- Location
- California
Drunken slurring is more like "Sho whhut?"Drunken mispelling is more like "do wjat."
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
- Thread starter Firnagzen
- Start date
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- Tags
- puella magi adfligo systema puella magi madoka magica be gay do crimes (gay) female protagonist bad decisions dating mami tomoe (tomoe mami) diabolical laughter friendship is the best ship handholding identity crises microwaving tea gets you put in the bad place names are important the body is the fursona of the soul this is not the baked goods thread we don't talk about rionna what could possibly go wrong? who in the world is azure sanfrancisco?
mCooperative
meanderingCephalopod
- Location
- Back in Mitakihara after like 1000 years.
So drunk-Roxy-pesterlog-style dialogue, basically.
... oh god, Mami in a bakeoff with the Batterwitch.
... and a firearms-off with Jake, Jade, and also Homura.
... everyone out of the universes, if they were safe before, they're not now.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Watch as Riona's sister turned into a Witch and Riona's hoping to de-Witch her, but can't make progress on it because prohibitive Grief costs.[Q] Can't you regognize me? The reincarnation of her sister who traveled back in time*?
* just in case the soul of Rion[n?]a's sister is still around somewhere
Wouldn't that make the next conversation easier.
Also, if you think about it, everything Firn takes from the thread is window dressing compared to what he puts of himself in the writing of Sabrina, so Firn is the most Sabrina of us all, even if we're all Sabrina. And of course, we know Firn is Oriko, so that means Sabrina is Oriko.
This is what we should tell Riona.
[Q] I'm the reincarnation of one of my friends who's really suicidally annoying and depressed and used to be able to see the future, but can't do so anymore, I need you to look into that, by the way, but anyway, Oriko's soul came back from the future but came out wrong and mom had to fuse that soul together with some primordial goop she had lying around and maybe she shouldn't have listened to miss Pollack when she said 'just stitch her to these souls and she'll be fine', because I'm not certain she was being serious, or that she cared all that much to start with, but anyway, I need to go tell Yuuki to change my surname again, not that I had one to start with.
-[Q] Hm. The Mikuni surname comes with problems attached. You will now be Sabrina Tomoe neé Kure Akemi Kaname.
--[Q] Wait until Mami and Homura hear the news!
- Location
- California
Wow, umm I guess.
Oh yeah, just realized that I'm actually 1/256 zombie, there's this grey/green splotch on my leg that won't go away. This is reffering to that one time someone thought I was a zombie or something when I said I could sense brains.
Oh yeah, just realized that I'm actually 1/256 zombie, there's this grey/green splotch on my leg that won't go away. This is reffering to that one time someone thought I was a zombie or something when I said I could sense brains.
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SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] I think I'm the result of a Wish. Specifically, some girl wished for something like me, and that just kind of...spontaneously created me. I woke up in an alleyway vomiting blood, no memory of myself other than the name Sabrina, and full knowledge of the Magical Girl system. Then I wished to control Grief. So, in a way, it was like two wishes in one, specifically for this power.
-[X] I'm not sure if I was originally human, or if I was a Witch turned into a human through a Wish, or whatever. There are no records of my existence before I woke up in that alleyway, and, as you can imagine, a foreigner with white hair, violet eyes, above-average height, no ID or belongings, total amnesia, and no one even trying to look for her doesn't seem to be a natural occurrence in Japan.
-[X] What can you tell me about my soul? I only know that power copiers can't copy my power.
I think this is a good place to start.
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
Sabrina's eyes are blue, I believe.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Refining protovoting.
I believe finding Riona's angle in this is important. If we got an advantadge, it's that for once, we're better at social than someone.
Riona might be bad at social, and our powers might be miraculous, but she flew here all the way from Europe on a fucking dime. Even if she wasn't right in the head, that's not something you just do. She left Edinburgh unattended and came here on Nadia's word, however trustworthy Nadia is.
Riona really really fucking wants this, and shows her with her actions. She's powerful enough she probably can put up with Witch Hunting indefinitely, so she's not desperate for cleansing.
So why does she want our powers that badly? We need to figure her angle, then we'll know what we can trust her with.
[] Keep contact with Mami with a handful of Grief.
[] Be blunt with Riona, shrug off rudeness and don't let politeness get in the way of business.
[] Explain.
-[] Commonly known details: Woke up half dead; amnesia; scattered knowledge, including about the system; Wish; what your powers can do.
-[] KB's comment of your level of karma being disproportionate to your experiences.
-[] Segue, Riona's opinion of KB?
[] Confirm Riona's Lich/Witchbombed, explain Mami's choice to remain ignorant.
[] Talk about de-Witching.
-[] Show Hildegarde.
-[] Explain 'happy Grief'.
-[] Tell Riona this is one thing you hope she can help with.
-[] But that's us. What does she want? Inquire, try to find Riona's purpose.
--[] She might be bad at social, but she did fly all the way here on a dime.
[] Reiterate you've only got unconfirmed ideas about your origins: Ask what she sees in you, so you can better answer her question.
-[] Be blunt, if necessary: She's still a stranger and we're not dumb; we don't know how much we can trust her.
[] Cut to voting.
I believe finding Riona's angle in this is important. If we got an advantadge, it's that for once, we're better at social than someone.
Riona might be bad at social, and our powers might be miraculous, but she flew here all the way from Europe on a fucking dime. Even if she wasn't right in the head, that's not something you just do. She left Edinburgh unattended and came here on Nadia's word, however trustworthy Nadia is.
Riona really really fucking wants this, and shows her with her actions. She's powerful enough she probably can put up with Witch Hunting indefinitely, so she's not desperate for cleansing.
So why does she want our powers that badly? We need to figure her angle, then we'll know what we can trust her with.
[] Keep contact with Mami with a handful of Grief.
[] Be blunt with Riona, shrug off rudeness and don't let politeness get in the way of business.
[] Explain.
-[] Commonly known details: Woke up half dead; amnesia; scattered knowledge, including about the system; Wish; what your powers can do.
-[] KB's comment of your level of karma being disproportionate to your experiences.
-[] Segue, Riona's opinion of KB?
[] Confirm Riona's Lich/Witchbombed, explain Mami's choice to remain ignorant.
[] Talk about de-Witching.
-[] Show Hildegarde.
-[] Explain 'happy Grief'.
-[] Tell Riona this is one thing you hope she can help with.
-[] But that's us. What does she want? Inquire, try to find Riona's purpose.
--[] She might be bad at social, but she did fly all the way here on a dime.
[] Reiterate you've only got unconfirmed ideas about your origins: Ask what she sees in you, so you can better answer her question.
-[] Be blunt, if necessary: She's still a stranger and we're not dumb; we don't know how much we can trust her.
[] Cut to voting.
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
Not even on Nadia's word, I don't think. When we asked Nadia about her, Nadia hadn't even known that she was on the move yet.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Ugh, right. Oriko said...
So I guess people have been talking, as they're wont to do.
So Riona really did come here on a dime. Unless she could see us from Edinburgh, she made the trip based on rumour alone? :/
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
I mean, it could be that Nadia told her about us at some point after we asked her, but if she had you'd think she'd have said something to us.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Sooo... What's up with Riona and her eyes?
Maybe we should ask, but maybe our Soul is really big and we're blinding her? Are we grossly incandescent?
Or is it just a habit of her. Maybe she closes her eyes to better see with her mind? No, wait, she does focus her eyes when she wants to see our magic; maybe she has annoyingly high levels of magic perception and it bothers her.
Or maybe she's really sleepy.
Maybe we should ask, but maybe our Soul is really big and we're blinding her? Are we grossly incandescent?
Or is it just a habit of her. Maybe she closes her eyes to better see with her mind? No, wait, she does focus her eyes when she wants to see our magic; maybe she has annoyingly high levels of magic perception and it bothers her.
Or maybe she's really sleepy.
- Location
- florida
She tired drunk and irish.
Dont dance around the shit be straightforward.
Also, shes been a soul affecting magical girl for years she knows way more than we do and you should all keep that in mind unless you want to piss her off.
I know your all used to being the most wise/knowledgeable person in the room, but you need to stow it for a bit.
Dont dance around the shit be straightforward.
Also, shes been a soul affecting magical girl for years she knows way more than we do and you should all keep that in mind unless you want to piss her off.
I know your all used to being the most wise/knowledgeable person in the room, but you need to stow it for a bit.
- Location
- Illinois
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Yep. Do not presume to lecture Riona on souls. Assume that she knows more then us on the topic, by far.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
And you know what's gonna give Riona a headache?
The amnesia.
She flew halfway across the world to ask this question, and we... can't answer it, to a fundamental level. We don't know, we don't even have proof of having a past at all!
I expect some swearing from Soulguca, here.
The amnesia.
She flew halfway across the world to ask this question, and we... can't answer it, to a fundamental level. We don't know, we don't even have proof of having a past at all!
I expect some swearing from Soulguca, here.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
Move this up to the top. The faster this is confirmed the more freely we can talk, and we'll want to explain why we left Mami outside.
- Location
- Illinois
I don't think we should probe--
This basically. Let's assume she knows witch and lichbombs and if she doesn't, then I am thinking that she should learn them.
I do think we need to open with answering her question, as I always do --
[X] Explain your belief that you are a product of a wish. Omit any suspicion of whose wish in particular -- multiple timelines, Madokami, and Madoka's potential should all remain tightly suppressed.
-[X] Give evidence: no history, sudden appearance, strange knowledge. Omit any mention of personal knowledge (Mami, Homura, etc) but note both general knowledge & specifics of Puella Magi system.
[X] After whatever immediate questions she has...
-[X] Drop a summary of current problems on her.
--[X] Kyubey is eventually going to try to get us killed.
--[X] There's at least one malignant weirdness around, you don't know much about it except that it's tried to kill at least one person and is screwing with some magics. (Feathers)
--[X] One of our allies is rejecting her wish and her soul is all kinds of fucked up.
--[X] Walpurgisnacht arrives Apr. 30, because why not. Arguably the least of our problems, it's "just" a witch.
[X] You don't know a ton about her, but as long as she's not interested in mass murder you're more than happy to offer her almost whatever she wants in exchange for contribution.
-[X] You have a system to break, after all.
...
Maybe some changes to that last bit, but eh~
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
Assumptions are how people get dead. Confirming she's been witchbombed costs us ten seconds and the potential payoff is so huge that the expected value remains positive if there is even a one tenth of one percent chance of her not being witchbombed. And that's not even taking into account how much credibility we will lose if we just make an assumption in front of someone who has undoubtedly seen exactly that go horribly wrong. Remind me again how you end up with soul manipulation abilities.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I've been thinking, while interacting with Riona, maybe we'd benefit from using goal based votes.
... Something I'm really bad at, it turns out. I got this protovote and I don't know how to turn it into a concise goals based vote without wasting too many words.
A bit too fast on the trigger?
How do we explain this belief of us, in a way that won't paint a target on Madoka?Why would we believe this, other than the actual reason we do? We can't just /because this. Riona will want to know why, and if we don't answer, she'll find out on her own.
I'd much rather try and find out Riona's angle on all this before risking important information.
Nolrai
weak to fangs
- Location
- Porltand
I think you mean "the answer is no"?
mCooperative
meanderingCephalopod
- Location
- Back in Mitakihara after like 1000 years.
Whoops, sorry, forgot this was currently relevant speculation and opinion for a moment somehow...
Re: Witchbomb infosec protocols: Copied thoughts from Discord:
[The fact the Riona almost certainly knows the Witchbomb] does not, in my opinion, mean dispensing with Witchbomb security protocol. If there's one place to be a frustrating stickler, I believe it's this; it's as much showing good practice as it is the security itself in cases like this.
At some point we really do need to write up a Best Practices Protocol list to refer to as a general guideline for stuff like this, just so we can keep track of what we've done that's worked or not worked in the past...
It seems like we did a good job hashing the matter when talking to Niko, so we could try something like that? It was pretty brief, too, and we went into that being like reasonably sure that she should know, but not totally sure and needing to do it either way.
Re: Witchbomb infosec protocols: Copied thoughts from Discord:
[The fact the Riona almost certainly knows the Witchbomb] does not, in my opinion, mean dispensing with Witchbomb security protocol. If there's one place to be a frustrating stickler, I believe it's this; it's as much showing good practice as it is the security itself in cases like this.
At some point we really do need to write up a Best Practices Protocol list to refer to as a general guideline for stuff like this, just so we can keep track of what we've done that's worked or not worked in the past...
It seems like we did a good job hashing the matter when talking to Niko, so we could try something like that? It was pretty brief, too, and we went into that being like reasonably sure that she should know, but not totally sure and needing to do it either way.
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Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
[] Goals:
-[] Keep Mami company with some Grief.
-[] Be efficient. Shrug off rudeness, prioritize business over politeness, be as blunt as Riona prefers.
-[] Carefully confirm that Riona's witchbombed so you can communicate freely. Better to be safe.
-[] Explain that Mami doesn't want to know about Witches.
-[] Share relevant information as appropriate: Your history, amnesia and knowledge, what your powers can do, KB's comments about your soul and karma levels.
-[] Check Riona's opinion of QB.
-[] De-witching research.
--[] Explain your attempts so far: Clear Seeds, attempts to communicate, happy grief. Demonstrate Hildegarde.
--[] Goal: Sustainable and ethical cleansing (clear seeds don't cut it) or outright removal of witching-out as an outcome.
-[] Figure out Riona's goals. Why did she come here, what does she want, what has she been unable to do that a grief manipulator could help with?
-[] See if she can help you figure out your soul, history, and circumstances.
--[] Explain feathers.
--[] Share your best hypotheses: Fabricated by a Wish. Converted Witch. Metaphysical concept.
--[] Leave this for last so you can get past any possible "burn the witch" sentiment.
-[] Keep Mami company with some Grief.
-[] Be efficient. Shrug off rudeness, prioritize business over politeness, be as blunt as Riona prefers.
-[] Carefully confirm that Riona's witchbombed so you can communicate freely. Better to be safe.
-[] Explain that Mami doesn't want to know about Witches.
-[] Share relevant information as appropriate: Your history, amnesia and knowledge, what your powers can do, KB's comments about your soul and karma levels.
-[] Check Riona's opinion of QB.
-[] De-witching research.
--[] Explain your attempts so far: Clear Seeds, attempts to communicate, happy grief. Demonstrate Hildegarde.
--[] Goal: Sustainable and ethical cleansing (clear seeds don't cut it) or outright removal of witching-out as an outcome.
-[] Figure out Riona's goals. Why did she come here, what does she want, what has she been unable to do that a grief manipulator could help with?
-[] See if she can help you figure out your soul, history, and circumstances.
--[] Explain feathers.
--[] Share your best hypotheses: Fabricated by a Wish. Converted Witch. Metaphysical concept.
--[] Leave this for last so you can get past any possible "burn the witch" sentiment.
blast flame
How far will we go if it means lighting the way?
- Location
- Perth, Australia
- Pronouns
- They/Them
I agree we need to confirm she's witchbombed. We should be sure to ensure we're not condescending when we do so though, like apologise for having to confirm it since she almost certainly knows first.
- Location
- Illinois
And when I say this, what I mean is, "assume Riona knows witch/lich, assume she had a good reason to come here, assume that reason is tied up with Magical Girl stuff because duh, answer her questions without breaking infosec on the critical stuff, summarize what's going on, then ask what she wants."
Update, because this works:
[X] She knows where witches come from and that the soul gem is the soul, yes?
[X] Explain your belief that you are a product of a wish. Omit any suspicion of whose wish in particular -- multiple timelines, Madokami, and Madoka's potential should all remain tightly suppressed.
-[X] Give evidence: no history, sudden appearance, strange knowledge. Omit any mention of personal knowledge (Mami, Homura, etc) but note both general knowledge & specifics of Puella Magi system.
[X] After whatever immediate questions she has...
-[X] Drop a summary of current problems on her.
--[X] Kyubey is eventually going to try to get us killed.
--[X] There's at least one malignant weirdness around, you don't know much about it except that it's tried to kill at least one person and is screwing with some magics. (Feathers)
--[X] One of our allies is rejecting her wish and her soul is all kinds of fucked up.
--[X] Walpurgisnacht arrives Apr. 30, because why not. Arguably the least of our problems, it's "just" a witch.
[X] You don't know a ton about her, but as long as she's not interested in mass murder you're more than happy to offer her almost whatever she wants in exchange for contribution.
-[X] You have a system to break, after all.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
More refining...
Protovotes combine! Am I doing this right? :
[] Goals:
-[] Keep in contact with Mami, with Grief.
-[] Be efficient.
--[] Shrug off rudeness, prioritize business over politeness, be blunt if necessary.
-[] Explain Mami's choice to remain ignorant of facts that terrify many Magical Girls.
--[] Ask Riona to confirm her bombed status.
-[] Information sharing:
--[] History, amnesia, knowledge.
--[] KB's comment about karma level and experiences.
---[] Check Riona's opinion of KB.
-[] Figure how far to trust Riona.
--[] Ask after her motives.
--[] Ask what she sees in you.
-[] If convinced about her having good motives:
--[] Share hypothesis about being created by magic. Wholly, by being de-Witched, as part of a larger concept...
--[] Share how many times you've had the coincidence of being able to help someone in need, in the nick of time.
[] Keep contact with Mami with a handful of Grief.
[] Be blunt with Riona, shrug off rudeness and don't let politeness get in the way of business.
[] Apologize for the interruption: Mami chose to not know certain secrets of the Magical Girl system, while we woke up with full knowledge of it.
-[] Ask Riona to confirm she's got knowledge of facts that terrify many Magical Girls.
[] Explain:
-[] Waking up half dead, amnesiac, possessing scattered knowledge.
-[] Your powers.
-[] KB's comment about level of karma being disproportionate to your experiences.
-[] Segue, Riona's opinion of KB?
[] Before you can answer Riona's question:
-[] Ask for her motives. Her actions don't talk of a casual interest, to say the least.
-[] Ask what she sees in you, with her powers.
-[] Be blunt: She's a stranger and you're not dumb. You don't know how much information you can trust her with.
[] Be blunt with Riona, shrug off rudeness and don't let politeness get in the way of business.
[] Apologize for the interruption: Mami chose to not know certain secrets of the Magical Girl system, while we woke up with full knowledge of it.
-[] Ask Riona to confirm she's got knowledge of facts that terrify many Magical Girls.
[] Explain:
-[] Waking up half dead, amnesiac, possessing scattered knowledge.
-[] Your powers.
-[] KB's comment about level of karma being disproportionate to your experiences.
-[] Segue, Riona's opinion of KB?
[] Before you can answer Riona's question:
-[] Ask for her motives. Her actions don't talk of a casual interest, to say the least.
-[] Ask what she sees in you, with her powers.
-[] Be blunt: She's a stranger and you're not dumb. You don't know how much information you can trust her with.
Just had a thought... maybe it's better to leave talk of de-Witching for next update? We might come across as... unfocused if we jump between topics as I was thinking at first.
Protovotes combine! Am I doing this right?
:[] Goals:
-[] Keep in contact with Mami, with Grief.
-[] Be efficient.
--[] Shrug off rudeness, prioritize business over politeness, be blunt if necessary.
-[] Explain Mami's choice to remain ignorant of facts that terrify many Magical Girls.
--[] Ask Riona to confirm her bombed status.
-[] Information sharing:
--[] History, amnesia, knowledge.
--[] KB's comment about karma level and experiences.
---[] Check Riona's opinion of KB.
-[] Figure how far to trust Riona.
--[] Ask after her motives.
--[] Ask what she sees in you.
-[] If convinced about her having good motives:
--[] Share hypothesis about being created by magic. Wholly, by being de-Witched, as part of a larger concept...
--[] Share how many times you've had the coincidence of being able to help someone in need, in the nick of time.