I mean, what if she wants our activity to be covered, or at the very least doesn't mind it? I'm not pointing that out because I think it's some deal-breaking vote error, I'm saying that Yuki is entering in this agreement because she wants to be on our side, and the agreement her chosen method of formalizing that without the personal trust we have between other people on our side.

I mean, she basically tells us that we are going to be loud and interventionist and that she wants to get in on whatever results from that on the ground floor. I don't think we need to reassure her that oh we aren't going to cause you meguca-political problems because she's here because we are going to cause her meguca-political problems. She's even intervening on our behalf with what she saw as a developing problem (the Rin/Sendai thing).
Hmm. I'll work on wording and put up something after I get some rest; I think that I lost something when writing the vote. I think the message I want is that we'd appreciate her assistance, and might even request it at times, but we're not going to demand it. Partially because we're going to be doing that kind of thing constantly and we don't want to overbalance the treaty, partially because she's already volunteering for Walpurgisnacht and that's more than enough, partially because one of our Big Goals is to make it so that nobody is forced to fight.
 
We should have two threat models in mind.
Violent magical girls, and Walpurgisnacht.

My thought is that we need to set Yuki up for another strategy meeting before she invests permanent effort into the Kaname Relay Station. Measure twice, cut once.

I think @Vebyast almost has it, minus some tag leading that way. Let me try to shave off words and mod a bit, do you like?

144 words

[V] Defense pact
-[V] Discuss proactive befriending.
--[V] To reassure Yuki, explicitly state that megucatarian aid / peacekeeping operations will not invoke the treaty.
--[V] Kindly request sharing her address book. More allies, more clear seeds distributed, and you'd prefer to preemptively deescalate conflicts.
-[V] If no problems, sign the treaty.

[V] Yuki's Nexus
-[V] Homura's suggestion, perhaps more.
-[V] Nudge Sayaka: Power copying?

[V] Move on to transfer Airi and the antimagic enchantment.
-[V] Before teleporting, determine if Sakura can handle the antimagic. Or you or Yuki can handle travel instead.

[V] Remembering, ask Kirika to check the IRCs Nadia provided.

[V] Rin and Sakura
-[V] Test for interest in muggle moneymaking schemes. Mention that you have a contact with Ideas. It's productive pastime, if nothing else.
-[V] Thank them again before parting ways.

[V] Thank Yuki for helping Rin.

Yuki makes nodes that are obvious to Magical Girls. The Kaname Station will be a danger if that isn't compensated for in some manner. Think Homu More?
 
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We've largely drained out cash resources recently, so after we wrap this up we should ask Homura if she knows of any other yakuza sites we could hit. Then hit all of them in timestop. We might create other moneymaking mechanisms in the future, but for right now we need a quick infusion of capital.

EDIT: We still need a shrink, too. Just a reminder.
 
We may need multiple mental health experts. Treatment for Anri is one big job. Follow on care for the rest of us will be the other. You really can't work these people like draft animals, so sufficient numbers are required.
Some things might get fixed in one go if the Soul Sister will help us. Others might need longer term effort, even with her assistance.

Further, this is almost like a vaccination motif. As we add more girls to the circle, we will asses and / or stabilize everyone in order. Kyuubey chose everybody. There is a bias towards sickness. And Mitakihara will become crowded with Magical Girls soon. If we want to avoid Grief Riots, we need a rational countermeasure. Should this be too hard to find locally, we can trade to pay Yuki to help us solve the shortage. We travel her to a foreign academic wellspring of psychiatric training, and make a node.
 
I don't see much to do here, tbh. Delegation works wonders.

[X] Defense pact.
-[X] Discuss proactive befriending with Yuki.
--[x] For her peace of mind, make it explicit that megucatarian aid or peacekeeping operations will not invoke the treaty.
--[x] Ask her if she'd mind sharing her address book with you. More allies is good, and you want to get out ahead of possible hostilities.

[X] Yuki's Nexus.
-[X] Homura's suggestion.

Obviously.

[] Ask Yuki for her impression of Rin and her group after they talk. Nothing confidential, we're just worried.

I think that we're better off not involving ourselves. What would we do here anyway? She's the expert, she's already volunteered to help, she can talk to Rin without Sakura getting in the way and will rapidly have more information about Rin herself than we do. Plus she's not limited to vote-size social interactions; it's entirely possible for her to sit there for six hours and engage with Rin. If we tried to do anything we'd just get in her way.

[x] Move on to transfer Airi and the antimagic enchantment
-[x] Before trying a teleport, check to make sure Sakura can handle the antimagic. Or just fly everyone yourself and sidestep the problem.

Safety first.

[X] Before you forget, ask Kirika to check the IRCs Nadia provided.

Before we forget.

[X] Rin and Sakura
-[x] Test for interest in muggle monemaking schemes. You have a contact whose eyes made dollar signs when she remembered the magical girl she knew in middle school. It might be something to do with their time if nothing else.
-[x] Thank them again before parting ways.

What kinds of downsides are there to making this kind of proposal? The wording could use some work, but I think the core concept at least won't hurt.

148 words.

I say we clobber the Iowa Group before they know we exist.

On stolen clear seeds... I think that the benefits outweigh the cost. The cost is that we have to slap down the occasional girl that's misbehaving or totally insane. If we do our job right, we'll be steadily reinforcing the point that it's better to go along with us and threat of theft will steadily decrease.
Throw in asking Yuki for permission to hug her, because she's adorable. I'm sure Firn won't mind.
 
Y'know, while I can't spot any flaws in @Vebyast's vote, I'm going to stay with my "Hug Mami" vote, because I like the idea of a part of Sabrina's mind just wanting to go "forget all this diplomacy and tact, I just want to snuggle my girlfriend"
 
If we *don't* spread clear seeds aggressively then girls turning into witches who might have otherwise been saved is on our heads.

It is. Whatever negative results of spreading the seeds aggressively will also be on our heads. The question, as always, is how to spread them in order to get the best outcome. But that, at minimum, requires thinking about the possible negative consequences and how to preemptively counteract them.

Like, grudges, and normal human flaws are one thing, but we can't really do anything like that. You can't deprive adequate food, electricity, and medicine to a developing nation because they'll use it to go to war with their neighbor.

You can't? If you are reasonably certain that your aid will cause the war, and that the war will make things worse than the current status quo, would you still go through with it? This isn't as abstract of a scenario as you might think, given the history of foreign humanitarian aid in politically volatile regions of our world.

I don't think we're going to encounter any situations quite as bad as this in our Clear Seed distribution plans, but that doesn't mean we should just #yolo and supply anyone who asks unquestioningly. I don't think we're very far off from random meguca turning up in Mitakihara and asking us to clear a seed for them. I was thinking that we should institute a simple vetting system based on references. The applicant would need to be vouched for by someone we know and trust, or by other meguca from their local groups. This is really easy to do with telepathy and gives some guarantee that we're not aiding an axe-murderer or a warlord. We might want to give the Seed away even if there are problems, but at least we'll have some forewarning.
 
[X] Defense pact
-[X] Discuss proactive befriending.
--[x] Clarify that while you'd appreciate help, megucatarian aid and peacekeeping operations will not be obligated from them by the treaty.
--[x] Ask if she'd mind sharing her address book. More allies, more clear seeds distributed, and you'd prefer to preemptively talk down conflicts.
-[x] If no problems, sign the treaty.

[X] Yuki's Nexus
-[X] Homura's suggestion.
-[x] Nudge Sayaka: Power copying?

[X] Move on to transfer Airi and the antimagic enchantment.
-[x] Check if Sakura can handle the antimagic. Else, you or Yuki can handle transport.

[X] Before you forget, ask Kirika to check the IRCs Nadia provided.

[X] Rin and Sakura
-[x] Test for interest in legit moneymaking. You have a contact with. It's something for them to do, if nothing else.
-[x] Thank them again before parting ways.

[x] Thank Yuki for helping Rin.
-[x] Ask if she accepts hugs.

150 words.
 
Being perfectly honest, I don't see much difference between votes.

Eg., veB's vote has Sayaka power copying and Rin&Sakura moneymaking; Red's vote has that plus hugs; my vote has the AM cannon thing that's really just to see whether Firn will let it pass. :p

Oh, and asking Yuki about Rin and Sakura. That's pretty damned important, I feel. Yuki might do it of her own volition, knowing we care, but if she would share anything that could help us help the Sendai group (or prevent bad things from happening), it's better we ask.

All the other changes seem unnecessary? Added words about stuff we leave to Brinapilot nowadays?

I have commented whether we should ask Rin how they're doing on money, and I guess people like the idea, so...


[X] Defense pact
-[X] About Yuki's enemies: Preempting them, reaching out and making peace. Spreading Clear Seeds.
--[X] Extend this to every group Yuki could introduce us to.
-[X] Ask if we can help with the Anti Magic Cannon.

[X] Yuki's Nexus
-[X] Homura's suggestion.

[X] (Concern) Ask Yuki for her impression of how Rin and her group are doing, after they talk.

[X] Anri's transfer, Anti Magic Enchantments.

[X] Ask Kirika to check the IRCs Nadia provided.

[X] Rin and Sakura.
-[X] Ask how they're doing, money-wise. Share ideas/Offer partnerships about moneymaking schemes.
 
I haven't been following the thread for a little bit, but why is so little thought given to the introduction of the Kures, Yuki, and potentially Rin and Sakura as well? I would have figured there'd be... more to something like that.
 
One of the reasons I voted 'Hug Mami' was so we could let her take a more active role in hashing out the diplomacy.
 
I haven't been following the thread for a little bit, but why is so little thought given to the introduction of the Kures, Yuki, and potentially Rin and Sakura as well? I would have figured there'd be... more to something like that.
Hmm... I don't expect anything extraordinary out of it.

Oriko will do her Ojou thing, everyone else will probably think Kirika's being overly affective, Anri will be mad and angry and crazy, Rin and Sakura are gonna get shivers meeting Kirika again, Yuki will make observations she'll keep to herself...

What do you have in mind?
 
On the subject of peacekeeping operations, what are Iowa's actual powers? Knowing they stick to soft targets is nice and all but doesn't help with planning.
 
We could swap out that business about an anti-magic cannon (since when was that a thing?) with "Share information on potential threats: Iowa, Soujous, etc."
 
Re: Yuki told us about Iowa. What is the source of that information? In general, one could gather all third-hand accounts about a thing. One could go to observers, and gather second hand accounts about a thing. One could become an observer, and gather first hand knowledge. These have very different costs in risk.

Also, Sayaka isn't ready to do this for us yet.

Keep in mind the experience gap, it is a huge deal, and a big danger. Don't expose her without backup. Further, always grant wishes. Find things Sayaka can do that help, i.e. support together with her. She isn't a kunoichi, nor was that her intent.

We need to gather data faster.

For enchantment practice, one of our topics could expand a skill tree for Mami. Let's first have her form a pinwheel. Force it to turn. Start over, and form the ribbons into a windrunner pinwheel, then a fan. Power that in rotation. a bit bigger, more blades. Cylinder housing. Refine until she can make a ducted fan, out of ribbons. First step towards independent powered flight! . Let us get ready to increase her awesome! Our interest is to keep everybody safe, even as we go down some very dangerous paths. We need more effective power, for each of us.
 
[X] Defense pact
-[X] Discuss proactive befriending.
--[x] Clarify that while you'd appreciate help, megucatarian aid and peacekeeping operations won't invoke the treaty. You don't make people fight.
--[x] Ask if she'd mind sharing her address book. More allies, more clear seeds distributed, and you'd prefer preemptively talking down conflicts.
-[x] If no problems, sign the treaty.

[X] Yuki's Nexus
-[X] Homura's suggestion.
-[x] Nudge Sayaka: Power copying?

[X] Move on to transfer Airi and the antimagic enchantment.
-[x] Check if Sakura can handle the antimagic. Else, you or Yuki can handle transport.

[X] Before you forget, ask Kirika to check the IRCs Nadia provided.

[X] Rin and Sakura
-[x] Test for interest in legit moneymaking. You have meguca-aware business contacts. It's something for them to do, if nothing else.
-[x] Thank them again before parting ways.

[x] Thank Yuki for helping Rin. If there's anything you can do...
-[] Ask if she accepts hugs.
Oh, and asking Yuki about Rin and Sakura. That's pretty damned important, I feel. Yuki might do it of her own volition, knowing we care, but if she would share anything that could help us help the Sendai group (or prevent bad things from happening), it's better we ask.
Added a bit to address this. I think that we're best off letting her take the lead, especially given that one of the major problems with Rin+Sakura is that our involvement is specifically contraindicated. She's the expert.
I have commented whether we should ask Rin how they're doing on money, and I guess people like the idea, so...
We don't care about how they're doing on money and I doubt they're having any trouble. We're not just suggesting this for shits and giggles - it's specifically useful because it's something they can do with their time and that's the only reason it'd be useful to ask. Just asking if they're doing okay on money is going to get Sakura angry at us. But they asked us to share suggestions, and "maybe you could spend a few hours a day making a shit-ton of money" falls under that request. Brinapilot has excellent execution, if she understands the goals, but has been pretty bad about inferring unstated goals and analyses. That you've misunderstood this line of vote clearly demonstrates that it requires clarification.

I also clarified the motivation for clarifying treaty invocation. It's not because that was actually a question, it's a chance to further illustrate our ideals and provides a lead-in to the next question.

I fixed up the "contacts" line, since it was kinda borked in redshirt's vote. Stating that we have a business contact that's aware of magical girls goes a long way to emphasize the legitimacy of the offer as well as preempting the obvious counterarguments (feasibility on the large scale, interface with non-masquerade enterprises, receiving money via legit means, etcetera).

I won't put in the hugs, but the vote should be exactly 150 words if you re-add it.
 
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The sun shone brightly on the streets.

The normal sounds of pedestrian movement were overshadowed by the rush of teenagers happy about being let out of school.

Surrounded by this, a group of girls sat at the outdoor tables of a cafe.

Amidst this group, two girls, one a tall and obviously foreign teenager, the other one a much younger yet strikingly serious girl, regarded each other, and only each other.

On one side of the table, Yuki's eyes shone with barely contained excitement. The girl could barely believe she had met none other than the amazing Tomoe Mami, or that she was in the middle of a negotiation which could change the course of the world itself, forever.

Beyond those green orbs, plans and contigencies were being thought up and discarded just as quickly, the professional demeanor she clung onto demanded an intense back and forth, for her opponent to see through her thinly veiled deceptions, for none could possibly overlook how quickly she had tried to dismiss the danger possed by the enemies she had collected throughout her career.

It was lonely at the top. But not in the sense of being isolated from the world. Rather, in the sense that, standing atop a pile consisting of the broken hopes and dreams of other magical girls, she very much felt the need to isolate herself, less those girls managed to reach out and poke her. Violently.

A single thought troubled Yuki then and there. By what she had seen of Sabrina so far, the girl was just as likely to accept her words at face value, and close the defense pact then and there.

A part of her mind was giddy, knowing she could control the negotiations into her favour so easily, yet another part of her raged, demanding the clearly powerful girl not accept her terms, that she haggled, made counter proposals, made her own demands, something.

On the other side of the table, Sabrina's blue eyes scrutinized Yuki.

She wanted to hug the girl.

An eternal moment passed in a blink. Plans were decided on in each girl's mind, and were then set in motion.

"I have a demand to make," said Sabrina.

A purple eyebrow rose. "Oh?"

The white haired girl grinned.

She knew if she demanded hugs from Yuki, the girl would refuse.

"For the purposes of improving cooperation, and maybe fostering friendship between our teams..." her eyes narrowed, cunningly regarding the suddenly breathless Yuki, "I propose, every time our groups meet, we shall, at the very least once at the start, during, or at the end of the meeting, partake in hugs, every single one of us."

Stares were drawn to Sabrina at her proclamation, stares of disbelief, of confusion, of doubt, of consternation... but she only observed her target.

She didn't miss how Yuki stood on the edge of her seat, how her eyes widened... how they flickered for the shortest instant to the blonde girl held in Sabrina's arm.

A breath later, Tsuruya Yuki grinned dismissively. The quirk of her lips managed to convey the deep, old seated derision she had carried with her for so long, the derisive feelings that gnawed ever stronger at her whenever she met yet another presumptuous girl -or boy- who thought they could hug her just because she looked young.

Only, in this case, it was faked.

The purple haired girl trembled with giddiness. She couldn't help it. She knew she was being played, she understood then that everything up to this point had been nothing else than a trick, a farse.

She had understimated Sabrina.

There she was, taking the tall, powerful girl for a fool, but the same girl who played at being a fool had caught her in her until now hidden claws.

How could she pass up a chance to get a hug from Tomoe Mami?

Only a fraction of these thoughts reflected themselves on Yuki's facade. A fraction she was certain Sabrina had caught, her scrutinizing blue eyes couldn't have missed, as those orbs seemed to stare into her very soul.

"A peculiar proposal," she practically sneered, "but I'm certain you aren't quite so naive as to believe such a simple gesture would make us friends?" she almost-laughed right in Sabrina's face.

The tall girl sighed, sadly. Yuki's thoughts ground to a halt.

"I guess you're right, Miss Yuki," Sabrina's tone was nothing if not despondent, "please don't mind that proposal, it's probably just my brain damage acting up again..."

"Now, now, don't be so hasty," Yuki instantly back-tracked, filling away the brain damage comment for later, "you obviously believe there is some worth in your proposal, else you wouldn't have, well, proposed it, right?"

But Sabrina shook her head. "No, no, you're right, it probably would be a waste of time, nevermind disrespectful to force everyone to hug each other..."

Yuki's teeth clenched together. She couldn't lose this chance!

Help arrived from the unlikeliest source.

"Each girl should give at least one hug to someone in the other group."

Yuki and Sabrina -and everyone else- turned to stare at one Homura Akemi.

Sabrina's eyes were wide with surprise, for certainly Homura wouldn't- violet eyes stared back, a delicate eyebrow raised slightly.

Sabrina smiled, nodding in understanding. Obviously, Homura would simply not attend any meeting with the Fukushima girls were this motion to pass.

As the Grief controller started -not seriously- plotting ways to have the time traveller 'accidentally' attend such meetings, Yuki's thoughts whirled.

This was it. Her chance. She had refused Sabrina's first offer, which was obviously set too high, and she kicked herself for not recognizing that. In her excitement and following extreme disappointment and fear a losing the chance to hug Tomoe Mami, she almost let it slip.

But here she had it, a middle ground. A deal that would allow her to get what she wanted without making it look like it, and the chance had been dropped in her lap as if by god... or a devil.

"Very well," she stated, not letting a hint of her emotions seep into her voice, "I accept Mitakihara's proposal."

'WHAT?' exploded Sasami's voice inside her head, followed by yelling and murmurs as her teammates complained or trying to keep each other calm.

'It's not that bad!'

'She cut your arm off!'

'I'm fine, ain't I?'

'Don't we have a say in this?'

Yuki ignored it all. The opportunity was just too big to let it pass by.

"Is there anything else you wish to add?" she asked to the Mitakihara group at large.

Looks were shared, the phone remained conspicously silent.

Sabrina shrugged.

"Proactively making peace with your enemies instead of waiting for them to attack you, for which we offer help, and spreading Clear Seeds to other groups, for which we ask your help."

"Deal," nodded Yuki.

"Deal," nodded Sabrina, standing up, Mami following the action by virtue of their arms around each other's hips.

Yuki mirrored the action withuot thinking, extending her hand.

Sabrina took it-

Then she pulled.

Yuki eep'd as she was pulled over and across the table with magical strength, her hand twitching towards her hidden blade- to stop as she found herself engulfed in an embrace in Sabrina's and Mami's arms.

"Ah, you see, Yuki..." drawled Sabrina as she held the girl tightly alongside Mami, "you just agreed each girl in each group should give a hug to at least one in the other group and, well, you're the only representative of the Fukushima group available..."

Sabrina blinked, looking around.

"Wait, where's Homura?"

Mami and Yuki followed her eyes, to find the spot the quite girl had occupied, empty.

Sayaka shrugged. "Said there was an emergency and disappeared."

Sabrina blinked.

A cough from the smallest Magical Girl at the table, and Mami and Sabrina carefully deposited Yuki back on firm ground. The purple haired girl couldn't help a smile, looking for all the world like she had accomplished a life goal.

Then she proceeded to complete her part of the deal, or rather, to allow the bleunette to fulfill hers, as she offered Sayaka a hug.

'Homura...' thought Sabrina.

'I left before the agreement was made,' explained the time traveller.

Sabrina smirked. 'Let me guess, the emergency was the quickly approaching certainty of hugs?'

'... Yes.'

The tall girl chuckled, pulling Mami closer, the blonde happily melting into her embrace.

'You're so precious Homura, you know that?'

'... OK?'

'Can we talk, later?'

A few seconds passed in silence.

'About hugs?'

'And other things, too!'

'... Pants?'

'You're so getting hugged for that one.'

Homura's answer was just a mental shrug.
 
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[X] Defense pact
-[X] Discuss proactive befriending.
--[x] Clarify that while you'd appreciate help, megucatarian aid and peacekeeping operations won't invoke the treaty. You don't make people fight.
--[x] Ask if she'd mind sharing her address book. More allies, more clear seeds distributed, and you'd prefer preemptively talking down conflicts.
-[x] If no problems, sign the treaty.

[X] Yuki's Nexus
-[X] Homura's suggestion.
-[x] Nudge Sayaka: Power copying?

[X] Move on to transfer Airi and the antimagic enchantment.
-[x] Check if Sakura can handle the antimagic. Else, you or Yuki can handle transport.

[X] Before you forget, ask Kirika to check the IRCs Nadia provided.

[X] Rin and Sakura
-[x] Test for interest in legit moneymaking. You have meguca-aware business contacts. It's something for them to do, if nothing else.
-[x] Thank them again before parting ways.

[x] Thank Yuki for helping Rin. If there's anything you can do...
-[x] Ask if she accepts hugs.
 
[X] Refine Homura's Node strategy, accept, invite future discussion.
[X] Vebyast


Help Homura reach her goals by being a good friend? She may have a small error in progress, we should help her by asking about "do Nodes draw attention during combat? How do you keep from being barricaded in/out of them?

It isn't going to make a difference in the next 24 hours, but we are building out. Establishing structures shapes choices, and imposes costs to change them later. Be extra correct, especially with the most important girl in the world.

Edited for further capriciousness! Following this line of thought more seriously, Sayaka could use invisibility? Or Hypnosis? We smuggle Yuki into the school grounds soon. Sayaka goes to class, Yuki either claims dominion over a closet / room in the school, or if it must be a whole 'structure,' perhaps an outbuilding that is very small, like a shed or shelter. We need a bolthole for the 45 hours a week Madoka ISN'T at home.
 
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