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Honestly, I'm firmly of the opinion that we should keep giving our ships substantial teeth - both because the Federation is essentially going through a Warp 8 Fleet Program, which means every ship that comes out needs to be capable of being used in combat successfully (see also the Newtons being pressed into service as line cruisers - if the Gorn try something similar against the Warp 8 fleet, the Darwins are set up to be much better auxiliary combatants, because they're just as maneuverable, better armed, and better defended).

Not to mention, if we can keep Starfleet from getting too complacent on "design ships that can fight in addition to what they normally do", we might be able to de-rail some of the moments where Starfleet getting complacent led to them getting kicked in the teeth later - see also the Borg and the Dominion War.
 
Steven Kodaly said:
I'll thank you kindly not to be snippy; it's not constructive or otherwise helpful.
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I don't see how a synonym for "Right away" or "Immediately" is snippy. Because it wasn't, I was simply pointing out all our ships need to be able to fight right now or else we will get invaded by someone again and given the state of our fleet we really can't handle that. Another major invasion on the heels of this one would at minimum cause us to lose member worlds either from the invasion itself or the vote of no confidence a world might go through if they see Starfleet as an utterly ineffective fleet or peace time ships unable to defend its constituents from hostile action and a desire to go it alone so they might be able to fight off threats with a better utilization of resources. Either would be disastrous for the Federation as a whole.
Ash19256 said:
Honestly, I'm firmly of the opinion that we should keep giving our ships substantial teeth - both because the Federation is essentially going through a Warp 8 Fleet Program, which means every ship that comes out needs to be capable of being used in combat successfully (see also the Newtons being pressed into service as line cruisers - if the Gorn try something similar against the Warp 8 fleet, the Darwins are set up to be much better auxiliary combatants, because they're just as maneuverable, better armed, and better defended).

Not to mention, if we can keep Starfleet from getting too complacent on "design ships that can fight in addition to what they normally do", we might be able to de-rail some of the moments where Starfleet getting complacent led to them getting kicked in the teeth later - see also the Borg and the Dominion War.
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Basically, although given how entirely obscenely overpowered the Borg are, I doubt that particular beat will be averted. Regardless we are sitting at a time and place where due to a lack of shipframes, a massive expanse of territory and very hostile neighbors every ship has to be able to fight. Because otherwise we are going to get invaded again and even more core world losses and infrastructure losses might fracture the Federation even if the invasion is unsuccessful.
 
I'm honestly surprised that after the trauma of the war, Starfleet didn't want to build a lot of Excaliburs 'just in case'.
 
In regards to giving everything teeth.

We Americans learned the hard way that someone has to be the World Police. The UK took that watch before us, and happily let us take it onto our shoulders.

Starfleet has been reminded that such a watch needs to be stood. And it appears that the constituent members of the UFP can no longer handle that watch. So it is time for Starfleet to be the Quadrant Police. Though unlike America's predecessor, Starfleet's predecessors will be parts of the Quadrant Police.

Thankfully, Starfleet is better than America in the areas of ethics and morals. Sure, there's still some corruption, but most of the ill-intended just find ways to avoid work (including not joining Starfleet) while only the brightest are accepted into Starfleet. Truly, a Post Scarcity Society is a wondrous thing for rooting out corruption.
 
Ash19256 said:
Honestly, I'm firmly of the opinion that we should keep giving our ships substantial teeth - both because the Federation is essentially going through a Warp 8 Fleet Program, which means every ship that comes out needs to be capable of being used in combat successfully (see also the Newtons being pressed into service as line cruisers - if the Gorn try something similar against the Warp 8 fleet, the Darwins are set up to be much better auxiliary combatants, because they're just as maneuverable, better armed, and better defended).
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I agree because what I think this has shown is that Starfleet simply doesn't make enough pure combatants to field a competitive navy, so other ships defacto have to act as a reserve when things go sour.
 
Personally my preference is for Starfleet to build a proper military fleet - Probably among the bigger ships - in order to enable the existence of ships which are (relative) noncombatants.

Instead of forcing every ship to be a combatant.
 
ScyBlade said:
In regards to giving everything teeth.

We Americans learned the hard way that someone has to be the World Police. The UK took that watch before us, and happily let us take it onto our shoulders.

Starfleet has been reminded that such a watch needs to be stood. And it appears that the constituent members of the UFP can no longer handle that watch. So it is time for Starfleet to be the Quadrant Police. Though unlike America's predecessor, Starfleet's predecessors will be parts of the Quadrant Police.

Thankfully, Starfleet is better than America in the areas of ethics and morals. Sure, there's still some corruption, but most of the ill-intended just find ways to avoid work (including not joining Starfleet) while only the brightest are accepted into Starfleet. Truly, a Post Scarcity Society is a wondrous thing for rooting out corruption.
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I mean, the whole idea of being the Quadrant Police kind of runs head first into the Prime Directive. We're not about that. The galaxy doesn't have a 'rules based interstellar order' for someone to enforce, there's no UN or NATO equivalents, it's everyone for themselves. The closest we ever get to the UN is Nimbus III.

And in that light yes, we absolutely need armed ships to defend ourselves and deter opportunism.
 
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