Start naming our ships after politicians who lobby to get our ships built
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Joyful_Overkill
satisfaction in knowing your enemy won't survive.
what what about famous generals and warlords?
Charlemagne
Alexander the great
Hanibal
Scipio Africanus
Belasarius
Temüjin
Subatai.
no shortage of names there.
Charlemagne
Alexander the great
Hanibal
Scipio Africanus
Belasarius
Temüjin
Subatai.
no shortage of names there.
It's bad enough that the next USS Intrepid is going to be a damn DDG…
Nah, name them after comedians.
I want to see the Klingons tremble before the might of the UFS Robin Williams, Steve Carrel, and Abbot & Castello
edit: ngl hitting Romulans with "Who's on First" would probably end with multiple romulans dead and not a single shot fired by the Federation.
I want to see the Klingons tremble before the might of the UFS Robin Williams, Steve Carrel, and Abbot & Castello
edit: ngl hitting Romulans with "Who's on First" would probably end with multiple romulans dead and not a single shot fired by the Federation.
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KlavoHunter
THOU SHALT WORSHIP NO GODS ABOVE ENTERPRISE!
You! I like you, you're funny! You can be my Captain-Governor of Andoria!!!
Any comedian after the mid 1970's wouldn't match our comedians. And the few whom were the "same" person, isn't likely to have the same material as ours. Yes, yes, Abbot & Castello would be before the split, so it would be the same. I'm explicitly talking about after our timelines changed.
Onionjones
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Naturally - fish don't vote after all
(Of course in the future they might)
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In some cases it translates even better than when originally introduced!
After second contact with the Ferengi, Earth historians released a set off of edited joke books from the 20th century. The original subjects of the jokes are unknown, but the popularity of "The Happy Ferengi Joke Copendium" is undeniable!
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I dont know why Starfleet is shipping medical supplies around when replicators exist, but thats their prerogative
Anyway, this seems more like an argument for Labs or Advanced Medical, not Pharma
None of this would increase the likelihood of Starfleet buying more Feddies
Nobody needs 20+ diplomacy cruisers
And frankly the pronouncements of "Starfleet wont buy this ship, so lets stuff it with stuff that Starfleet doesnt want a lot of" is at risk of turning your predictions into a self-fulfilling prophecy
And you do that on the ground.
A Starfleet vessel does not need a diplomatic suite for talking to Federation colonists and there's functionality theyd appreciate a lot more in a visiting starship
Starfleet doesnt appear to work that way
For good or ill they are much less hierarchical than RL navies, and flagship quarters do not appear to be a thing the way they would be irl
Furthermore, it bears pointing out that not once in the Federation's eighty year history have they found it necessary to spend starship volume on dedicated diplomacy space. Even the old chungus explorer Sagamartha didnt have space to spend space on diplomatic suites or fancy quarters for VIPs, and it was significantly larger than the Feddie sans extra nacelles
The closest weve come is Extra Crew Quarters, which applies to everyone, not just some VIPs
Thats a much easier sell
But there's not such a need?
In the combined century plus that Utopia Planetia has been designing ships for first United Earth, then the Federation, not once has Starfleet formally asked for a diplomatic ship, or diplomacy modules on our designs
Maybe San Fran has gotten all the diplomatic ship contracts?
Nevertheless, its not been a functionality they have requested, and given as we are currently on 20x members and still growing, Im thinking they seem to be doing fine without it
Maybe on a dedicated Explorer. Not on a heavy cruiser
My 2 cents
If you're going to play politics with the naming, do it properly
Name them after full Member Planets and every member planet will want their own namesake
That's twenty ships, easy, plus replacements for losses
Onionjones
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I meant historic admirals - probably should have specified that
I'd rather not start naming ships after places, it's made the us navy have some really boring names
I'd rather not start naming ships after places, it's made the us navy have some really boring names
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Eh, not feeling admirals/generals/conquerors. Naming ships after old dead imperialists is so gauche.
Ah
Too late though
Pretty sure Starfleet already names ships after places; the entire 12-ship Sagamartha-class was named after mountains
Besides, dead admirals dont vote
Living citizens do
Thats the constituency to court
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Onionjones
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Mountains are of course better than states (planets in this case) - they don't tend to have a voting population
Mountains belong to states and planets that do have a voting population
Its a more oblique appeal to voters, but its still an appeal
KlavoHunter
THOU SHALT WORSHIP NO GODS ABOVE ENTERPRISE!
I believe proper Replicators only start existing by the TNG era. Before that, it's a variety of protein resequencers and food synthesizers, or the good ol' gallery with a short-order cook.
And even then, a Medical Replicator would be a higher-grade, rarer piece of equipment that Sickbay has one of, when practically every room in the rest of the Enterprise-D has a replicator that can spit out food and hand phasers...
What about when the dispute is between the colonists and a freighter captain? Or perhaps the asteroid miners are on strike? Or... [insert other scenario here]. A neutral ground with secure access and a dignified level of comfort could help calm frayed nerves and lead to a productive resolution.
That said, if there's some other important module out there we need that ends up taking this hypothetical conference room space, I suppose it can be lost. 🤷♂️
Onionjones
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I'd vote for a diplomatic suite - even if it doesn't get used it is a capability we should have in reserve.
Also, depending on the nature of what needs diplomacy there might not be an appropriate meeting place available so it would be useful to be able to bring one to wherever we need to, like if some planets bombed out, or some sort of security risk to one of the parties there.
Also, depending on the nature of what needs diplomacy there might not be an appropriate meeting place available so it would be useful to be able to bring one to wherever we need to, like if some planets bombed out, or some sort of security risk to one of the parties there.
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Fair
I thought we already had them
Then they meet on the ground. Or in a spare room
Like they have already been doing for the last several decades, and like they would do if it was a Miranda responding, or a Kea, or a Newton or an Archer or an Excalibur or an Attenborough.
While the Federation is on its way, we have not yet achieved full Automated Gay Luxury Communism In Space. We have technologically superior hostile neighbors, and are not yet so technologically ahead that we can randomly shove in marginal capabilities just in case, especially at the expense of more frequently used, and harder to replace, requirements
You can turn a random room into a meeting place
Same doesnt work for advanced medical, or a dilithium lab, or shuttle bay
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darkstarling
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It's not that you can't get diplomatic work done without a neutral meeting ground. Self evidently you can, because they did in canon. And Starships are rare enough that it hasn't been worth it to have a ship dedicated only to diplomacy, this makes perfect sense. But given how often Starships are doing diplomatic things, and that there are genuinely specific requirements to do diplomatic things well, I'd say that they SHOULD have diplomatic suites because it self evidently will get used. It's a significant fraction of what Starships already do, so we might as well give them the proper facilities for it.
It's not just a meeting place, for the size of a full module you'd have space for a few cultural, legal and economic experts so you're making sure people's cultures are respected, you're well-briefed on their laws and you get good breakdowns of trade and commercial consequences before you sign the dotted line.
My understanding is that we use advanced 3d printers, but not replicators. We have machines that function LIKE replicators from a user perspective, but they need non-protomatter feedstock of whatever they are printing. There are food printers, but they are being fed specialized yeast stock that has all the pieces they need to print food. There are industrial printers that make industrial components, but they require material feedstock.
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We'll have to disagree
On an explorer thats been specifically designed to dedicate space for diplomacy? Yes. On a dedicated diplomacy cruiser certainly. For a tactical cruiser that has to make space for peacetime roles no; other things to do to support Starfleet
I also suspect you are mistaking a Spiders Georg type situation for the norm
Average Starfleet cruiser has three diplomatic encounters a year is actually just statistical error.
The average Starfleet cruiser has 0 diplomatic encounters a year. USS Enterprise, which has 10,000 such encounters a year, is a statistical outlier and should not have been counted
There's a pointed lesson when neither the men and women on the sharp end nor the people who oversee them have never made a request for dedicated diplomatic suites
Not once in more than fifty years
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I think we should name the ship after large immobile objects like glaciers which would be even funnier because our ship is actually pretty fast compared to the slow moving nature of glaciers.
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I mean, back when we took on the Archer contract one of the other bids was for a specialised diplomatic cruiser. It's clear there is appetite for Starfleet to provide something better than the officer's mess hall for diplomatic functions, and a ship doing so needn't be some tiny space-yacht.