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undead frog said:
Sabrina's abilities are very much the kind of thing that would be horrifying to face on a villainus magical girl.

Like pretty much instant 'hero killer' territory if the user isn't offed before they can do anything.

Thankfully not 'only the author can save them now' levels of busted but still waaaaay beyond the typical antagonist.
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Sabrina can, at any instant, sterilize all potential for life as we know it within an area that expands outward at the speed of light, indefinitely. She can do this without witching out, without intrinsically killing herself, and frankly it doesn't even cost much Grief. She can also scale down to "merely" sterilizing the entire solar system, or "merely" blowing up the planet, or even down to just burning the surface or blowing up an entire city.

It is, in fact, one of the hardest things Sabrina can do, to take down an opponent without dealing lasting harm. She has an excessive overabundance of combat lethality, to the point that further work on it is a matter of recreation.
Grey Rook said:
Honestly, I think you gave up too soon. Sabrina's story isn't about whether she'll win any given fight, because she almost definitely will. The question is what the consequences of that victory will be, and how bad the collateral turns out. As was noted above, the greatest threat to her is really herself.
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There were many other issues that went into it than that, and more that came up well after it ended. Also, frankly, Worm sucks.
 
Godwinson said:
Sabrina can, at any instant, sterilize all potential for life as we know it within an area that expands outward at the speed of light, indefinitely. She can do this without witching out, without intrinsically killing herself, and frankly it doesn't even cost much Grief.
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Oh, god, right, the false vacuum bomb. That's been floating around since Asuka Quest, IIRC.
 
Grey Rook said:
Considering that (IIRC) it has been stated that Sabrina could play 'nuclear baseball' at will or 'break the planet in half from a standing start', I'd say that yes, it does.
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Now you say we could crack the planet in 'alf [sic], but using the contours of our control range how far outside it could we project blades of energy/matter before they just become explosions? I think we could blow the planet apart, but nothing so controlled as in half.

Actually forget that I wonder if gold is more enchantable due to its ductility? Also I wonder if Homura could enchant bullets that are stronger than what Mami can make alone (or if Kyouko could make arrow sized spears that would be stronger than normal arrows).

Edit: maybe we could make a spider mech using Kyouko's spears as sticks, Mami's ribbons as muscle, combined with Sayaka's Blades to form dangerous arms, all assembled on metal scaffolds rooted to solid grief in our control range to hold it in place during assembly? It makes me think about the spider mech in Wild Wild West.
 
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Godwinson said:
It is, in fact, one of the hardest things Sabrina can do, to take down an opponent without dealing lasting harm. She has an excessive overabundance of combat lethality, to the point that further work on it is a matter of recreation.
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Wonder how many other magical girls actually realize that.

.... Homura definitly by this point and I think Kyoko is a probably after her aforementioned taking the Sōjus apart.

Kinda hard to not notice when your goober of a friend shows up and mauls the boss fight like that.
 
undead frog said:
Wonder how many other magical girls actually realize that.

.... Homura definitly by this point and I think Kyoko is a probably after her aforementioned taking the Sōjus apart.

Kinda hard to not notice when your goober of a friend shows up and mauls the boss fight like that.
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Yuki definitely does, after that spar we had with her, or if not then, then after we told her what we'd do if we hadn't been worried about collateral damage.
 
JIMI94 said:
Edit: maybe we could make a spider mech using Kyouko's spears as sticks, Mami's ribbons as muscle, combined with Sayaka's Blades to form dangerous arms, all assembled on metal scaffolds rooted to solid grief in our control range to hold it in place during assembly? It makes me think about the spider mech in Wild Wild West.
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we are a giant spider
 
The claim was not that we're a giant robot, it was that we're a giant spider, and 100 meters is quite large for a spider.

Also, our radius is 100 meters, making our diameter 200.
 
Could have a hundred meter radius central body, with spider-limb waldoes made of relatively conventional matter - steel trusses scavenged from construction / shipyard cranes, for example - extending beyond that.
 
We could definitely work with the other magical girls, like the metal telekinesis one (forgot her name) to make a giant spider crab with a 100-meter-radius body and enormous limbs using grief, mundane material and magic.

Alsoo, I think we should definitely find some free time and empty enough place and just, test the absolute extent of absurdity our magical body can get up to. Bonus points if we enhance it with grief, to completely break the mundane human expectations and test our physical limits.

[X] Say something more? (Write-in)
-[X] Grumble about how angels being a human with two wings isn't even biblically accurate and that stereotype is ruining things for regular winged people
[x] Continue on until lunch
-[x] Vent about having emotions
--[x] In private, to Mami
 
Rinya said:
Alsoo, I think we should definitely find some free time and empty enough place and just, test the absolute extent of absurdity our magical body can get up to. Bonus points if we enhance it with grief, to completely break the mundane human expectations and test our physical limits.
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Bad idea, pushing the limits of Grief sees the world break before we even get close.

And anyway, the issue that Kyouko was commenting on wasn't that Sabrina wasn't pushing what she could do, its that her instincts in a fight are based entirely around what's physically possible for a human. Going about trying to change that by way of 'testing our physical limits' is just going to be reinforcing the fundamental problem in Sabrina's mindset -- magic doesn't give a fuck about physical limits or consistency, it's driven by expectation, intuition, and emotional relevance, both individually and collectively. Magic works off of something closer to narrative causality than the conventional conceptualization of physics, and it's one that Sabrina can't bluff because her own expectations are part of it.
 
Shadowhisker said:
Oh, god, right, the false vacuum bomb. That's been floating around since Asuka Quest, IIRC.
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I remember reading when they figured that one out.

I think they actually gave the MAGI, a trio of supercomputers more than likely running on the copied neural tissue of a fetal god, a headache.

Good times.

On to more on topic matters, if Sabrina has shit like that in her back pocket what's stopping her from just, well, deleting Walpurgisnacht when it shows up?

I'm assuming something like collateral damage/the inability to stop it propagating from the initial burst but I'm not really a part of the ongoing discussions that happen after the updates so I don't know if this technically falls out of Sabrina's "Control all Grief" umbrella if her grief is the thing that causes it.

Also I'm a bit too paranoid (traumatized) by other games to accurately read the tone of this quest by the GM's own admission.

Therefore if you guys figured out how to do a sufficiently big boom why is giant scary witch still a problem?
 
Evaunit02mark1 said:
I remember reading when they figured that one out.

I think they actually gave the MAGI, a trio of supercomputers more than likely running on the copied neural tissue of a fetal god, a headache.

Good times.

On to more on topic matters, if Sabrina has shit like that in her back pocket what's stopping her from just, well, deleting Walpurgisnacht when it shows up?

I'm assuming something like collateral damage/the inability to stop it propagating from the initial burst but I'm not really a part of the ongoing discussions that happen after the updates so I don't know if this technically falls out of Sabrina's "Control all Grief" umbrella if her grief is the thing that causes it.

Also I'm a bit too paranoid (traumatized) by other games to accurately read the tone of this quest by the GM's own admission.

Therefore if you guys figured out how to do a sufficiently big boom why is giant scary witch still a problem?
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Two things. First, collateral damage is absolutely a concern. Second, our mastery over mundane physics is via Grief. Witches are made of Grief, and so are likely only as vulnerable to wholly nonmagical forces as they expect to be.

We're assembling a big damn force of magical girls so that we can both bring a lot of magical power to bear and so that we're playing into a narrative inversion of Walpurgisnacht's usual approach.

TL;DR: Disregard biggatons, obtain victory through friends and emotional health.
 
No more friendship!

No more fixing shit!

EVERYTHING SUCKS FOREVER!!!

Sabrina Vee is DEAD!!!!111!!!!1

All HAIL ANNITA ILL!!!!

Her magical weapon is her throwing rusty nails at you! Thinks science is for boring nerds and ignored the truancy officer!!!! She used her wish to make girls despair 1.3% faster!!!!

She hates Kyoko for looking like her and thinks Mami's cooking is trash!!!

She told Madoka her hair is stupid!!!! And also cut Homura's hair while she wasnt looking!!!! She also got Sayaka cancelled!!!!

SHE FULLY SUPPORTS INCUBATORS AND WANTS TO MAKE KYUBEY PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSE!!!!!

AND YES THOSE IMAGES ARE AI!!! AI FOR ANNITA ILL!!!! (Sadly for AI, not even the funny day can save you from the police, she was arrested and now serves a life sentence.)
 
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Yeah but Gunbuster is 240m tall and also what if we need more room in the spider bot for a hot-tub? #Old replys

Actually wait can't we just make a car out of grief? Like we could probably ape leather facades and turning (if not just only actively powering the engine and letting the rest just be compressed grief like we just magically 3-D printed at the atomic level all the parts already assembled perfectly? Actually if we made sure the physical properties were correct we could probably make it actually run like a car so long as we did up all the parts close enough. This of course would be so we can do the cool crime of driving without a license (but secretly because we're also performing the even cooler crime of having a hacker made one/one that is just an enchanted paper that says 'this is not the teenager you are looking for' if you aren't magic) and also so Sabrina can wow Mami's classmates by picking her up at school (if the Truancy officer asks we can just demonstrate we're not actually driving a car and have also memorized the drivers manual and follow all applicable laws while on the road with the ability to immediately prevent any accident in 100m of us. Really it's actually immoral for us not to be driving so we can prevent any accidents).

Wait here's another I just realized since grief is able to split infinitely we could make invisible objects by just making it so it's transparent to visible light but actually solid. We could do a great mime routine. Finally while I do think it would be cool to have a big showdown I also wouldn't be surprised if Walmart Night immediately folds when Tiro Nonstop-infinite Finale smacks into her. Like unless the Incubators start directly souping it up by throwing grief seeds at it I don't think it has infinite power and I think we've already checked quite a few boxes by just keeping everyone alive and Madoka uncontracted. It certainly doesn't hurt to have a dozen or so other girls backing us up though.

Either way happy April 1st everyone I'm tired af and goodnight (or good morning technically).
 
Godwinson said:
Bad idea, pushing the limits of Grief sees the world break before we even get close.

And anyway, the issue that Kyouko was commenting on wasn't that Sabrina wasn't pushing what she could do, its that her instincts in a fight are based entirely around what's physically possible for a human. Going about trying to change that by way of 'testing our physical limits' is just going to be reinforcing the fundamental problem in Sabrina's mindset -- magic doesn't give a fuck about physical limits or consistency, it's driven by expectation, intuition, and emotional relevance, both individually and collectively. Magic works off of something closer to narrative causality than the conventional conceptualization of physics, and it's one that Sabrina can't bluff because her own expectations are part of it.
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Ahh, that makes a lotta sense yeah.
Actually the more I think about the more I realise there isn't even much of a point, kyoko's right. Sabrina doesnt even need fighting skills much, if at all x3

But she does need crab. It is the final goal of evolution, and thus the ultimate counter to entropy! Or something.
 
I'd really like for us to try emulating Yuma, or any other specific magical girl, to see if the problem isn't that we can't fight as a magical girl, but that we are trying to do what comes naturally and meguca combat is far from natural. Right now, a quick spar could prove whether what we're lacking is simply the right frame of mind.


Evaunit02mark1 said:
On to more on topic matters, if Sabrina has shit like that in her back pocket what's stopping her from just, well, deleting Walpurgisnacht when it shows up?
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Sabrina has already stated in the story that she has to fight against the Witch to grab their Grief. She can win against ordinary Witches, but worries that a battle of wills against one of, if not the, strongest Witches in the world. Essentially, no, we can't cheat like that.
 
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