Endorfinator
Awkwardly Social
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How could we possibly pass up the opportunity to design the Miranda? It is *the* Starfleet ship for the next 120 years.
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It sounds like we're either choosing between a smaller generalist to operate within our borders or a larger generalist with expeditionary capability.
We've just built the Excalibur for a long range strike cruiser, so I'm not sure that we really want to build another long range generalist that supersedes the Excalibur when we've just been told that those newtons need to be replaced.
We've just built the Excalibur for a long range strike cruiser, so I'm not sure that we really want to build another long range generalist that supersedes the Excalibur when we've just been told that those newtons need to be replaced.
By making a bigger, better Miranda. That's how.
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Me wan' big ship.
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I'm thinking 240kt miranda
The medium weight is stated to cut cost by cutting non-vital capability while the heavy weight is stated to use high mass to get both really good defenses while having depth of capability.
So the choice isn't between a generalist and a heavy warship. The choice is between a medium weight warship that struggles to be anything other than a warship and a large ship that does something really well and is ALSO a highly shielded tank in war.
I for one think we should build the hospital ship we have talked about for a while. Let's give our big defensive ship good reason to hang around our colonies and outer regions without running around surveying systems where our populations are not yet. It can run loops around our outer regions bringing tier one medical services to areas without access and then also act as a medical recovery ship post battle to save as many casualties as possible in war.
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You werent kidding.Yeah, me like.
So that will probably start design around 2270. Gonna want to be in on that project.
Does suggest we should be looking north of 300,000 tons for the heavy cruiser.
I would not be opposed to a 540 Kton cruiser with three thrusters for medium maneuverability.
*googles*
You werent kidding.Yeah, me like.
So that will probably start design around 2270. Gonna want to be in on that project.
Does suggest we should be looking north of 300,000 tons for the heavy cruiser.
That's not really how our ships work though? Modules are free, so all a mid weight ship means is that it doesn't get as much module space. The Excalibur is as close to a pure warship as we can get and it's still able to serve as an explorer, if a rather mediocre one.
Even on the Excalibur itself, had we taken modules that gave engineering or science or cargo rather than more fuel or expanded crew quarters, could've been a much better generalist while maintaining strong tactical.
Iridium Flare
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Thunderchild remix, anyone?
A reminder: these are not, strictly speaking, breakpoints. Agility is a smooth progression between the numbers Captainwolf has presented.
I think we probably go 6-7 phasers, maybe a bit more, and pay for it by only bringing the one rapid. Yes, yes, burst and sustained firepower will suffer, but at 25-270 ktons we're looking at +50% shielding (at least!) and +10% phaser DPS compared to the Excalibur, and we don't actually need anything close to its total firepower.
And this thing should certainly be able to shoot backwards, so we don't need a second tube pointing that way.
While true, it's hard to not think that with say twice the mass you could totally outdo its capability module wise. All while still only using two engines, and due to shield strength increasing with mass, one can use a switch from heavy shielding to medium to come out at barely any extra cost for it.
We've been designing really compact designs for the last few ships, so it would be interesting to go the other way and take all the size our extremely powerful engines would allow and make something that would potentially be a truly great generalist.
I'm not necessarily opposed to replacing the Sagarmatha instead of the Newton, but the main thing I'm concerned about is this:
Considering that our main advantage is our industrial strength, it'd be nice to replenish our engineering cruisers.
On the other hand, the tactical role Starfleet wants to fill definitely favors a larger vessel:
So I guess it's really a matter of whether we want to prioritize the peacetime or wartime application here.
Endorfinator
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The Miranda was the workhorse of Starfleet for 120 years. The Federation class was a ship from a third party book. I'd rather leave our mark on the Miranda.
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[X] Project Federation (Heavy Line Cruiser)
I want to build a big ship so that it has lots of capability, and moderately arm it so that it is cheap enough it can be built in Miranda numbers.
I want to build a big ship so that it has lots of capability, and moderately arm it so that it is cheap enough it can be built in Miranda numbers.
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Ehhhh. Given the "you can only shoot one phaser bank at any given time" limit is still in effect afaict, that's a lot of cost tied up for weapon mounts that more often than not can't/won't be used. =/
darkstarling
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[X] Project Miranda (Midweight Generalist)
I want to design a generalist. A GOOD generalist. It's easy to do a scattershot generalist, but I want one that brings out all the synergies.
"Specialized Needs" is "has to do things on a planet for a long time" though
They have mentioned this is the Golden Age of Orion Piracy. So on that note we want to be able to show up and say 'no, you're all going to jail.'
We don't have any looming wars, we want to prevent more wars by not getting on the backfoot. So yes agreed.
Yeah, Miranda and Excelsior are the future of Starfleet and I want to do it right.
I want to design a generalist. A GOOD generalist. It's easy to do a scattershot generalist, but I want one that brings out all the synergies.
"Specialized Needs" is "has to do things on a planet for a long time" though
They have mentioned this is the Golden Age of Orion Piracy. So on that note we want to be able to show up and say 'no, you're all going to jail.'
We don't have any looming wars, we want to prevent more wars by not getting on the backfoot. So yes agreed.
Yeah, Miranda and Excelsior are the future of Starfleet and I want to do it right.
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[X] Project Miranda (Midweight Generalist)
We need replacements for the Newton. Although, I'm down to clown however this goes.
We need replacements for the Newton. Although, I'm down to clown however this goes.
Onionjones
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[X] Project Miranda (Midweight Generalist)
The Miranda is a iconic Starfleet ship, I'd rather design it over something else.
Though the Federation also wouldn't be terrible
The Miranda is a iconic Starfleet ship, I'd rather design it over something else.
Though the Federation also wouldn't be terrible
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Alectai
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Yeah, the implication I get is that the current main limitation on hull size is sublight thrust, doesn't matter how fast your ship can Warp if it's not capable of moving anywhere when it's not at Warp.
So right now, there's a soft cap of 500kt, in that this is the most mass we can push without completely tanking our manuverability. We can get it a bit higher if we go four engines (Though we need to think very carefully before considering a four thruster arrangement given the cost inflation involved).
Presumably the next generation of Impulse Thrusters are going to be able to push a lot more mass.
So right now, there's a soft cap of 500kt, in that this is the most mass we can push without completely tanking our manuverability. We can get it a bit higher if we go four engines (Though we need to think very carefully before considering a four thruster arrangement given the cost inflation involved).
Presumably the next generation of Impulse Thrusters are going to be able to push a lot more mass.
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[X] Project Miranda (Midweight Generalist)
Given how well the Excalibur performed and the canon Miranda being pretty close to the canon Connie, it should be entirely doable to make a ship capable of going 2-to-1 with the Klingons while having options for hull configurations (like Electronic Warfare or Missile Pods or whatever), all within a relatively affordable package. I love big ships, but given our losses, I think we need the ability to be several places at once in a way some new Dreadnaught wouldn't be able to meet.
Given how well the Excalibur performed and the canon Miranda being pretty close to the canon Connie, it should be entirely doable to make a ship capable of going 2-to-1 with the Klingons while having options for hull configurations (like Electronic Warfare or Missile Pods or whatever), all within a relatively affordable package. I love big ships, but given our losses, I think we need the ability to be several places at once in a way some new Dreadnaught wouldn't be able to meet.
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[X] Project Federation (Heavy Line Cruiser)
Jokes about the Miranda Infestation of Starfleet aside, the canon Miranda was enough of a success to last a century of service, so we don't really need to 'improve' it. The Federation, as far as I can tell though, was a dubiously canon, overly expensive, 3 nacelle boondoggle, and could really be reworked by us into a suitable step between the Excalibur and the Excelsior.
But more importantly, I just don't trust SV with designing a ship whose design brief requires us to save costs by removing areas and choosing a minimal science score.
Jokes about the Miranda Infestation of Starfleet aside, the canon Miranda was enough of a success to last a century of service, so we don't really need to 'improve' it. The Federation, as far as I can tell though, was a dubiously canon, overly expensive, 3 nacelle boondoggle, and could really be reworked by us into a suitable step between the Excalibur and the Excelsior.
But more importantly, I just don't trust SV with designing a ship whose design brief requires us to save costs by removing areas and choosing a minimal science score.