Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Kyushu is the bottom left island. Osaka is on the other side of the bottom middle island from it.
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The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
Kyushu is that big island at the far end of Japan. Osaka isn't too close to it. There's also the possibility that the grief controller was a person named Osaka. Regardless, Hatsumi is unlikely to be that person in either case.
For my part, the big immediate question is whether she's worried about what she is, or what she's done.
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- Location
- Not the asylum anymore
- Pronouns
- She/Her
That is a good question. How do we ask it, though? Too blunt, and we might come off as hostile.
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
- Pronouns
- She/Her
We've made peace with Sendai and Fukushima and they've doubtlessly caused their share of witchouts. Unless she'll continue doing what she's done when the economic incentive is removed I don't think we have a problem. We should probably put this place near the top of our triage though.
DB_Explorer
Purveyor of alternate realities.
- Location
- San Diego, California
- Pronouns
- He/Him
....uuuuuum huuuuh
Maybe this is SBs grief controller : p
Maybe this is SBs grief controller : p
blast flame
How far will we go if it means lighting the way?
- Location
- Perth, Australia
- Pronouns
- They/Them
[
] I'm the reason you're not getting turned into a horrifying shade in the near future. You're welcome.
] I'm the reason you're not getting turned into a horrifying shade in the near future. You're welcome.
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Battleship_Fusou
(The Itty-Bitty Pretty Battleship Kitty)
- Location
- Surigao Strait
While true, that is horrifyingly inappropriate I feel and something we should probably stay away from.[
It's quite possible that said meguca is quite horrified of her own powers and is actually a decent person. A clear seed might be the best thing we could do to help her because then she wouldn't need to dump the grief into someone's soul gem.
- Location
- Somewhere up the tree
god I just want to hug sayaka. guess we overreacted somewhat. guess "has a hard time trusting people other than herself" is also among out character flaws
but anyways, grief controller, from what we've heard we're the only 'true' grief controller basically ever, what with full control and ability to break the corruption. which means that this girl isn't,
that could mean all sorts of things anyways, not just that she is able to sift grief from one soul gem to another, not being able to break the system could mean that she can do what we can do, but with a much higher magic cost to the point it isn't profitable
now the question is whether she's worried about us because of the reputation that grief controllers have, or due to doing some of the things we've been told grief controllers do, witching people out and scamming others
I'd like to give her the benefit of the doubt and say that she likely hasn't done anything like that, after all this IRC seems to be firmly on her side to the point of being ready to protect her from us. I doubt scamming them or other unsavory activities would encourage such a response.
but anyways, grief controller, from what we've heard we're the only 'true' grief controller basically ever, what with full control and ability to break the corruption. which means that this girl isn't,
that could mean all sorts of things anyways, not just that she is able to sift grief from one soul gem to another, not being able to break the system could mean that she can do what we can do, but with a much higher magic cost to the point it isn't profitable
now the question is whether she's worried about us because of the reputation that grief controllers have, or due to doing some of the things we've been told grief controllers do, witching people out and scamming others
I'd like to give her the benefit of the doubt and say that she likely hasn't done anything like that, after all this IRC seems to be firmly on her side to the point of being ready to protect her from us. I doubt scamming them or other unsavory activities would encourage such a response.
- Location
- ⇙
I wonder what rumors are going around in regards to Sabrina? Maybe there's a highlander rumor for grief controllers?
blast flame
How far will we go if it means lighting the way?
- Location
- Perth, Australia
- Pronouns
- They/Them
It was a joke hence the
. I recognise that it would actually be a terrible thing to say.
kinigget
Best Demon
- Location
- People's Republic of Portland
...right then
Imma leave before I get dragged into another moral debate and threadbanned again
Honestly the only reason I've stuck around after The Incident was to spite Ugolino and that's not a good reason
So yeah, probably not gonna come back.
Imma leave before I get dragged into another moral debate and threadbanned again
Honestly the only reason I've stuck around after The Incident was to spite Ugolino and that's not a good reason
So yeah, probably not gonna come back.
blast flame
How far will we go if it means lighting the way?
- Location
- Perth, Australia
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Sorry, I just meant my post as a joke. I'll drop it now.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
I mean, you can leave if you want, but I don't see why there needs to be a morality debate at all here?
If she's a decent person then we shouldn't have any issues with her at all - just hand her two or three Clear Seeds and she can go do Sabrina-Lite things in southern Japan.
DB_Explorer
Purveyor of alternate realities.
- Location
- San Diego, California
- Pronouns
- He/Him
First thought is - why would it be a problem? Your powers don't decide if your good or bad, how you use them does.
Unless you have to go highlander on other grief users... Mami won't like me without my head. Really she's very sensitive on the topic of decapitation.
Unless you have to go highlander on other grief users... Mami won't like me without my head. Really she's very sensitive on the topic of decapitation.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
[x] Yea, you're a grief controller.
-[x] Your potential was over 9000 tho, so you can keep the grief hovering around you and cleanse yourself instead of shuffling it between souls.
--[x] Nadia can confirm that.
[x] You don't have anything against other grief controllers as long as they aren't dicks, and even then you can understand being dickish when it's necessary to survive.
-[x] You can pull all the grief out of a Grief Seed to make a "Clear Seed", and you've been freely sharing those with groups that promise not to be asshats and not to take over the world with infinite magic.
--[x] Nadia can confirm that too. Do they want in?
-[x] Your potential was over 9000 tho, so you can keep the grief hovering around you and cleanse yourself instead of shuffling it between souls.
--[x] Nadia can confirm that.
[x] You don't have anything against other grief controllers as long as they aren't dicks, and even then you can understand being dickish when it's necessary to survive.
-[x] You can pull all the grief out of a Grief Seed to make a "Clear Seed", and you've been freely sharing those with groups that promise not to be asshats and not to take over the world with infinite magic.
--[x] Nadia can confirm that too. Do they want in?
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- Location
- USA
Ideally we could hand her a clear seed into which she could transfer grief from gems and seeds, acting as that regional cleansing base station.
I like Redshirt's vote but would like to see Torg's question answered directly too.
[x] Yea, you're a grief controller.
-[x] Your potential was over 9000 tho, so you can keep the grief hovering around you and cleanse yourself instead of shuffling it between souls.
--[x] Nadia can confirm that.
-[x] If she doesn't mind explaining, how do her powers work? What can she do with them? Has she managed to extend them, and how?
--[x] If asked why, say that we're interested in what others have managed with their power set, especially because this is our first time talking with another grief controller.
[x] You don't have anything against other grief controllers as long as they aren't dicks, and even then you can understand being dickish when it's necessary to survive.
-[x] You can pull all the grief out of a Grief Seed to make a "Clear Seed", and you've been freely sharing those with groups that promise not to be asshats and not to take over the world with infinite magic.
--[x] Nadia can confirm that too. Do they want in?
--[x] Whether or not they want in, if you emptied all her Grief Seeds of grief could she act as a regional cleansing station?
Added asking the girl about her powers, since I'm interested in what shape grief control takes under normal circumstances.
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
I mean, we don't know how the rumors have warped in their spreading, but it's not implausible Hatsumi thinks she has actually done something that --- she fears at least --- would get us attacking her. Being a grief controller, her being worried about us going after her for witching someone out once seems not implausible, even if she deeply regrets it and wishes she could take it back.
Or she could be actively using her power for such things, and worried that everything has just come crashing down.
We don't know her yet, and it seems unwise to assume either that she's the kind of person we wouldn't fight on principle or that she's the kind who we would.
Regardless, I think making the offer of a clear seed here and now is jumping the gun a bit. Kyushu is far away enough that I'd like to talk to these folks and get some of the lay of the land, if possible. This conversation is kinda going to get cut short anyways.
EDIT: If nothing else, I don't want to send out a clear seed only for it to immediately get stolen caught up in a war because we didn't survey the situation in the region. (Again.)
[X] There's very little just being a grief controller would do to put Hatsumi on any list of yours. Even that would be if you knew for a fact you could trust her and were asking for her help.
-[X] If Hatsumi is worried about you targeting her for something she's done, if it helps, most of your fights with people were because they refused to change. You can forgive people doing what they have to to survive, or who feel regret and wish things could be different.
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Appletank
Acquire Cheese
Wait wait what? Sayaka says eyes can't be blonde. Or at least, yellowish. Are Mami's eyes not yellow?
I'm so confused.
Spectral Waltz
Scatterbrained Writer
- Location
- Walking the Endless Corridors
I kind want to see if we can visit her so we can find out how her brand of grief control works and maybe help her, we should try to set something up?
- Location
- The state of Paranoia
Random thoughts:
For Tokyo, if the whole 'girls being able to move between groups' thing isn't for gerrymandering, it's probably something that either the groups or the individual girls control. Which would lead to some groups trying to reduce their population below carrying capacity so they can stock up on grief seeds and be rich.
This would be done via taking the least popular girl and transferring her to a different group (ideally one that is down a member due to getting eaten by a witch or something, but not necessarily. If the group is willing to take her then great). If the individual girls have the power to decide to transfer or not, then ambitious/hard hearted groups may employ bullying or threats to get a girl to leave. This would lead to generous groups with nice people having more megucas than their carrying capacity can allow for (and possibly suffering witchouts), while more selfish groups would be comparatively rich and unlikely to suffer witchouts.
This would imply that the groups which are currently belligerent may have started out as overly nice groups, who took on a few more girls than they could afford (or at least were tight nit enough to not give up girls to other groups). Now however, they would be desperately trying to transfer any new girls to other groups, even if they can't transfer preexisting girls because of other groups knowing they won't get along. Since bullying and threats are one way to convince a new girl to move to a different group, this probably would contribute to the perception of the desperate groups as aggressive and belligerent.
Other possibilities:
Chiyoda controls who transfers where, but doesn't do gerrymandering.
- This would lead to ambitious groups offering bribes in order to have their less popular members transfered elsewhere. Everything would be as subtle and hush hush as possible, to avoid other groups finding out. It would simply look like Chiyoda was incompetent at population management, which in turn would explain why they were unpopular with many of the groups.
The council votes on who transfers where.
- This would lead to a lot of politics, as groups try to make alliances to vote for their own girls being transfered out, and no new girls being transfered in. It would not however explain why the girls we talked to did not believe that Tokyo had a lot of politics.
For Tokyo, if the whole 'girls being able to move between groups' thing isn't for gerrymandering, it's probably something that either the groups or the individual girls control. Which would lead to some groups trying to reduce their population below carrying capacity so they can stock up on grief seeds and be rich.
This would be done via taking the least popular girl and transferring her to a different group (ideally one that is down a member due to getting eaten by a witch or something, but not necessarily. If the group is willing to take her then great). If the individual girls have the power to decide to transfer or not, then ambitious/hard hearted groups may employ bullying or threats to get a girl to leave. This would lead to generous groups with nice people having more megucas than their carrying capacity can allow for (and possibly suffering witchouts), while more selfish groups would be comparatively rich and unlikely to suffer witchouts.
This would imply that the groups which are currently belligerent may have started out as overly nice groups, who took on a few more girls than they could afford (or at least were tight nit enough to not give up girls to other groups). Now however, they would be desperately trying to transfer any new girls to other groups, even if they can't transfer preexisting girls because of other groups knowing they won't get along. Since bullying and threats are one way to convince a new girl to move to a different group, this probably would contribute to the perception of the desperate groups as aggressive and belligerent.
Other possibilities:
Chiyoda controls who transfers where, but doesn't do gerrymandering.
- This would lead to ambitious groups offering bribes in order to have their less popular members transfered elsewhere. Everything would be as subtle and hush hush as possible, to avoid other groups finding out. It would simply look like Chiyoda was incompetent at population management, which in turn would explain why they were unpopular with many of the groups.
The council votes on who transfers where.
- This would lead to a lot of politics, as groups try to make alliances to vote for their own girls being transfered out, and no new girls being transfered in. It would not however explain why the girls we talked to did not believe that Tokyo had a lot of politics.
- Location
- Germany
She means that 'blonde' is not a proper description for yellow eyes because blonde always refers to hair. Yellow or citrine or amber all work with eyes, 'blonde' doesn't.
I agree. A clear seed could destabilize the entire region, better to go slow and only offer to cleanse a few grief seeds until they just have 10x normal capacity for now.
kinigget
Best Demon
- Location
- People's Republic of Portland
I have...several reasons for leaving the thread, and the only really strong emotion keeping me here is spite, as was previously mentioned.
There's still a really strong echochamber, the thread still moves way too fast for me to really participate, and votecrafting is still an exercise in futility unless you're one if the three people the thread actually listens to
That and I'm just not really invested in the story any more, and that whole incident where I got threadbanned twice burned most of my goodwill towards the thread and many of the people in it
There's still a really strong echochamber, the thread still moves way too fast for me to really participate, and votecrafting is still an exercise in futility unless you're one if the three people the thread actually listens to
That and I'm just not really invested in the story any more, and that whole incident where I got threadbanned twice burned most of my goodwill towards the thread and many of the people in it