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[X] Project Miranda (Midweight Generalist)

We'll have our shot at a big ol' chonker of a ship in due time. Right now, we need to beef up our fleet numbers as best we can as circumstances and resources allow. Having a solid 'do anything ship' will go a long ways towards that.

That, and Our Lady Miranda's just that iconic.
 
landcollector said:
Given the "you can only shoot one phaser bank at any given time" limit is still in effect afaict, that's a lot of cost tied up for weapon mounts that more often than not can't/won't be used. =/
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Sayle said:
For Starfleet the war had been a trial by fire against a superior opponent with difficult lessons. The front-heavy armaments which had been increasingly favoured for starships of all types had shown serious weaknesses against more maneuverable Klingon craft, and much of the war had turned on the question of strategic range and speed.
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We're going to want enough coverage to reliably shoot at things that outmaneuver us. As a line cruiser, even if we could turn fast enough to keep a BoP from outmaneuvering us, we shouldn't; it's incompatible with holding the line.

Four to five phaser banks isn't going to cut it.

And since I'm invested in this question, my vote:

[x] Project Federation (Heavy Line Cruiser)
 
[X] Project Miranda (Midweight Generalist)

recycle as much of the Excalibur design as possible to keep costs down, cruise config nacelles, no extra AM, cargo bays etc.
 
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[X] Project Miranda (Midweight Generalist)

I feel like generalist is almost misleading. It doesn't need to be a real generalist like an explorer, it's an engineering cruiser along the vein of the Newton or the Cygnus:
As an in-territory vessel with only basic scientific facilities, the freed space could be utilised for tactical, engineering, and utility concerns.
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I kind of just want an engineering cruiser version of an Excalibur. It's not like we have new nacelles so building another long-range cruiser feels kind of pointless right now.
 
[X] Project Miranda (Midweight Generalist)

I was waffling between the two, but then I remembered about the "gold age of Orion piracy" that's coming up and that won the argument for me. You need more ships to cover more ground.

I would love to have the heavy weight cruiser and be secure in future fleet actions, but peeking ahead in canon shows that we have less need for a line cruiser for fleet action. The Excaliburs suffice for now.
 
[X] Project Federation (Heavy Line Cruiser)

Canon Miranda is fine, and I really want to do a proper battleship again.
 
[X] Project Federation (Heavy Line Cruiser)

Okay, that comment that canon Miranda is already perfect got me. SanFran will do just fine with the design. The "canon" Federation-class is a mess that we can easily improve on.
 
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[X] Project Miranda (Midweight Generalist)
I want a little more tech before we do our next big boy.
 
Much as I can understand the desire to go big to start ratcheting up towards our 2MT displacement Excelsior equivalent in around half a century from now, I'm also kinda wanting to see if we can do better in capability/longevity than the OTL!Miranda. Hm.
 
Quickshot0 said:
An ability one presumably could give to such a large vessel with so much module space.
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Yes, but then you run into the same problem as the Archer, where you need more good enough ships to free up your very good ships.

The argument against that is that the cost to go bigger and more capable is marginal, but then I didn't see Starfleet tactical complaining that they could've bought another run of heavy cruisers with better scientific facilities than the Attenborough for practically the same price, so either Starfleet has no idea how much their stuff costs or the Attenborough isn't literally 3/4 of an Excalibur.
 
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