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Cursed idea: PMAS AU where all the different MG teams involved are different gens in a Magical Girl themed Vtuber agency. For the Mitakihara Group:
  • Mami as the first debuted senpai. Gradually dropped most of the initial "Heroine of Justice MG" characterization to be a Seiso big sister character. Prefers to do cooking and ASMR streams.
  • Sayaka is the only girl that at least still tries to play along to being a MG, but this just makes her a meme as a only-sane-girl character that ends up getting exasperated by her genmates' quirks.
  • Homura as the girl that gets introduced as a cold and dark MG character, only to be revealed as a complete mess that quickly devolves into panic whenever something goes wrong. Mostly plays FPS or horror games.
  • Madoka as an unseen character that only appears on-steam in chat or voice-only calls. Gradually revealed from Sayaka's stories to be a friend that originally applied to the agency at the same time, but only one was accepted. Shipped by the fans with both Sayaka and Homura, due to also appearing in Homura's streams and mentions of them hanging out IRL. Pretty much an unoffical genmate at this point, has constant rumors of actually joining and getting a model.
  • QB is the nickname of a high ranking executive in the agency. Noted to regularly try to screw over the talents. Get blamed for everything that goes wrong. "God Dammit QB" is a meme.
  • Sabrina isn't actually a talent, but the manager of the team. She does have an avatar that she uses to make apperances as a particpant in streams, or to host announcments/Q&A sessions. Most well-known for her skill at IT and resolving technial issues, which gets referred to as "removing grief/curses" or "defeating witches", with memes by fans portraying her as a god-like OP MG. Get shipped with Mami a lot, after making a surprise apperrance off-screen during a stream, which mades people theorize that they're roomates.
 
I hate how much I love this idea.

Also oh my cod they were roommates wait a minute that's canon nevermind
 
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Another thing that can be pointed out to Kyouko how a witch ended up spawning in her father's church (As I point out in my own story). It doesn't make sense for that to be a random thing, and I'm of the opinion that that was QB putting his paw on the scale to get his preferred 'Mami the lonely MG idol/teacher' and getting rid of Kyouko that way. In fact, he nearly managed it; if that one witch hadn't dropped a grief seed, Kyould be out for certain.
 
I feel weird for asking this but have Sabrina and Mami ever kissed each other, like, on the mouth? I've been rereading and they've never gone over cheek kisses from what I remember

If it's because Firn wants to be restrained about writing teenage PDA that's fine, I'm just curious
 
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Seraviel said:
Another thing that can be pointed out to Kyouko how a witch ended up spawning in her father's church (As I point out in my own story). It doesn't make sense for that to be a random thing, and I'm of the opinion that that was QB putting his paw on the scale to get his preferred 'Mami the lonely MG idol/teacher' and getting rid of Kyouko that way. In fact, he nearly managed it; if that one witch hadn't dropped a grief seed, Kyould be out for certain.
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Its also been noted that Kyubey considers mind wiping non meguca standard procedure, which is what he did with Sayaka's parents after the fire, but not what he did with Kyouko's dad after he found out. In other words, Kyubey went against his own procedure to make sure Kyouko's father reacted badly, after he probably placed that witch their in the first place, and possibly made some ruckus to alert her dad.
StellarMonarch said:
I feel weird for asking this but have Sabrina and Mami ever kissed each other, like, on the mouth? I've been rereading and they've never gone over cheek kisses from what I remember
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They haven't, and Firn doesn't want us to vote to.
 
[x] Lunch!
- [x] Talk about the Soujus
-- [x] They think you're an angel, which makes them very receptive to anything you tell them, but it feels gross to take advantage of. Maybe people who they don't worship should take the lead on this pretty please.
-- [x] Talk about housing their victims
--- [x] Hitomi, don't you dare buy each of them a luxury apartment.
--- [x] Since most of them presumably had lives that they'd like to get back to, depending on the rate that Niko can recover them we might be able to put them up in our or Asunaro's guest rooms while they work out how to do that.
---- [x] For the ones that stick around, now's the perfect time to get started on the Best Exotic Mamigold Hotel. You've been thinking of asking the Sendai University Group's plant girl to grow a Telvanni apartment building.
- [x] Other discussion topics?
-- [x] Tokyo.
--- [x] Madoka and Hitomi know there's another infohazard. Homura agreed to a long lunch so we'd have time to talk about this and possibly discuss revealing more information to Madoka in the name of avoiding a wish.
--- [x] See if Homura will agree to Sabrina explicitly offering to tell Madoka everything if the alternative is her wishing in ignorance.
--- [x] Madoka's potential is high enough that she ended the world in one timeline. Madoka should know that's a risk, even if we don't give details on how. She should know it's not just her own life she'd be risking by contracting. Madoka is selfless, and we all know she'd weigh a risk to other people more strongly than one to herself.

As for meddling in Kyoko's love life for the sake of building polycules, Sayaka is the more obvious starting point there. Sayaka and Hitomi agree to share Kyosuke, then Kyoko and Kyosuke agree to share Sayaka. Only after that is settled should we even consider broaching the far more delicate issues of Sabrina and Kyoko sharing Mami and Mami and Warehouse-kun sharing Sabrina.
 
Please don't try to fit Kyouko into polycules, with or without Sabrina, as if it was just a puzzle to be solved.
Polyamory as a solution to this love triangle would require the node of the triangle to actually realize there's anything happening and Kyousuke is married to his violin.

I do think repeatedly throwing Sayaka at Kyouko will work eventually, I'm not certain the 12 days we have until Walpurgisnacht would be enough.

[X]Torgamous
 
GallalameBlook said:
Please don't try to fit Kyouko into polycules, with or without Sabrina, as if it was just a puzzle to be solved.
Polyamory as a solution to this love triangle would require the node of the triangle to actually realize there's anything happening and Kyousuke is married to his violin.

I do think repeatedly throwing Sayaka at Kyouko will work eventually, I'm not certain the 12 days we have until Walpurgisnacht would be enough.
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Like you said, I don't think we should try to orchestrate others's love lives. To be honest, I'm not sure if Sayaka X Kyouko would actually work here- the context and all that.

It's not particularly our business, after all.
 
We know that a different timeline Kyoko and Sayaka wound up close enough for Kyoko to deliberately shatter her own soulgem when Sayaka Witched out. Trying to force a Mami x Kyoko x Sabrina relationship can't really happen in an organic way with where the characters are, on top of it not being a particularly good idea in and of itself. I enjoy a good romance, but I don't see a way to make this polycule idea as an actual good romance.

I'm asexual but not aromantic, so that may be coloring my perspective on things, but I can say that I definitely won't be voting for plans to force a relationship here. Getting Mami and Kyoko some alone time to bond as friends? I'll vote for that. Trying to convince Kyoko to join us as a romantic partner? No.
 
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Wyrd said:
We know that a different timeline Kyoko and Sayaka wound up close enough for Kyoko to deliberately shatter her own soulgem when Sayaka Witched out. Trying to force a Mami x Kyoko x Sabrina relationship can't really happen in an organic way with where the characters are, on top of it not being a particularly good idea in and of itself. I enjoy a good romance, but I don't see a way to make this polycule idea as an actual good romance.

I'm asexual but not aromantic, so that may be coloring my perspective on things, but I can say that I definitely won't be voting for plans to force a relationship here. Getting Mami and Kyoko some alone time to bond as friends? I'll vote for that. Trying to convince Kyoko to join us as a romantic partner? No.
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I'm aroace so perhaps I missed a cue, but as far as I can tell, Kyouko has never showed any interest in Sabrina. I've gotta agree with you there honestly.
 
For the record, I am going strictly for comedy value whenever I refer to us trying to manage anyone's relationships except Sabrina's own relationship with Mami.

The only time I've made a serious comment on that was a while back when I noted we should mention poly relationships are an option to Sayaka in the event that she starts getting into weird love triangle drama whether involving Kyosuke and Hitomi or Kyosuke and Kyoko, just in case the only problem is that she hadn't considered it rather than because it simply isn't something she wants. And that was only pointing out the option, since only Sayaka can say what Sayaka wants, etc.

Trying to manipulate our friends' relationships is a terrible idea. We can offer support and an outside perspective, but we can't really get much deeper than that. Hell, we aren't even in on the gossip sessions where we'd hear what Sayaka and Hitomi see in Kyosuke to begin with, which I should think would be the bare minimum to even consider giving them meaningful advice beyond "maybe don't sell your soul to heal him when you can get him healed for free".
 
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Norad the Borad said:
I'm aroace so perhaps I missed a cue, but as far as I can tell, Kyouko has never showed any interest in Sabrina. I've gotta agree with you there honestly.
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Sabrina has never shown any interest in Kyoko either. Just look at how many Mumis people posted even before they started dating and compare that to how many Kyokos people have posted ever. Two of the three members of the proposed polycule don't have a strong attachment to them, which is a major issue for it.

Like, look at the Saints. Part of what makes them work is that Kazumi has a charisma stat of 10, but the other part is that they all have really strong attachments to each other, so much so that they're dating each other as much as they're dating Kazumi. Sabrina and Kyoko just don't have that kind of connection

Its even worse when you take Kyoko's pride and insecurity into account. She would feel like she's third wheeling in Sabrina and Mami's relationship, and she'd feel like its some kind of charity case, which it kind of would be because we're only considering doing this as a way of making Kyoko feel better, rather than doing it simply because we want too.
 
While I agree that looking to ship Sabrina and Kyouko is a problem for a lot of reasons, I feel the need to point out that polyamorous relationships don't need to have everyone involved being involved with everyone else. If -- and to repeat for emphasis, IF -- that's something that Mami and Kyouko decide that they might want to do, it is entirely possible to have a healthy and happy relationship where Mami is involved with both Sabrina and Kyouko, but Sabrina and Kyouko are not involved with one another.
 
You are all silly.

Just write an omake with whatever crackship you have for our enjoyment, like any fan do since Fandom existed.
 
Godwinson said:
While I agree that looking to ship Sabrina and Kyouko is a problem for a lot of reasons, I feel the need to point out that polyamorous relationships don't need to have everyone involved being involved with everyone else. If -- and to repeat for emphasis, IF -- that's something that Mami and Kyouko decide that they might want to do, it is entirely possible to have a healthy and happy relationship where Mami is involved with both Sabrina and Kyouko, but Sabrina and Kyouko are not involved with one another.
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And the traditional shape for that is a V, so it's Even technically on Brand :p
 
Clearly the best way to get with Kyouko is through Sayaka. We already are her waifu so let's get in on that polyamory already. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this plan in any way shape or form! Nothing could possibly go wrong! We can just add Kasumi and her group to the mix as well! It's not like we have anything to lose or worry about. We certainly don't have any other plans or commitments to deal with before expanding our relationships. /s
 
I reiterate my opinions:

1. You are not Kazumi
2. The following meme template (blueprint):

Mitakihara Polyamory : Sabrina V: Nah, fam.

Mitakihara Polyarmory: Sayaka & Homura: Bruh.
 
Jonen C said:
Mitakihara Polyarmory: Sayaka & Homura: Bruh.
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I'm not sure why you put Sayaka down, as quite obviously she's going to wind up dating both Kyoko and Hitomi. :V

On a more serious note, I'm not even sure if we could ever talk to Kyoko about her crush on Mami. The best we can probably do is tell her to talk to someone else. Maybe Masami and Hiroko? They know Mami, they know some things about accepting one's self as a lesbian, and Kyoko will probably be more inclined to listen to another student of Mami - a peer.
 
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While I agree that looking to ship Sabrina and Kyouko is a problem for a lot of reasons, I feel the need to point out that polyamorous relationships don't need to have everyone involved being involved with everyone else. If -- and to repeat for emphasis, IF -- that's something that Mami and Kyouko decide that they might want to do, it is entirely possible to have a healthy and happy relationship where Mami is involved with both Sabrina and Kyouko, but Sabrina and Kyouko are not involved with one another.
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Okay yeah I wasn't aware of this because idk how it works, thanks for the correction.
 
ltmauve said:
I'm not sure why you put Sayaka down, as quite obviously she's going to wind up dating both Kyoko and Hitomi. :V

On a more serious note, I'm not even sure if we could ever talk to Kyoko about her crush on Mami. The best we can probably do is tell her to talk to someone else. Maybe Masami and Hiroko? They know Mami, they know some things about accepting one's self as a lesbian, and Kyoko will probably be more inclined to listen to another student of Mami - a peer.
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Why do you think she made a point of coming along to talk to Kazumi in the first place? Honestly, she would've been my go-to on this subject too for all the reasons you addressed above.

What I think Sabrina can personally offer Kyoko is acceptance, and our adamant refusal to let her insult our friend Kyoko, who despite our differences and misunderstandings, we care about a lot.

My main worry regarding the Witchbomb with Kyoko is that it'll reinforce the idea that she sold her soul to the devil and will be facing an eternity in hell for her sins. And that she'll conclude this is correct, that it is what she deserves. And that can not be on. Both because no one deserves this, and because Kyoko is a good person. So even if we accepted this was okay for a bad person to suffer like this (which we do not), Kyoko is not a bad person, so she doubly does not deserve that fate.

We may not be able to get at the root of her feelings about Mami, due to how much our presence is complicating things, but we might have better luck chipping away at the moral and philosophical foundations of her self-loathing.

Kyoko's smart, and her self-justifications are deeply rooted, but I for one, feel much more confident getting into the weeds with her and debating the morality of hell than I ever did, for example, trying to unravel the cultural beliefs that make the lichbomb so uniquely traumatic to our friends that I only know are even a thing thanks to my interaction with this fandom.

It might also be worth trying to track down some of the former members of Pastor Sakura's congregation. Learn what exactly it was that he was preaching that lost him his flock in the first place and maybe get a sense for how things changed when he unknowingly got mind control powers. Plus, maybe see if any of them are still under his influence.

We did recently work out that Feathers is likely a consequence of an out of control Wish running around doing things on her own. If Kyoko's wish is still having active effects on people, tracking those people down and working out how to free them from those effects would double as a redemption arc for the sake of Kyoko gaining some peace and as a trial run for how we're going to get Feathers to play ball with our agenda to break harmful systems and save people.
 
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