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Err, can someone please explain why the blood leaks only from one side?

AuraTwilight said:
Kyubey's literally never even mentioned the word 'neuron' in anything even semi-canonical, so I don't know where this "Kyubey moved a neuron cluster" bullshit cropped up from. Bad fansubs?
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Now that I'm trying to find the quote, I cannot.
Soooo
I have no idea! Actually, I'm pretty much surprised I remember anything from what I watched five years ago and tried to repress ever since before coming to SV and finding Sayaka Quest. To be fair, I did include the possibility that I was full of shit in my post. No regrets!

As for why the body is not just meat puppet
We haven't seen any Gem doing much of anything without her body. The closest thing is Asunaro twins.

... Another question for Soulguca...
Does anyone keep tabs?
 
Raiseth said:
Err, can someone please explain why the blood leaks only from one side?



Now that I'm trying to find the quote, I cannot.
Soooo
I have no idea! Actually, I'm pretty much surprised I remember anything from what I watched five years ago and tried to repress ever since before coming to SV and finding Sayaka Quest. To be fair, I did include the possibility that I was full of shit in my post. No regrets!

As for why the body is not just meat puppet
We haven't seen any Gem doing much of anything without her body. The closest thing is Asunaro twins.

... Another question for Soulguca...
Does anyone keep tabs?
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There's a to-do list in the Day Planner. I can add it.

The Narrator said:
I don't actually see a hole in either of those shots, just a shitload of hair and not nearly enough blood for a headshot at close range.
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shitload of hair
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Excuse me, what did you say about Homumom's hair?
 
The Narrator said:
I don't actually see a hole in either of those shots, just a shitload of hair and not nearly enough blood for a headshot at close range.
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I mean, in fairness you can chalk that up to Japanese censorship laws. You can't actually depict what's being requested in a theatrical animation circa 2010-Present.

Most importantly, it's stressed in literally the next episode after the Lichbomb's reveal that neutralizing the needs of the body is a learned skill. You need to not only be Lichbombed, but also consciously turn off parts of it while continuing to operate the body. Oriko had no practice in magic AT ALL when we apprehended her in PMAS. Hell, she still felt PAIN.
 
AuraTwilight said:
Most importantly, it's stressed in literally the next episode after the Lichbomb's reveal that neutralizing the needs of the body is a learned skill. You need to not only be Lichbombed, but also consciously turn off parts of it while continuing to operate the body. Oriko had no practice in magic AT ALL when we apprehended her in PMAS. Hell, she still felt PAIN.
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Oriko was new to it, yes. But what about Masami, who was in that state for months?

Continuing to fight while fatally wounded without regard for pain is a thing that normal humans have been known to do. Magical girls being able to do so doesn't mean that their spinal cords are purely decorative.


Onmur said:
Excuse me, what did you say about Homumom's hair?
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That it doesn't lack for volume. :p
 
The Narrator said:
agical girls being able to do so doesn't mean that their spinal cords are purely decorative.
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Decorative spines...

Must not...

Must not...



"Oh, Sabrina, did you get a new spine? It makes your posture look so much better!"

"Yup! Check it out!"

*Poses*

*Hugs*

"Nicer to hug, too. I could get used to this...

"... Do you think I should...?"

*Hugs*

"You're perfect exactly as you are."
 
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The Narrator said:
Oriko was new to it, yes. But what about Masami, who was in that state for months?

Continuing to fight while fatally wounded without regard for pain is a thing that normal humans have been known to do. Magical girls being able to do so doesn't mean that their spinal cords are purely decorative.
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...Magic has a cost when you don't have Sabrina, Narrator.
 
You know, as much as I cheer the fact Sabrina's finally getting that surname so she can be S.V., I'm gonna be slightly sad to lose the "Sabrina, just Sabrina" introduction.

And when the new people we meet start addressing us as 'Miss Vee'? Man, will that feel weird at first!
 
AuraTwilight said:
...Magic has a cost when you don't have Sabrina, Narrator.
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I think it makes even less sense for the proposed intrinsic ability for magical girls to control parts of their body that are not physically connected to their brain to cost more than specific magical skills like telekinesis, than for said intrinsic ability to not exist at all. Yes, magic has a cost, but are you suggesting that it was cheaper for Masami to continue getting by with telekinesis than to learn to do it "properly"?
 
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Okay, as far as this talk about the necessity of a functional body goes, goes I'd like to point out Sendai veteran Minami Yumi.

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\\A heavy crack, and Minami's head snaps forward sharply. Her neck bends with a horrid, cracking noise, and Chouko's eyes go wide in horror.

\\A girl shimmers into view - Yuko, looking equally horrified.

\\And Minami staggers to the side, legs wobbly, but still working. Head still hanging limply at an unnatural angle.

\\Chouko bullrushes the girl, bodychecking her. Yuko, sensing her intention, helps, grabbing the disoriented gravity controller.

\\And they throw her off the roof.

\\Equal parts horror and triumph surges through Chouko as Minami's body tumbles limply off the edge. She'll be fine, she tells herself.
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Her neck is broken and lolling, but while she's a little wobbly, the text notes that her big problems aren't physical incantation, but disorientation. Which seems reasonable if she's not used to having her head flopping about.

Incidentally, @Firnagzen, can we get Cannongerbil's post I've quoted threadmarked? It's not the cleanest, but I think it'd be useful to have easily available for readthroughs.
 
Random832 said:
I think it makes even less sense for the proposed intrinsic ability for magical girls to control parts of their body that are not physically connected to their brain to cost more than specific magical skills like telekinesis, than for said intrinsic ability to not exist at all. Yes, magic has a cost, but are you suggesting that it was cheaper for Masami to continue getting by with telekinesis than to learn to do it "properly"?
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It depends how cheap the cost of her telekinesis was. Using magic to fix the damage on your body is expensive, as there's literally a case in Magia Record (mobage game) that depicts a Magical Girl witching out in front of her friends because she used too much magic in an attempt to fix damage that she received from a Witch.
 
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The Phoenixian said:
Okay, as far as this talk about the necessity of a functional body goes, goes I'd like to point out Sendai veteran Minami Yumi.


Her neck is broken and lolling, but while she's a little wobbly, the text notes that her big problems aren't physical incantation, but disorientation. Which seems reasonable if she's not used to having her head flopping about.

Incidentally, @Firnagzen, can we get Cannongerbil's post I've quoted threadmarked? It's not the cleanest, but I think it'd be useful to have easily available for readthroughs.
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Weird that's not threadmarked. It's cleaned up and posted in the Story Only Thread.
 
I think the body thing is like enchanting, in that you've got to learn how to compensate for injuries with magic through practice. Healing would be a different thing, far more expensive for non-healers but permanent instead of an ongoing cost. Homura has to fix her heart regularly just so she can do the high effort parts of being a magical girl, so she's got a ton of practice with complex body stuff.
 
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JarringToaster said:
It depends how cheap the cost of her telekinesis was. Using magic to fix the damage on your body is expensive, as there's literally a case in Magia Record (mobage game) that depicts a Magical Girl witching out in front of her friends because she used too much magic in an attempt to fix damage that she received from a Witch.
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I thought we were talking about "move her arms/legs via intrinsic lichbomb powers" vs "move her arms/legs via general-purpose telekinesis that not all meguca may have", not fixing damage.
 
Random832 said:
I think it makes even less sense for the proposed intrinsic ability for magical girls to control parts of their body that are not physically connected to their brain to cost more than specific magical skills like telekinesis, than for said intrinsic ability to not exist at all. Yes, magic has a cost, but are you suggesting that it was cheaper for Masami to continue getting by with telekinesis than to learn to do it "properly"?
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The Narrator said:
Masami was controlling her lower body through continuous use of her telekinesis, which is also magic and has a cost, Aura.
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We already canonically know that inherent, instinctual abilities generally cost less than learned skills, excepting crazy bullshit like Homura's Time Stop. Same source as the stats that I've often pulled for the main five girls, actually.

Additionally, magically improved bodily control isn't going to do much about keeping the disconnected bits together in a human silhouette, so she's gonna have to use telepathy anyway.
 
Uh, just came across this...

Script Mak3r said:
Gaseous Grief is distinct from solid nano-particle Grief.
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Appletank said:
......grief is weird, yo. Do we even have a lower limit on how small we can make these things?
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Firnagzen said:
You haven't found it if there is!
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... We literally haven't found how small we can make (non-Witchy) Grief yet? :S

... Actually, gaseous Grief does feel somewhat Witchy, doesn't it? Still, I'd like to test how small we can make non-Witch, non-solid Grief at some point.
 
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Matou Sutegobana said:
It'd be cool if we could make machines smaller than photons, but that would also be very overpowered.
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Do you mean smaller than a photon's wavelength? Because I assure you we most definitely can make machines smaller than some photon's wavelengths.



We have machines smaller than a meter across I think. :V
 
Onmur said:
... Why doesn't solid Grief feel Witchy?
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Depends on what exactly the "witch sense" possessed by magical girls actually is. If I had to guess, it's that inert grief isn't actually causing any particular effect on the world beyond merely existing, whereas witchy grief is generally activally violating physical laws. Magical Girls apparently sense this - probably partially by design, since this is a good indicator of where witches are focusing, which is useful when hunting.
 
Redshirt Army said:
Depends on what exactly the "witch sense" possessed by magical girls actually is. If I had to guess, it's that inert grief isn't actually causing any particular effect on the world beyond merely existing, whereas witchy grief is generally activally violating physical laws. Magical Girls apparently sense this - probably partially by design, since this is a good indicator of where witches are focusing, which is useful when hunting.
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I was thinking, Grief sense (or just magic sense) is probably Incubator designed, so maybe some states of Grief are an intentional blind spot, designed as such...

Then I thought, when we pull Grief out of a Soul, it comes out as a 'gas' (I think), which does ping radars, and which we 'condense' into a solid purely for convenience's sake. So it's probably the fact the Grief is in a Soul that hides its signature.

Then I thought about how Mami's senses are sharp enough to feel solid Grief. But Mami is Mami.

Lastly, I thought about the fact gaseous Grief is invisible. Now, solid Grief is not an actual solid, right? Why is solid Grief visible, if gaseous Grief is not?

When we make Grief solid, what are we doing? Is normal Grief invisible simply because it's an emotion? Could we make gaseous/liquid/plasma Grief that's just as visible and non-witchy as solid Grief? Will Oriko start addressing us as 'Vee-san'?

Does making Grief 'solid' equal to stomping down on it and declaring it stay put and not do things? Is solid Grief more firmly grounded in our three dimensions, and that's why normal people can see it?

Am I wasting my time and should I go to sleep?
 
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