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Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
DB_Explorer
Purveyor of alternate realities.
- Location
- San Diego, California
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Continuing my Sentry/Lethal force metaphor ...we're at the point where I would be telling them to get on the ground and cuffing them as I called for the rest of the ships security force. This would entail using various means to non-lethally get compliance (Baton, OC spray and so forth) with lethal force being an option if the triangle got completed by how they resisted (In this case if she tried/tries to soul steal us, Mami*, Homura, random Joe #495, a puppy....).
Where the metaphor breaks down is that rather then being a police style situation this is more a... foreign policy situation. Magical girls are basically political entities that stand alone - they are beholden to no higher law then that which they submit or agree to or that others force on them.
At this point we have to turn to Clauzwitz.
Kirika: *gets jelly* Oriko!!! *picks up Oriko up in a bridal carry*
Homura: .. ..... My imprisoned foes can't be this adorable. : |
Where the metaphor breaks down is that rather then being a police style situation this is more a... foreign policy situation. Magical girls are basically political entities that stand alone - they are beholden to no higher law then that which they submit or agree to or that others force on them.
At this point we have to turn to Clauzwitz.
Kirika: *gets jelly* Oriko!!! *picks up Oriko up in a bridal carry*
Homura: .. ..... My imprisoned foes can't be this adorable. : |
Spectral Waltz
Scatterbrained Writer
- Location
- Walking the Endless Corridors
Alright so, I went out, walked my pupper, had a ncie long think, and I've basically boiled it down to this.
Objective: Prevent Rionna from killing any more people by whatever means necessary.
To that end, I want the following events to occur.
Or she might just spontaneously witch out. Like I said, probably not the best idea.
Objective: Prevent Rionna from killing any more people by whatever means necessary.
To that end, I want the following events to occur.
- We discuss the situation while in timestop with Homura, Mami, and Sayaka before we take any offensive action against Rionna
- Ideally we also include Kirika, since she is an incredibly valuable safety net against Rionna.
- We give Sayaka an opportunity to copy Rionna's powers before we deal with her.
Or she might just spontaneously witch out. Like I said, probably not the best idea.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I can't say I disagree... I add getting information we need from Riona first, which is why I want to leave and re-meet with Riona tomorrow.
Then yes, antimagic blast Riona and her shades. Hell, make two Magic Gems and have both Sayaka and Kirika blast Riona. No kill like overkill!
But anyway, cuff Riona with Anti Magic; I don't think just blasting her will be enough, we need to have that permanent Anti Magic effect on her (and hope the shades aren't instructed enough to remain a problem until they pass on).
Maybe she'll be more talkative once she's been imprisoned for a few days?
Romka
Master of Stealth
- Location
- In a barrel
I think we should meet up with the rest of the team to discuss what to do with Rionna. Sabrina isn't the sole decision maker of the team, our friends have a say too. We should report our findings to them, discuss what to do with Rionna, and if necessary, coordinate on how best to fight her.
And yes we should include Sayaka in the discussion.
And yes we should include Sayaka in the discussion.
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Spectral Waltz
Scatterbrained Writer
- Location
- Walking the Endless Corridors
She said at some point that it takes a certain effort to maintain her control and that if she let them go, she wouldn't be able to get them back. I'm pretty sure blasting her with antimagic would force her to let go.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
For the people that are voting to do something now and come back to deal with Rionna later, can you please commit to that in your vote? Add something like "[] Commit to not letting Rionna leave Mitakihara without being dealt with." All of these votes are currently fail-deadly - you need to be voting with the expectation that a shitstorm will blow up the instant Sabrina gets out of bed tomorrow and we start working toward taking Rionna down. I want to be able to discuss tactics without being distracted by trash like "[] Leave with Mami. You're done here." or "[] We don't sneak attack people, let her go" or "[] You need to get more powerful, let her fly away and you'll deal with her in a couple days".
kinigget
Best Demon
- Location
- People's Republic of Portland
Staff Notice
I don't like this
I don't like any of this
I see no value in casting judgement here
I don't want to deal with the fallour of detaining her
I don't see us getting any further information out of her now that we've driven her to this level of desperation
We need to back off
Even if she is a monster, we can change that, or at least make her our monster
But it is going to take time
I don't want to destroy the chance of getting information out of her, which gemming/anti-magicing will absolutely do
I still think we need to let her go for now, but we should absolutely set up further meetings
And we should absolutely warn Sayaka to avoid anyone of Rionna's description
I'm kerping Mura's vote for now, but I'll see about writing something up when I get home
I don't like any of this
I see no value in casting judgement here
I don't want to deal with the fallour of detaining her
I don't see us getting any further information out of her now that we've driven her to this level of desperation
We need to back off
Even if she is a monster, we can change that, or at least make her our monster
But it is going to take time
I don't want to destroy the chance of getting information out of her, which gemming/anti-magicing will absolutely do
I still think we need to let her go for now, but we should absolutely set up further meetings
And we should absolutely warn Sayaka to avoid anyone of Rionna's description
I'm kerping Mura's vote for now, but I'll see about writing something up when I get home
I think we should vote on who to include in the discussion after we enter timestop. We still don't know if it's gonna devolve into a fight in the next scene immediately or if we can get into timestop before that happens.
I kinda get what you mean. This is like dangling the cure (or at least a major step in developing a cure) for Cancer, Alzheimer's, AIDS, and other horrible diseases.
... The problem is that it involves working with Unit 731.
Spectral Waltz
Scatterbrained Writer
- Location
- Walking the Endless Corridors
What's to get? What's worth keeping her around for? Letting her kill more people is unacceptable, and it's looking more and more like she will not accept any offer including that stipulation.
Also Sabrina doesn't really need a 'personal monster'.
- Location
- London, 1935. August.
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Given Firn's quote, I'm not sure Sayaka can copy Rionna's powers. There's no reason not to try, but we probably shouldn't get our hopes up too much. If I had to guess, I would bet that Sayaka can't copy powers from people with more potential than her. Given all the meguca in Mitakihara seem to have at least slightly higher than average potential, it's probably not that big of a problem except for particularly unique or powerful abilities.
How could we be so blind? Obviously someone whose name is such an inscrutable mystery was going to be frustrating and morally compromised. It just goes to show, we should always take Mami's advice as seriously as possible.
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
- Location
- The Silver City
And what the hell do we say to Sayaka when she accuses us of letting a relentless murderer walk unmolested?
She copied Mami fine.
Script Mak3r
(Verified Sun God) (Verified Feathers)
- Location
- Hell of Blazing Fires
- Pronouns
- She/Her
A thing I've been reading lately is Ring-Maker. It's a Worm/LotR cross with a focus on redemption. What do I mean when I say redemption? Taylor is, in this, the reincarnation of Mairon.
Now, those of you who aren't fully up on your Tolkien-fu may not know who Mairon is. As a cape, Taylor goes by Annatar, one of her previous names. But the one we know her best by? Sauron.
Gorthaur the Cruel, the Abhorred himself, is the protagonist of a story of redemption. After all, one of Tolkien's central themes is that nobody is born evil.
Now, those of you who aren't fully up on your Tolkien-fu may not know who Mairon is. As a cape, Taylor goes by Annatar, one of her previous names. But the one we know her best by? Sauron.
Gorthaur the Cruel, the Abhorred himself, is the protagonist of a story of redemption. After all, one of Tolkien's central themes is that nobody is born evil.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Can we be sure the effect will be immediate, though?
[] Agree to end the meeting shortly.
-[] Tell Riona you regret that she wasn't able to find what she was searching for here.
[] Release the Field.
[] Before letting her be, call her out and get concessions in exchange for her actions, without pissing her off too badly:
-[] Priority: Arrange a new meeting before she leaves, with plenty of time to spare.
-[] Priority: She does not attack nor use magic against anyone in Mitakihara.
-[] She'll answer all our questions next meeting.
[] Go. Once you're away:
-[] Timestop meeting. Include Sayaka.
-[] Explain everything. Avoid social bombs. Don't take sides, be impartial.
-[] Afterwards, share plans to get information you need from Riona, then aprehend and imprison her.
--[] Explain how her Wish might have affected her personality beyond any help you can give in a short timeframe.
Anyone, opinions on this?
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mCooperative
meanderingCephalopod
- Location
- Back in Mitakihara after like 1000 years.
The consternation over the spelling of her name was an allegory for our interpretation of her moral status all along.
... this makes a surprising amount of sense.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Except the Orcs. Which, IIRC, Tolkien couldn't quite justify/explain.
Spectral Waltz
Scatterbrained Writer
- Location
- Walking the Endless Corridors
Maybe also include to try and convince Homu on the merit of bringing in O&K?
DB_Explorer
Purveyor of alternate realities.
- Location
- San Diego, California
- Pronouns
- He/Him
something something allegory for industrialization destroying the countryside?
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Maybe include the Anti Magic Cuffs needed to most safely restrain Riona, I guess...
@Onmur I'm not sure about letting Rionna leave the field before entering Time stop. She's at her weakest right now, without access to her shades. We might not be able to get her inside an isolation field after this, not without her getting some protections in her immediate vicinity and/or person.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
My plan right now is:
- Get Kirika to Anti Magic some handcuffs we make.
- Get close-ish to Riona in Time Stop.
- Have Sayaka blast Riona and her whole surrounding area (to tag also the shades) with Anti Magic. Optional: Make a Magic Booster for Sayaka to use in this opening gambit.
- Quickly subdue and cuff Riona with the Anti Magic Cuffs. Hope this is enough for her shades to not be a threat any more.
... Also, thinking about it, if we make a privacy field in timestop, then throw it at Riona from timestop, would she have any chance to avoid it? Specially if it's not just the privacy bubble, but physical restrains manipulated with Grief also...
AsuraKyoko
The Witch who was known as the Goddess of War
- Location
- Brockton Bay
[X] Onmur
I like the cut of this vote a bit better. We should include our friends on such an important decision, rather than just making it ourselves.
I like the cut of this vote a bit better. We should include our friends on such an important decision, rather than just making it ourselves.
kinigget
Best Demon
- Location
- People's Republic of Portland
[X] Agree to end the meeting shortly.
-[X] Tell Riona you regret that she wasn't able to find what she was searching for here.
[X] Release the Field.
[X] Before letting her be, call her out and get concessions in exchange for her actions, without pissing her off too badly:
-[X] Priority: Arrange a new meeting before she leaves, with plenty of time to spare.
-[X] Priority: She does not attack nor use magic against anyone in Mitakihara.
-[X] She'll answer all our questions next meeting.
[X] Go. Once you're away:
-[X] Timestop meeting. Include Sayaka.
-[X] Explain everything. Avoid social bombs. Don't take sides, be impartial.
I'm not comfortable with the bit in red, for all the myriad reasons I've given over the course of this meeting
-[X] Tell Riona you regret that she wasn't able to find what she was searching for here.
[X] Release the Field.
[X] Before letting her be, call her out and get concessions in exchange for her actions, without pissing her off too badly:
-[X] Priority: Arrange a new meeting before she leaves, with plenty of time to spare.
-[X] Priority: She does not attack nor use magic against anyone in Mitakihara.
-[X] She'll answer all our questions next meeting.
[X] Go. Once you're away:
-[X] Timestop meeting. Include Sayaka.
-[X] Explain everything. Avoid social bombs. Don't take sides, be impartial.
I'm not comfortable with the bit in red, for all the myriad reasons I've given over the course of this meeting