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The time to skimp was the engines IMO.
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The sooner the technology matures, the sooner it can be cheaply retrofitted into the Miranda class.
The sooner the technology matures, the sooner it can be cheaply retrofitted into the Miranda class.
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Dodging enemy fire, actually hitting much of anything with our torpedoes in the near future given the size/maneuverability interactions, against the possibility of the Maximum available coverage still having significant gaps (after all, we never actually know what our options will actually be before we get to the relevant vote)... That's about it.
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It's a 15% increase in total ship cost to cover three small blind spots that require a slight rotation that will immediately Blow Away anything small enough to actually fit in that spot
They might not be exactly 1:1 but it's pretty darn close,we see during the Battle of Andoria a BoP's shields dropping from a pair of Photon Torpedoes:
The BoP according to the Warbook has 12 Shield Rating and considering the fact that the standard Photon Torpedo Launcher's average damage clocks in at 6 damage having two torpedoes drop a BoP's shields pretty much lines up with the Shield Rating numbers.
From the same update we see the Joyeuse's full torpedo load drop a fresh D7's shields. While in this particular case the count indicates 8 torpedoes from the Joyeuse we know from the design vote that the Excalibur's only have a 5 torpedo salvo so that's likely a typo especially given what the Joyeuse pulls against the second D7 without any help from a Kea.
We see some variability in how Hull and Shield Rating translate in quest since the Joyeuse's follow-up strike against the second D7 involves it killing the D7 on it's lonesome between a strike from it's phasers followed by it's full torpedo load when the previous D7 took a phaser hit, a full salvo, and another 2 torpedoes from a Kea.
Overall I wouldn't be surprised if a Type-V straight up drops a D7's shields.
That's not avg damage though, in your quote. That's burst damage, or 36.
I literally bolded the average damage part of the quote which says 6 and the Battle of Andoria Quote specifically notes 2 torpedoes hitting the BoP which would amount to 12 damage.
You're also incorrect about Burst Damage since Standard Photon Torpedo Launcher burst damage in that same quote clocks in at 18.
That is you misunderstanding the numbers imo. Avg damage incoproates the time spent in reloading cycles. Whereas burst is the two torps hitting in quick succession, as they do in your quoted update text. I do not agree with your conclusions.I literally bolded the average damage part of the quote which says 6 and the Battle of Andoria Quote specifically notes 2 torpedoes hitting the BoP which would amount to 6 damage.
You're also incorrect about Burst Damage since Standard Photon Torpedo Launcher burst damage in that same quote clocks in at 18.
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I'm afraid I also see that as the Torpedo doing 18 damage, every third round. This averages at 6 damage per round. This is the reason we use them - that big burst damage alpha strike to try to deal enough damage that the other ship is weakened or disabled instantly.I literally bolded the average damage part of the quote which says 6 and the Battle of Andoria Quote specifically notes 2 torpedoes hitting the BoP which would amount to 12 damage.
You're also incorrect about Burst Damage since Standard Photon Torpedo Launcher burst damage in that same quote clocks in at 18.
The reason the Rapid launcher does 3 times the damage is because its literally firing 3 standard photon torpedoes. 3 hitting for a total of 54 damage, then two rounds to reload.
| Type-1 Photon Launcher | Mature (-25% Cost) | 3 | 2.25 | 6 Average/18 Burst | Tech Matured | ||
| Type-1 Rapid Launcher | Standard | 12 | 12 | 18 Average/54 Burst | Mature: 2260 |
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Well the issue here is that the D7 fight part of the Battle of Andoria quote from my post shows the Joyeuse firing all it's launchers against both the first and second D7 with Phaser fire in between.
While I did cut out a little bit of text unrelated to the torpedoes I didn't cut out that much and have included the entire passage in the below quote for clarity's sake.
If we were using your interpretation only the Rapid Fire Launchers should have been able to fire and they wouldn't have been firing full salvos either since they shouldn't have reloaded in time.
Note that the Phasers fired an equal amount of times as the torpedoes at two volleys per weapon.
[X] 10 Phaser Banks (Type V) [Damage 32] [100% Coverage] [Cost: 149]
[X] 10 Phaser Banks (Type V) [Damage 32] [100% Coverage] [Cost: 149]
For those arguing about maneuverability overriding coverage concerns, it's not going to work out that way given this ships mission profile. We're designing a ship for fleet engagements, where this heavy cruiser serves as the anchor for our forces or even takes out multiple enemies at once. In such situations 100% coverage is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY because in either case this ship's maneuverability is either irrelevant (with multiple targets coming in from multiple directions, it's easy for them to exploit the gaps so only one or two of the targets are in the line of fire at a time) or not being utilized (in the case of a fleet engagement wildly breaking formation in order to keep the enemy in our firing arcs is a great way to lose control of the battle). And as the tactical heavyweight of Starfleet, this ship is going to be expected to lead fleets in wartime and be able to be dispatched either alone or with very light escort to deal with things like pirate bases in peace.
Not to mention that maneuverability is a sliding scale. Not only will the march of progress mean that today's high manuverability will be tomorrows mid, we're still exploring the galaxy and have several powers that in the cannon timeline are either hostile or problematic for the Federation that we're probably going to encounter very soon. And while the Gorn can probably be treated like the Klingons in terms of ship combat, the Tholians are fond of swarm attacks which we will need full coverage in order to have a hope of countering.
TLDR: Unlike a non-tactical focused ship maneuverability CANNOT make up for gaps in coverage due to their role in battle.
For those arguing about maneuverability overriding coverage concerns, it's not going to work out that way given this ships mission profile. We're designing a ship for fleet engagements, where this heavy cruiser serves as the anchor for our forces or even takes out multiple enemies at once. In such situations 100% coverage is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY because in either case this ship's maneuverability is either irrelevant (with multiple targets coming in from multiple directions, it's easy for them to exploit the gaps so only one or two of the targets are in the line of fire at a time) or not being utilized (in the case of a fleet engagement wildly breaking formation in order to keep the enemy in our firing arcs is a great way to lose control of the battle). And as the tactical heavyweight of Starfleet, this ship is going to be expected to lead fleets in wartime and be able to be dispatched either alone or with very light escort to deal with things like pirate bases in peace.
Not to mention that maneuverability is a sliding scale. Not only will the march of progress mean that today's high manuverability will be tomorrows mid, we're still exploring the galaxy and have several powers that in the cannon timeline are either hostile or problematic for the Federation that we're probably going to encounter very soon. And while the Gorn can probably be treated like the Klingons in terms of ship combat, the Tholians are fond of swarm attacks which we will need full coverage in order to have a hope of countering.
TLDR: Unlike a non-tactical focused ship maneuverability CANNOT make up for gaps in coverage due to their role in battle.
[X] 6 Phaser Banks (Type V) [Damage: 32] [60% Coverage] [Cost: 129]
