Any kind of ambush or bad battle we can't just bounce out of without serious consequence, of which there will be plenty of in a multi-year interstellar war.
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Chargone
Invisable operator
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- New Zealand
Pretty sure this idea has been... Mostly ignored, whenever it's come up? Might have been addressed at some point that I'm forgetting.
Also, that would have the downside of not being able to hit as far "up" or "down", I believe?
True, but that kind of thing is why we gave it MAX SPEEEEED!
darkstarling
Brilliantly Crazed
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[ ] Ventral Banks (2 Phaser Banks) (Cost 65 -> 73) [Second Tranche: 62 -> 70]
Agreeing with everyone saying that we've got devastating damage and maneuverability and now we need to cut costs. Similarly, our aft firing armament should be minimal.
8 cost saving here, minimal rear armament for another few, and reduced shielding should get us a nasty strike craft. Of those options, the shield is the one we want to reduce least but all are options.
Agreeing with everyone saying that we've got devastating damage and maneuverability and now we need to cut costs. Similarly, our aft firing armament should be minimal.
8 cost saving here, minimal rear armament for another few, and reduced shielding should get us a nasty strike craft. Of those options, the shield is the one we want to reduce least but all are options.
Why the Chesapeake? I'm always up for a good name discussion ^^
Darn, that's worrying actually. We don't want an underpowered racehorse. I'm still willing to skim on the phasers and aft armament but it is irksome.
I would expect that having a wider firing arc would be an indirect buff to evasion, since the ship can spend a larger percentage of time on evasion while still being able to fire on the enemy, as opposed to having to be flying towards the target to fire.
Whether that's modelled (or I'm right, for that matter) is a different question.
Whether that's modelled (or I'm right, for that matter) is a different question.
Evasion is separate, but single target and multi-target damage are calculated separately. With multi-target obviously being better for fleet battles, which does encourage us to get some aft and bow leaning broadside phaser coverage at least.
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darkstarling
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Extremely heavy forward weaponry and minimal rear also worked for Sisko's Fist. So we've got precedent for a successful dedicated Federation warship with this kind of design philosophy.
And we'll have more space than the Defiant too, so we may get our five year mission yet!
And we'll have more space than the Defiant too, so we may get our five year mission yet!
That certainly makes sense to me, or to put it another way wider firing arcs means that maneuver is less in conflict with firepower.
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I guess if its a place you can't withdraw from, that could happen. Though one would have to weigh it against the opportunity of getting one or two more ships. As obviously having an extra ship around would also be helpful for such situations.
Because if we're making a few tranches of this vessel we need a class theme with plenty of potential names to pick from. And Earth has plenty of rivers to pick from. The UFS Thames, the UFS Potomac, etc.
Wrt rear facing weapons, maybe 1 Phaser Bank. A Bank hits as hard as a Type-1 Photon these days anyway, and would be much harder to dodge in a Warp speed sternchase.
Ignoring Discovery/Strange New Worlds, the best indication is that the Connie was forty years old in 2260. If anything you're building it late.
I think *now* is a bad time to go cheap. We've made a quality boat, trying to halfway it to cheap will just backfire.
Hmm. Thinking about it, a possible justification for more-shooty big ships, that doesn't even involve power generation/distribution: cooling. Big ships can afford the space to mount larger & more comprehensive cooling systems, and so can maintain a higher rate of fire w/o melting themselves.
Would still allow for smaller ships to mount extra-powerful weapons, at the expense of devoting much of their volume to heat management.*
Of course, it wouldn't necessarily fit in with this quest, as I'm pretty sure the canon Trek answer is "Waste heat, what's that? Yeah sure, we'll just *cough* *mumble* subspace. Don't worry about it."
* This might open interesting narrative possibilities, as a small combat ship that's 80% cooling array by weight could pull some interesting thermal tricks. Like hiding in the corona of a star.
And I found a source saying that the construction on the first Constitution didn't start until 2239 and the class didn't begin service until 2245.
darkstarling
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By the way, when all is said and done, I'm definitely going to be curious to see a comparison between this quest's stats for a canon Constitution and the one we made.
Endorfinator
Awkwardly Social
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We need to cost cut, I think this is the place to do it. Under the current paradigm our phasers are best used to prevent shields for regenerating.
[ ] Ventral Banks (2 Phaser Banks) (Cost 65 -> 73) [Second Tranche: 62 -> 70]
[ ] Ventral Banks (2 Phaser Banks) (Cost 65 -> 73) [Second Tranche: 62 -> 70]
Mechanis
Confirmed Extremely Screwed
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Er no? the premise was "this is how much power the EPS can handle spiking to the phasers under combat conditions". it is a system explicitly ignorant of all power consumption that is not the phasers, because it on face assumes all that has already been subtracted by default. And again, the in universe (Watsonian) explanation was explicitly "The EPS grid cannot move enough energy through it to power more than X phasers at once". total generation (rightfully so!) never even came into the equation at all.
Anyway.
the four phasers is tempting, but cutting here saves as much as my preferred engine configuration would, so I'm going to have to say only two banks here. We have to cut cost somewhere and I'll be darned if it's in survivability by penny pinching on shields.
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Perhaps, this is Hell
[ ] Ventral Banks (2 Phaser Banks) (Cost 65 -> 73) [Second Tranche: 62 -> 70]
The canon Enterprise got by with just ventral phasers, and we are way faster, I think we'll do fine.
Worst comes to worst the TMP refit added like twelve phasers so we could probably do the same in due time.
The canon Enterprise got by with just ventral phasers, and we are way faster, I think we'll do fine.
Worst comes to worst the TMP refit added like twelve phasers so we could probably do the same in due time.
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Oh, fair enough! Mea culpa in that case, I clearly misread.