a striking figure to any first or second contact dignitaries, I would think.
 
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Yeah, the hull plating alone looks really nice already. It's a big improvement on the old hulls.

And it's going to be standard issue in the future, because it's just such an upgrade over Tritanium that we'd be crazy not to use it.
 
Alectai said:
Yeah, the hull plating alone looks really nice already. It's a big improvement on the old hulls.

And it's going to be standard issue in the future, because it's just such an upgrade over Tritanium that we'd be crazy not to use it.
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Weighs less, cost nearly the same and takes hits better. The only ships not taking it are Merchants and they probably will sooner or later as the roll out becomes more economically viable for non-governmental ships.
 
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Damn the costs/mass, this is a ship that's gonna be performing five year missions (or at least their precursors) if there was ever a ship to max out everything on this is it.

Besides, the Constitution-class originally had a 12 ship run, and the later Galaxies an initial 6 ship run (iirc), so a low run for this ship owing to cost shouldn't be considered a dealbreaker.
 
StriderInCosmos said:
I, for one, would love to see this thing as big, but remarkably sleek. Draw in the neck to have the primary and secondary hulls somewhat closer together, draw in the nacelle struts, make it look like it glides through space. It'd cut a striking figure to any first or second contact dignitaries, I would think.
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Maybe a more angled neck so the side profile has lines kind of like the sovereign, the whole blended body feels far off still. Not sure if that is due to deflector clearance/power but I'm with you. It might also let us have shorter nacelle pylons. I'd also be about a secondary hull on top of the ship.
 
Moist Bread said:
I wonder if yolodyne ever asks themselves why the SDB despieces them with such passion.
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Well let's see. I'm going to ignore all of the times a known technology was picked and look at all the new/prototype/experimental stuff- every single time Yoyodyne claimed to have a new toy for us- and see whether it went well or poorly:

In-timeline:
  1. 2151, UES Enterprise NX-01 tops out at Warp 4.9 on the much-publicized "Warp 5 Engine"
  2. 2163, UES Curiosity reaches Warp 4.9 cruise, 6.9 maximum on the nearly-equally-hyped "Warp 7 Engine" after the prototype parallel nacelle configuration fails to live up to promises.
Previous timeline:
  1. 2337, Renaissance-class requires refitting with an ultra-high-quality warp nacelle interlock after the prototype vertical nacelle configuration proves dangerously unstable; the prototype avoids outright catastrophe by sheer luck.
  2. 2341, Ambassador-class prototype nacelles do meet their performance promises! And don't threaten to blow up the entire ship! Instead they just threaten to ruin themselves and leave you stranded without warp capability, requiring very careful monitoring and maintenance in service.
  3. 2369, Endeavour-class experimental forward-swept nacelles...uh...technically meet their performance promises! But blow up spectacularly if you actually use them! Cruise speed is great as promised, but safe operation limited to half of Yoyodyne's claims, Warp 9.9 instead of the promised 9.975. Also, Yoyodyne breaks their streak of at least not failing catastrophically by blowing half its port nacelle off and sending the resulting shrapnel into and through the side of the prototype- though it does at least manage to crash out of warp instead of smearing the vessel across thirty light-years as a stream of energetic particles.
  4. 2371, Century-class experimental variable-coil nacelles produce significant warp field turbulence, degrading efficient cruise speeds significantly. In partial compensation, they do prove capable of even higher sprint speeds than expected, as enough power proves capable of overpowering the inefficient harmonics. On a brighter note, they don't even threaten to suddenly fail, much less detonate, making this Yoyodyne's first new tech (in this timeline) to not nearly kill its prototype's crew and thus its single best result EVER.
So out of six times Yoyodyne has claimed a thing, they have:
  • exceeded those claims zero times
  • met those claims safely zero times
  • met those claims dangerously once, at the cost of ultra-cautious monitoring and maintenance (Ambassador)
  • failed safely thrice (Enterprise, Curiosity, Century)
  • failed dangerously in an expensively-fixable manner once (Renaissance)
  • failed dangerously in an unfixable manner once (Endeavour)
Admittedly, the Enterprise NX-01 is perhaps not entirely Yoyodyne's fault, but frankly when you had someone a Warp 5 Engine and it turns out to only be a Warp-5-On-Specifically-Warp-Sprint-Optimized-Vessels-And-Configurations-Only Engine, well...

...we could have forgiven that slight degree of overpromising as a first offense (and in-setting, we did), but it sure does look like living down to expectations given their track record in the previous thread, and thus in-thread, it certainly added to the grudge we're collectively holding against them.

Let's have a table, actually

View: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nOXomtPbjajHAgbEISK9y4messlR3TeFE3dJLi34sOI/edit?usp=sharing
Edit: Ah darn, the embed does not like non-horizontal text, does it :(
Edit2: fixed.
 
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thepsyborg said:
Well let's see. I'm going to ignore all of the times a known technology was picked and look at all the new/prototype/experimental stuff- every single time Yoyodyne claimed to have a new toy for us- and see whether it went well or poorly:

In-timeline:
  1. 2151, UES Enterprise NX-01 tops out at Warp 4.9 on the much-publicized "Warp 5 Engine"
  2. 2163, UES Curiosity reaches Warp 4.9 cruise, 6.9 maximum on the nearly-equally-hyped "Warp 7 Engine" after the prototype parallel nacelle configuration fails to live up to promises.
Previous timeline:
  1. 2337, Renaissance-class requires refitting with an ultra-high-quality warp nacelle interlock after the prototype vertical nacelle configuration proves dangerously unstable; the prototype avoids outright catastrophe by sheer luck.
  2. 2341, Ambassador-class prototype nacelles do meet their performance promises! And don't threaten to blow up the entire ship! Instead they just threaten to ruin themselves and leave you stranded without warp capability, requiring very careful monitoring and maintenance in service.
  3. 2369, Endeavour-class experimental forward-swept nacelles...uh...technically meet their performance promises! But blow up spectacularly if you actually use them! Cruise speed is great as promised, but safe operation limited to half of Yoyodyne's claims, Warp 9.9 instead of the promised 9.975. Also, Yoyodyne breaks their streak of at least not failing catastrophically by blowing half its port nacelle off and sending the resulting shrapnel into and through the side of the prototype- though it does at least manage to crash out of warp instead of smearing the vessel across thirty light-years as a stream of energetic particles.
  4. 2371, Century-class experimental variable-coil nacelles produce significant warp field turbulence, degrading efficient cruise speeds significantly. In partial compensation, they do prove capable of even higher sprint speeds than expected, as enough power proves capable of overpowering the inefficient harmonics. On a brighter note, they don't even threaten to suddenly fail, much less detonate, making this Yoyodyne's first new tech (in this timeline) to not nearly kill its prototype's crew and thus its single best result EVER.
So out of six times Yoyodyne has claimed a thing, they have:
  • exceeded those claims zero times
  • met those claims safely zero times
  • met those claims dangerously once, at the cost of ultra-cautious monitoring and maintenance (Ambassador)
  • failed safely thrice (Enterprise, Curiosity, Century)
  • failed dangerously in an expensively-fixable manner once (Renaissance)
  • failed dangerously in an unfixable manner once (Endeavour)
Admittedly, the Enterprise NX-01 is perhaps not entirely Yoyodyne's fault, but frankly when you had someone a Warp 5 Engine and it turns out to only be a Warp-5-On-Specifically-Warp-Sprint-Optimized-Vessels-And-Configurations-Only Engine, well...

...we could have forgiven that slight degree of overpromising as a first offense (and in-setting, we did), but it sure does look like living down to expectations given their track record in the previous thread, and thus in-thread, it certainly added to the grudge we're collectively holding against them.

Let's have a table, actually

View: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nOXomtPbjajHAgbEISK9y4messlR3TeFE3dJLi34sOI/edit?usp=sharing
Edit: Ah darn, the embed does not like non-horizontal text, does it :( The columns are
  • Hull, Thruster, Deflector
  • Warp Coil & Nacelle
  • Tactical
  • Scientific Aux
  • Engineering Aux
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In fairness, Yoyodyne did not do our this-timeline engines, I don't think. What they've done in this timeline so far are the Type-1B Warp Coils, and those actually did work as promised.
 
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CHONK.

More seriously, Starfleet's generalist preferences are best met by maximalist mass-volume allowances.
The more so when the CONOPS of this design prioritizes long range, long duration solo exploration missions well beyond friendly space. It kinda needs to carry as much of everything it can with it.

Full Saucer: 380 kilotons
Ventral Secondary Hull(Engineering Section): 120 kilotons
Electro-Ceramic Armor: -20% mass
Total: (380+120)*0.8 = 400 kilotons

Plus, prototype thrusters were mentioned as a possibility early in the design process.
I assume we'll be putting them on this one as well.
 
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I have my fingers crossed that we'll have the option for the Photon Torpedo prototype on this as well.
 
uju32 said:
[X] Ventral Secondary Hull (Engineering Section)


CHONK.

More seriously, Starfleet's generalist preferences are best met by maximalist mass-volume allowances.
The more so when the CONOPS of this design prioritizes long range, long duration solo exploration missions well be
It kinda needs to carry as much of everything it can with it.

Full Saucer: 380 kilotons
Ventral Secondary Hull(Engineering Section): 120 kilotons
Electro-Ceramic Armor: -20% mass
Total: (380+120)*0.8 = 400 kilotons

Plus, prototype thrusters were mentioned as a possibility early in the design process.
I assume we'll be putting them on this one as well.
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If we want Maneuverability over Low we're going to have too. Even if we took an Inline secondary with a small hull we'd be far from hitting the mark on that with how big this ship is.
 
thepsyborg said:
Well let's see. I'm going to ignore all of the times a known technology was picked and look at all the new/prototype/experimental stuff- every single time Yoyodyne claimed to have a new toy for us- and see whether it went well or poorly:

In-timeline:
  1. 2151, UES Enterprise NX-01 tops out at Warp 4.9 on the much-publicized "Warp 5 Engine"
  2. 2163, UES Curiosity reaches Warp 4.9 cruise, 6.9 maximum on the nearly-equally-hyped "Warp 7 Engine" after the prototype parallel nacelle configuration fails to live up to promises.
Previous timeline:
  1. 2337, Renaissance-class requires refitting with an ultra-high-quality warp nacelle interlock after the prototype vertical nacelle configuration proves dangerously unstable; the prototype avoids outright catastrophe by sheer luck.
  2. 2341, Ambassador-class prototype nacelles do meet their performance promises! And don't threaten to blow up the entire ship! Instead they just threaten to ruin themselves and leave you stranded without warp capability, requiring very careful monitoring and maintenance in service.
  3. 2369, Endeavour-class experimental forward-swept nacelles...uh...technically meet their performance promises! But blow up spectacularly if you actually use them! Cruise speed is great as promised, but safe operation limited to half of Yoyodyne's claims, Warp 9.9 instead of the promised 9.975. Also, Yoyodyne breaks their streak of at least not failing catastrophically by blowing half its port nacelle off and sending the resulting shrapnel into and through the side of the prototype- though it does at least manage to crash out of warp instead of smearing the vessel across thirty light-years as a stream of energetic particles.
  4. 2371, Century-class experimental variable-coil nacelles produce significant warp field turbulence, degrading efficient cruise speeds significantly. In partial compensation, they do prove capable of even higher sprint speeds than expected, as enough power proves capable of overpowering the inefficient harmonics. On a brighter note, they don't even threaten to suddenly fail, much less detonate, making this Yoyodyne's first new tech (in this timeline) to not nearly kill its prototype's crew and thus its single best result EVER.
So out of six times Yoyodyne has claimed a thing, they have:
  • exceeded those claims zero times
  • met those claims safely zero times
  • met those claims dangerously once, at the cost of ultra-cautious monitoring and maintenance (Ambassador)
  • failed safely thrice (Enterprise, Curiosity, Century)
  • failed dangerously in an expensively-fixable manner once (Renaissance)
  • failed dangerously in an unfixable manner once (Endeavour)
Admittedly, the Enterprise NX-01 is perhaps not entirely Yoyodyne's fault, but frankly when you had someone a Warp 5 Engine and it turns out to only be a Warp-5-On-Specifically-Warp-Sprint-Optimized-Vessels-And-Configurations-Only Engine, well...

...we could have forgiven that slight degree of overpromising as a first offense (and in-setting, we did), but it sure does look like living down to expectations given their track record in the previous thread, and thus in-thread, it certainly added to the grudge we're collectively holding against them.

Let's have a table, actually

View: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nOXomtPbjajHAgbEISK9y4messlR3TeFE3dJLi34sOI/edit?usp=sharing
Edit: Ah darn, the embed does not like non-horizontal text, does it :( The columns are
  • Hull, Thruster, Deflector
  • Warp Coil & Nacelle
  • Tactical
  • Scientific Aux
  • Engineering Aux
Click to expand...
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I love that you made a spreadsheet of how bad yolodyne is XD
 
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