Way too early for a vote. still got an hour 20.
In terms of one or the other. at this point, we've already gone overbudget. may as well design for what if the new BoP is faster than expected. or longevity.
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In terms of one or the other. at this point, we've already gone overbudget. may as well design for what if the new BoP is faster than expected. or longevity.
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Its interesting seeing how the differing ship designs and events are playing out. Really like the blurbs for ship completion it's like reading a encyclopedia/codex. Damn I want a Mass Effect tier Star Trek game...
This Constitution definitely reminds me of a way larger though less advanced Defiant, and I think the Klingons are in for a nasty surprise, and or a 'finally a worthy adversary!' moment? when it becomes operational.
This Constitution definitely reminds me of a way larger though less advanced Defiant, and I think the Klingons are in for a nasty surprise, and or a 'finally a worthy adversary!' moment? when it becomes operational.
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On a side note, if the Constitution class was out for decade already... how does that then work with our tech development history?
I mean, we've pushed some techs almost as quickly as we could. For instance we did not skimp investing in armor/hull much if at all tech wise. But if the class was out that much earlier, that would mean it had Duranium armor before we even got the option to install it in this quest as an experimental tech on the Archer Class.
Did OTL tech get to certain technologies levels shockingly quickly for some reason? And was there anything we could have done to have reached those stages as quickly ourselves? These are the questions I ask myself in this case.
I mean, we've pushed some techs almost as quickly as we could. For instance we did not skimp investing in armor/hull much if at all tech wise. But if the class was out that much earlier, that would mean it had Duranium armor before we even got the option to install it in this quest as an experimental tech on the Archer Class.
Did OTL tech get to certain technologies levels shockingly quickly for some reason? And was there anything we could have done to have reached those stages as quickly ourselves? These are the questions I ask myself in this case.
Eh, most common fanon has them as being Comissioned starting the early/early-mid 2240s.
Probably gonna go ventral, it saves us a decent cost and for fleet actions will allow decent arcs of coverage.
Lmao, quickest vote we've ever had.
Probably gonna go ventral, it saves us a decent cost and for fleet actions will allow decent arcs of coverage.
The desert that is TOS history from a low-resource TV show that didn't really care much about continuity because why would it, it isn't a franchise...it's a rough place to be. But if you'd done the Constitution instead of the Archer you still could have had the classic hull and rapid-fire torpedo, so it's technically viable.
And yeah, fanon generally has it going about 2240. But then again, getting 50 years out of a ship before a refit that rips up basically the entire ship and redoes it instead of just 30 also makes more sense? So it seems rather like a dealer's choice thing.
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TheShadowDeamon
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Sayle's actually drawn a number of different warp cores for various ships so it wouldn't be unprecedented. The new warp core is more detailed though.
It's a terrible history joke on my part. I'll fess up later if nobody calls me on what it is soon.
USS Lightning. This is Torpedo Boat One people.
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I mean, she's gotta be the Defiant-class, right? Weird little gunboat that can outrun and outgun everything else, I think the temporal flexibility is worth it 
UFS, iirc.
Swift wouldn't be a bad choice either, given she's huge and fast (for her time).
HMS Swift (1907) - Wikipedia
"Okay, it's the first run of ships, and you know what that means! Time for the drawing from the hat of names all the department-head admirals put in. The second ship of the Lirpa-class will be...the Saber! Very nice, bladed weapon themed. I like it. The third ship: the Falchion! Curved blade, a good one again. The fourth is...the Racist to Vulcans? Admiral Selak, I can recognise your handwriting. But alright, let's forget that one. The fourth ship will actually be the UFS...Cultural Appropriation? Selak, did you put more than one slip in the hat?"
*lone Vulcan admiral looks stoic, but judgemental*
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I fairness, my own Star Trek (adjacent) quest does use such a mechanic... for ships powered entirely by fusion reactors. With anything exotic like Antimatter having entirely different mechanics, on account of the power generation being effectively "yes" for those. But yeah, the proposed mechanic was very much a narrow focus lightweight solution, since Sayle tends to prefer those historically.
Namewise I am still in favor of "Exigence class" given the situation they're being developed in, with Expedience, Neccessity, Practicality, Compromise, and similar as subsequent ship names. Maybe not quite Culture level of brutal honesty, but just an acknowledgement of the fact that Starfleet doesn't like having to build ships that are warships first and everything else a distant second.
"That's it! It's the Chesapeake now! Are you happy now, Selak?"
*lone Vulcan is still stoic looking but somehow still gives off the air of someone conflicted over another Earth-centric ship name*
Lightning ain't bad. Defiant doesn't tickle my fancy, but I can see why folks would be enthusiastic. Swift is pretty good.
I'm still liking Mechanis' Exigence classname, though.
Edit: ninja'd by the man himself.
I'm still liking Mechanis' Exigence classname, though.
Edit: ninja'd by the man himself.
Good quest. Needs updates.
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But we aren't over budget! We just spent more on engines then we were expected to but we haven't gone "over budget" on the entire ship. Additional cost cutting measure could still see this ship come on or under project budget.
It's based on a joke? What is it? Though, to be honest, a ship class named after rivers gives us a lot of material to work with.
I guess... though that requires being maybe a somewhat generous take on how early the Archer would have been out and a not so generous take on how late exactly the Constitution... And it would then have had been the absolute first Warp 8 ship where the Federation didn't take the extra 10 years on it.
Which implies that we didn't manage to go any faster then OTL Federation tech wise at all then. Aside of maybe the thrusters... which I guess in universe could be in part explained because with the Occupation of Kzin space they could obviously study their manufacturing lines for their drives.
But did OTL Federation just jump on all techs immediately the moment they came available and invest big? I guess that is what I should be taking away from this?
Or I guess alternately that continuity wasn't the best in Star Trek at times.
Ok, so this isn't one of the vote options, but I think it is seriously worth consideration.
100% phaser coverage.
Specifically 100% type 2 phaser coverage.
Seriously. Change the paragram of what phasers are for. They are not the primary weapon. They are the backup. They hit in every direction and give the ship SOMETHING that can hit anything.
Type 2s should be dirt cheap mature tech. We need like 6 to get a total band of coverage.
Do not bother pointing at the enemy ship when the photon Torps are reloading. Focus on dodging and making space to shot Torps again. The phasers are for shooting stuff too small to torpedo or for chip damage against non-primary targets.
The difference in phaser damage in the alpha strike is no so huge it's unacceptable.
And to see the face Starfleet Tactical would give us when the most powerful ship Starfleet ever built completely ignores their fancy new phaser...
100% phaser coverage.
Specifically 100% type 2 phaser coverage.
Seriously. Change the paragram of what phasers are for. They are not the primary weapon. They are the backup. They hit in every direction and give the ship SOMETHING that can hit anything.
Type 2s should be dirt cheap mature tech. We need like 6 to get a total band of coverage.
Do not bother pointing at the enemy ship when the photon Torps are reloading. Focus on dodging and making space to shot Torps again. The phasers are for shooting stuff too small to torpedo or for chip damage against non-primary targets.
The difference in phaser damage in the alpha strike is no so huge it's unacceptable.
And to see the face Starfleet Tactical would give us when the most powerful ship Starfleet ever built completely ignores their fancy new phaser...
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My first bit of feedback would be, this is a lot better than the system we've got now (no offense, I know time to plan things is a finite commodity, you've got stuff to do and 20:20 hindsight makes all things clear).
One thought, what about a little more granularity, and actually have a vote for the robustness of the EPS system that enable more phasers to fire? Like, 2 can fire on any design, but you can also increase the number of phaser emitters that can fire for escalating cost, with a slight additive cost if you have medium or heavy phasers?
That way you can be really cheap and have max 2 phasers, light emitters for something like the Archer-class, whereas a combat frigate could mount medium phasers and able to fire 3 for more bite, or with a huge bulk freighter that's ferrying massively valuable cargo you could give it light phasers to keep costs manageable but make it able to fire 4 phasers at once so that it's immune to pirate and raider attacks.
A battleship could have heavy emitters and could fire 3-4 at once, depending on how much we want to spend (able to fire 4 at once could be very dear, especially if they're heavy emitters, but give the class extreme firepower potential).
My only concern would be the extra workload on you, whether that makes it too complex to be viable. I'd feel awful if this project just became a hassle for you.
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Now here's a left field idea. Forget having phasers fire forward at all, that's what photons are for. Set them up as broadsides instead. The maneuver is align, fire photons, change course and engage with phasers while we duck their counterattack.
There are probably reasons this is bad. But what are they?
There are probably reasons this is bad. But what are they?
Yeah. Depending on how we set them up we can get up to 140 degrees firing arc out the front! Or overlap them if it's worthwhile, but really, if we can't keep our enemies in a 140 degree arc with this kind of maneuver something has gone horribly wrong. And if we can only fire our port or starboard phasers anyway...
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I hate this so much, I knew the speed freaks would waste all the money on the type three and then get stingy on weapons and shields. Can we not just go all in and let it be? I reiterate Warship with no other needs. (We can leave the empty space for a post war refit once the klingons got beaten back.)
Kirk is born 2233, So yes he exists, as for Connie's being to early, the came only in the early 2240s So a few years earlier brought thanks to radically different timeline!