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landcollector said:
Well, to be fair, it usually pays off. An Excalibur design without the fore mounted RFL likely wouldn't have been as effective in keeping Starfleet's head above water long enough for the situation to stabilize during the Four Years War.
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Yep, if there's an option to put a prototype in I'm for it 8 times out of 10. A little more money now for that damage keeps the platform relevant for longer and advances tech adoption.

My comment was just to show that if the goal isn't max damage in every arc but overall coverage at basement prices then it's possible.
 
uju32 said:
Last I checked, we dont have a Warp 9 engine
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The engine is irrelevant!

We designed the Warp 8 engine with an eye toward futureproofing, so that Warp 8 ships can be retrofitted with the Warp 9 cores when those enter play - there's no reason that should be a contradiction for you! What matters is that there is a Project Miranda right now, and the canon Miranda entered service during or before the 2260s (Reliant's serial number was on a list in 2264; thus their first launches would have been at most 14 years from now). As I've already said, everything happening a little faster (notably the Federation-Klingon war occurring 20 years ahead of schedule) provides ample reason for the Miranda to have been moved up the docket.
 
Adhoc vote count started by RedWake on Jan 7, 2025 at 6:36 AM, finished with 341 posts and 111 votes.
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[X] Standard Nacelle Supports

We have been explicit warned that struts would step out of the design requirements and result in a smaller production run. Personally I'd rather seem more of our ship design sailing out there.
 
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[X] Standard Nacelle Supports (Aesthetic) [No Bonus/Malus]
[X] Rollbar Nacelle Supports (Aesthetic) [No Bonus/Malus]

We don't need a true Dreadnought just yet. Maybe next war, but for now, the crucible that created Thunderchild remains a memory.
 
I do think it's kind of funny how we're basically redoing canon with SanFran's Miranda being the ubiquitous 'good-enough' ship that gets spammed everywhere while our Federation is on course to be a bloated dreadnaught that only exists as obscure statbook trivia rather than a meaningful presence in the fleet.

Funny in a sad way, that is. The worst part of the Klingon War updates for me was seeing how the Newton constantly got mentioned as the main ship on the frontlines getting the work done, when it wasn't a ship we had any hand in. It's gonna suck when the next major event happens and we hear about lots of Miranda action because we spent our time on a limited run novelty dick-waving ship that has the most absurd numbers in Jane's Fighting Starships of the 2250s but only exists as a single digit run of prestige ships.
 
Ebiris said:
I do think it's kind of funny how we're basically redoing canon with SanFran's Miranda being the ubiquitous 'good-enough' ship that gets spammed everywhere while our Federation is on course to be a bloated dreadnaught that only exists as obscure statbook trivia rather than a meaningful presence in the fleet.

Funny in a sad way, that is. The worst part of the Klingon War updates for me was seeing how the Newton constantly got mentioned as the main ship on the frontlines getting the work done, when it wasn't a ship we had any hand in. It's gonna suck when the next major event happens and we hear about lots of Miranda action because we spent our time on a limited run novelty dick-waving ship that has the most absurd numbers in Jane's Fighting Starships of the 2250s but only exists as a single digit run of prestige ships.
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I have a very different read of the war than you apparently. The Newton held the line, but the Excalibur won the war. If all that Starfleet had was Newtons then the Klingons would have picked Starfleet to pieces. The Excalibur was key to actually fighting back against Klingon aggression and stopping their relentless advance by forcing them to guard their rear lines.
 
Ebiris said:
I do think it's kind of funny how we're basically redoing canon with SanFran's Miranda being the ubiquitous 'good-enough' ship that gets spammed everywhere while our Federation is on course to be a bloated dreadnaught that only exists as obscure statbook trivia rather than a meaningful presence in the fleet.
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this 💯. For the all the fancy tech we work with, we peaked with the Archer. We'll never has a more ubiquitous and long serving ship as our ugly as sin, rinky dink cargo hauler.


View: https://youtube.com/shorts/8hMj_a8F7N0?si=FR1RVRXIQecptbbz
 
Fouredged Sword said:
I have a very different read of the war than you apparently. The Newton held the line, but the Excalibur won the war. If all that Starfleet had was Newtons then the Klingons would have picked Starfleet to pieces. The Excalibur was key to actually fighting back against Klingon aggression and stopping their relentless advance by forcing them to guard their rear lines.
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I'm not saying the Excalibur wasn't important, but a lot of the time it wasn't present. The war would've been far more satisfying to read if the ship involved in so many of those desperate battles before the Excaliburs could show up had been one of ours rather than an NPC design.
 
Ebiris said:
I do think it's kind of funny how we're basically redoing canon with SanFran's Miranda being the ubiquitous 'good-enough' ship that gets spammed everywhere while our Federation is on course to be a bloated dreadnaught that only exists as obscure statbook trivia rather than a meaningful presence in the fleet.

Funny in a sad way, that is. The worst part of the Klingon War updates for me was seeing how the Newton constantly got mentioned as the main ship on the frontlines getting the work done, when it wasn't a ship we had any hand in. It's gonna suck when the next major event happens and we hear about lots of Miranda action because we spent our time on a limited run novelty dick-waving ship that has the most absurd numbers in Jane's Fighting Starships of the 2250s but only exists as a single digit run of prestige ships.
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Doomerism is unbecoming of a Starfleet Officer.

I think it's kind of odd actually. We are told 'you have the option to strap an extra entire starship's worth of photon launchers to this thing, but if you do it'll be expensive and a limited run' and people hear that the ship is already a bloated useless boondoggle.

These are not the same statements! We're being told that we're at the pricey end of a normal run so we have to justify it.
 
darkstarling said:
Doomerism is unbecoming of a Starfleet Officer.

I think it's kind of odd actually. We are told 'you have the option to strap an extra entire starship's worth of photon launchers to this thing, but if you do it'll be expensive and a limited run' and people hear that the ship is already a bloated useless boondoggle.

These are not the same statements! We're being told that we're at the pricey end of a normal run so we have to justify it.
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We were told from the start we had to justify it, that tactical ability had to be matched with usefulness in other fields, so we always knew we had to think really carefully about module choice to make this thing worth the investment.

But now we're at the point of Starfleet throwing up their hands and saying, "Fuck it, do whatever, we'll only build a couple anyway." Instead of being the fast response fire stopper we have all over the place solving crises, it's going to be some admiral's vanity flagship.
 
Ebiris said:
We were told from the start we had to justify it, that tactical ability had to be matched with usefulness in other fields, so we always knew we had to think really carefully about module choice to make this thing worth the investment.

But now we're at the point of Starfleet throwing up their hands and saying, "Fuck it, do whatever, we'll only build a couple anyway." Instead of being the fast response fire stopper we have all over the place solving crises, it's going to be some admiral's vanity flagship.
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That's almost uncalled for!

We design one heavy cruiser with a roller rink and an ice cream bar and it's all "it's a vanity project!"

I'll have you know that being able to roller skate while eating Rocky Road is incredibly important! For...Scientific research, yeah!
 
Honestly the Federation hull can probably be retrofitted into a more Science oriented Vessel anyways. You could even fathom making it an actual explorer.
 
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