Kyubey habitually erases people's memories, so he must have some way to read and write information on a normal human's brain.

Well he obviously has some way of writing information to a normal human's brain but if he has some way of reading it then he has some weird restriction on his use, like how he can't lie, or he wouldn't have been surprised by Madoka's wish.

Another option is that his memory re-writing is magic and intent based, using whatever mechanism lets them use telepathy without the emotions to do normal magic. "I want them to forget all about X".
 
Wasn't there a theory a while back about how QB was poaching enchantments from other magical girls (possibly several thousand years ago and galaxies away) and that's how it has its telepathy, mind-wiping, and nuts material analysis?
 
Kyubey habitually erases people's memories, so he must have some way to read and write information on a normal human's brain.

Given that normal humans can only receive or send telepathic messages if Kyubey specifically chooses to add them to the network (trying to spontaneously telepath Nagisa didn't work, for example), the idea that he plants some sort of subconscious trigger to flag certain thoughts as telepathic messages and not others doesn't seem to be out of the question.
Kirika's antimagic doesn't interfere with telepathy. It could be that it's a deeper kind of magic - we still don't know how soul gems work and antimagic doesn't interfere with those - but I believe that it more strongly supports the hypothesis that the telepathy is fully nonmagical.
It's probably a mix of these two. I strongly doubt that the Incubator civ just doesn't utilize magic, even if that means having to poach enchantments from aliums. Although Magic being weak but present in Incubators would provide a convenient reason why Kyuubey has so many bodies and so little care if he loses one - He's got a soul gem attuned to a whole group of vat-grown meatsuits, and he either uses only one at a time for ease of use or only ever uses one for one task at a time.

It's another question to add to the "We gotta just ask QB" list. I might start compiling one, actually, while we wait for this update.
 
It's another question to add to the "We gotta just ask QB" list. I might start compiling one, actually, while we wait for this update.

This quest has spent three years to cover two weeks. How long, exactly, do you expect the finale of PMAS to take to reach OOC? Ten years of total writing would be my upper limit for a guess, and even if Firn doubles the pacing speed, that's still around nine more weeks of IC time as an absolute upper end.

We are, frankly speaking, not going to make something competitive with the Incubator's energy payoff from Madoka contracting in nine weeks. We aren't even going to come close to something that demonstrates we can ever reach that capacity.

Ergo, for the foreseeable future of PMAS, QB is not going to stop wanting to kill us and all our friends, and that makes talking to him a very stupid, suicidal thing to do indeed. QB is good at killing people with words, and even if he can't break Sabrina, he can break her world.

Don't talk to the fucking bunnycat.
 
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This quest has spent three years to cover two weeks. How long, exactly, do you expect the finale of PMAS to take to reach OOC? Ten years of total writing would be my upper limit for a guess, and even if Firn doubles the pacing speed, that's still around nine more weeks of IC time as an absolute upper end.

We are, frankly speaking, not going to make something competitive with the Incubator's energy payoff from Madoka contracting in nine weeks. We aren't even going to come close to something that demonstrates we can ever reach that capacity.

Ergo, for the foreseeable future of PMAS, QB is not going to stop wanting to kill us and all our friends, and that makes talking to him a very stupid, suicidal thing to do indeed. QB is good at killing people with words, and even if he can't break Sabrina, he can break her world.

Don't talk to the fucking bunnycat.
Okay, this needs to be said.

It's not directly relevant to this argument but at a certain point your and Onmur's arguments around sound like you're arguing from a place of hype and paranoia.

When you discuss possibilities like mind reading in favor of overlooking more conventional methods of information gathering? Or when you argue from a headcanon Firn himself wasn't relevant? (To the point where he immediately jumped in when I even mentioned it?)

When you do, it hurts your cases. Badly.
 
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Okay, this needs to be said.

At a certain point your and Onmur's arguments around sound like you're arguing from a place of hype and paranoia.

When you discuss possibilities like mind reading in favor of overlooking more conventional methods of information gathering? Or when you argue from a headcanon Firn himself wasn't relevant? (To the point where he immediately jumped in when I even mentioned it?)

When you do, it hurts your cases. Badly.
Could you rephrase? I literally can't parse some of these sentences. It sounds like you're trying to reference something or other?
 
When you discuss possibilities like mind reading in favor of overlooking more conventional methods of information gathering? Or when you argue from a headcanon Firn himself wasn't relevant?

I wasn't aware that @Onmur had said anything at all about talking to the Incubator today, and looking back over my post, I don't see anywhere I said anything about mind reading.

I'm also not sure which headcanon I'm supposed to be citing here - the likely duration of PMAS is just common sense, and Madoka's energy generation level is well established canon.

Can you clarify what your comment is supposed to be referring to?
 
Ergo, for the foreseeable future of PMAS, QB is not going to stop wanting to kill us and all our friends, and that makes talking to him a very stupid, suicidal thing to do indeed. QB is good at killing people with words, and even if he can't break Sabrina, he can break her world.

I find this assertion hyperbolic and specious because I honestly cannot imagine the Incubator considers us a credible threat in the way you imply (not any more than it considers Homura a threat). Frankly, until we do something that legitimately, broadly disrupts the Witch Cycle on a greater-than-local scale (and remember, our entire planet may be "local" from its perspective; we've never asked), we are a novelty generating interesting data. If it decided we needed killed either literally or metaphorically, I have zero doubts it would be capable of doing so with cursory effort.

Concurrent with this, nine weeks is irrelevant to the Incubator. Keep in mind that it's not just playing a long game but the longest possible game, the end of which is the literal heat-death of the universe. It's not going to turn into a mouse when we turn Walpurgisnacht into the shovel we murder Feathers with any more than Madoka is going to turn into a pumpkin seal.
 
I find this assertion hyperbolic and specious because I honestly cannot imagine the Incubator considers us a credible threat in the way you imply (not any more than it considers Homura a threat). Frankly, until we do something that legitimately, broadly disrupts the Witch Cycle on a greater-than-local scale (and remember, our entire planet may be "local" from its perspective; we've never asked), we are a novelty generating interesting data. If it decided we needed killed either literally or metaphorically, I have zero doubts it would be capable of doing so with cursory effort.

Concurrent with this, nine weeks is irrelevant to the Incubator. Keep in mind that it's not just playing a long game but the longest possible game, the end of which is the literal heat-death of the universe. It's not going to turn into a mouse when we turn Walpurgisnacht into the shovel we murder Feathers with any more than Madoka is going to turn into a pumpkin seal.
Do keep in mind Kyuubey wants us to Witch out, yes?

There's no need for Kyuubey to believe we're a threat before it starts wanting us dead, because it wants us dead by default.
 
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I find this assertion hyperbolic and specious because I honestly cannot imagine the Incubator considers us a credible threat in the way you imply (not any more than it considers Homura a threat). Frankly, until we do something that legitimately, broadly disrupts the Witch Cycle on a greater-than-local scale (and remember, our entire planet may be "local" from its perspective; we've never asked), we are a novelty generating interesting data. If it decided we needed killed either literally or metaphorically, I have zero doubts it would be capable of doing so with cursory effort.

Concurrent with this, nine weeks is irrelevant to the Incubator. Keep in mind that it's not just playing a long game but the longest possible game, the end of which is the literal heat-death of the universe. It's not going to turn into a mouse when we turn Walpurgisnacht into the shovel we murder Feathers with any more than Madoka is going to turn into a pumpkin seal.

Um. QB doesn't want to "kill us and our friends" because we're a threat, it wants to kill us because we're the equivalent of a shitty toolbar that using up system resources when we prevent people from witching out, and QB would really prefer if teenage girls became incarnations of suffering forever instead of not doing that, which we oppose.

And I'm well aware that QB isn't going to stop being a threat in the future. That doesn't preclude it from being a threat, uh, now.
 
I find this assertion hyperbolic and specious because I honestly cannot imagine the Incubator considers us a credible threat in the way you imply (not any more than it considers Homura a threat). Frankly, until we do something that legitimately, broadly disrupts the Witch Cycle on a greater-than-local scale (and remember, our entire planet may be "local" from its perspective; we've never asked), we are a novelty generating interesting data. If it decided we needed killed either literally or metaphorically, I have zero doubts it would be capable of doing so with cursory effort.

Concurrent with this, nine weeks is irrelevant to the Incubator. Keep in mind that it's not just playing a long game but the longest possible game, the end of which is the literal heat-death of the universe. It's not going to turn into a mouse when we turn Walpurgisnacht into the shovel we murder Feathers with any more than Madoka is going to turn into a pumpkin seal.
The only reason QB kept Mami and others like her around was that if too many girls witched there would be no humans left to contract. If he got the required amount of energy, he would have no reason to keep meguca sane, and be perfectly fine eventually letting Earth get overrun by witch(es) (See: Gretchen). Unless we can demonstratively prove that we can generate some amount of energy capable of making Spiral Energy look pathetic, and that new system depends on getting rid of witches, he's going to want extra witches (ie, us dead) as a bonus.
 
Clearly Seedy: Cleaning Up

The stench of blood, sweat, and drugs is palpable, as you stare up at your saviour. She's laughing at you, but that's tapering off. "You're serious."

You stare into her eyes, repeating your statement. "Take me with you."

She leans back against the wall, and fishes a cigarette out of nowhere you can see. "You wanna do some shit out of The Professional? I don't do charity, kid. You think you can pull your weight?"

You nod, seriously. "Ditch me if you think I'm a burden - I swear, I won't be."

She lights the cigarette and takes a long drag, gazing at you all the while. "So what'd you wish for then, freshie? Exact wording, give me context."

You glare upwards indignantly. "Why-"

She levers herself off the wall. "Shut the fuck up." It's spoken without heat, in a casual tone, but you cut yourself off anyway. "Listen to me. Working on my side of the magical world doesn't work like it does for the Hunters. Different rules, different social order." She shoves a corpse out of one of the folding chairs and takes a seat in it, folding her spindly body enough that she's looking at you eye to eye.

"I don't give a fuck about your sob story or heart's desire or whatever the fuck. I want to know your wish because that tells me how useful you'll be, and if you're serious about your dumbshit idea of sticking with me, that's more than a little bit fucking important. Capiche?"

You swallow convulsively, looking at the bodies on the ground around you - hers in particular. Good riddance. Finally, you look up. "There's nothing in Hakodate for me anymore. My wish... 'I wish to be able to fix this. To make things better.' " It comes out flat as hell. Fixing things... it's still what you want. But the things you care most about are beyond fixing, now.

She hums. "And how does that currently express itself? Healing? Repair?" She glances at a pair of bodies in particular, swept up into the pile.

You avert your eyes, shaking your head. "A bit of that, but mostly enhancement - boosting attributes, enchanting items, and amplifying other magic."

You take some pride in the way the disdain slides off her face, replaced with contemplation. "Damn you're stupid. Don't tell anyone else you can amplify magic, got it? Healing is common as dirt and everyone can enchant shit, but amping magic is rare and useful. How long have you been contracted?"

You grimace, leaning forwards. "Two weeks. Two and a half."

She pauses, pulling the cigarette away from her lips. "Two weeks. Damn, freshie, you've got nerve."

You lean forward. "So...?"

She seems to come to a decision. "'Soul Gem' is literal. 'You' are inside the rock, you only pilot your body." She's gauging your reaction.

You fight to maintain your composure, looking up at her defiantly. She won't respect you if you back down. "Yeah, I know."

She leans in. "Magical Girls transform into Witches when their Soul Gem is full."

You blink. "Y-yeah. I know that too. She told me, to try to...to..."

She doesn't relent, her gaze pressing into you and pinning you down. "And?"

You swallow. "And... and nothing. I already thought I was gonna break from just the pain. And of the things s-she did... I was gonna die alone, forgotten, without anything left. Knowing that that's literal doesn't... it didn't change much."

The silence wraps around both of you, and it's overbearing. You break it, looking up. "Hah. I thought maybe the magic world would be less cruel then the true... the other one. Shows what I knew."

Now that you're looking, you can see that she's gazing at your soul gem, crossbow at the ready. She keeps an eye on it for a few seconds more, then finally looks back at you. "You can't blame the world for being cruel. The world just is. We're all just doing our own thing." Her eyes sweep over your refreshed pink outfit, but you're tired far past the point of being self-conscious. Without warning, she suddenly stands up. "...What the hell. You helped me finish the job, you have some spine, and that's good enough for me. Manage not to die and you might even be somebody some day."

She grabs the satchel of money and drugs and unceremoniously walks out of the room, detransforming as she goes, and it's not until her cry of "Keep up, dipshit!" reaches you that you start scrambling to catch up to her.

You stick close to her as you both emerge from the back rooms and pick your way through the crowded dance hall, wincing a bit as she slaps away the questing hand of one of the more high druggies at enhanced speed. You hope she didn't break too many bones.

From the outside, the nightclub looks like just another mildly seedy place. The exterior doesn't even hint at the kind of hell that you know once laid inside. You give it one last look, then turn away from the metaphorical ashes of your life and put on enough speed to catch up. As you get closer to your position beside her, you note she's already pulled out a cheap looking flip phone. She never turns to look at you, but between one stride and the next, all the street noises around you fade away, and you can hear the conversation as if it was happening in person.

"... fast work. I can see leaving this to you was the correct decision." A refined, aristocratic voice, dripping with (insincere?) flattery yet never somehow lowering its own status. "So what exactly was the commotion about, anyway?"

"Flattery won't get you a discount. It was some jumped up local, thought she could take over the local Yak and live large with a mind whammy or twenty. Had some Contractor thralls too. Three, total, Natasha among them. Irreversible, I'm afraid - when she died, so did her puppets." You shiver. "You'll need to replace the staff."

"Humph." You'd call it a cute sound of displeasure, if it wasn't for the circumstances. "Madame won't be happy, but it was always a risk. I'll be generous and call it a full completion. Standard payment."

Your rescuer rolls her eyes. "Don't be stingy, But-ter-fly." Her drawl drags the monicker out, with a sardonic edge. "I'm returning your goods, and if I put word out that I had to take down four Contractors solo and you only payed standard, you'd be out half your mercenaries."

"Oh, haggling is it? That's unlike you, Yumi." You blink. Somehow, in all the confusion... you'd never asked for her name. "Are you falling on hard times?"

The phone switches ears. "Don't even start. I don't have to be poor to not want to be ripped off." She tilts her head up, closing her eyes as her fingers pinch her bridge, but she weaves through the intersection without breaking pace. "I'm not exactly asking for the moon here. Gimme a price that the market would call fair for my work and there won't be any issues. Or do you think you can get service like this for a better rate?"

A genteel laugh. "Oh, you're no fun to tease. Very well, full hazard pay. Also, a bonus Seed, but you have to hear out my next offer in person. It'd be worth calling your debt null." Yumi glances at you, then stops walking. "I refuse."

"Oh?" The tone turns dangerous. "You've begged off before, and that was understandable, but if you won't even hear this offer out... Why, one might think you have no intention of repaying your debt at all!"

Her grasp on the phone is tight. "Don't feed me that. I'll hear you out, I'm just telling you now that if you're gonna tell me to commit elaborate suicide like the last time you offered this bullshit, then I'm not gonna lift a finger."

It's concerning just how flippantly the voice on the phone can go from unveiled threats to peaceful cheer. "Oh, it's nothing like those. You've proven yourself plenty since then, and you have worked down the debt. All you need to do is head to a nice coast, retrieve something for us, and follow up on a ... breach of contract. And that's all you're getting till the next time. I'll be seee~ing you!"

And just like that, the sounds of the street return. As she absently pulls out the SIM card and snaps it in half, Yumi turns to you. "You're sure you want to stick with me after hearing that bullshit?"

You grit your teeth as you nod again. How many times is she going to ask?

She smiles at that, a surprisingly gentle expression, before turning sharply down a corner as she tosses something to you. "Then we've got three days or so to get you presentable for quote-unquote 'Miss' Butterfly."

You fumble at the item for a second, needing to peel back the elastic before finally recognizing it as a Grief Seed wrapped in a thick layer of American hundred dollar bills. You gaze up past her lanky figure, at the rows and rows of fashion boutiques.

Her smile is as gentle as before, but her voice has a teasing edge. "Don't get lost, fresh meat!"



AN: Confused? Here's an explanation.
 
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The only reason QB kept Mami and others like her around was that if too many girls witched there would be no humans left to contract. If he got the required amount of energy, he would have no reason to keep meguca sane, and be perfectly fine eventually letting Earth get overrun by witch(es) (See: Gretchen). Unless we can demonstratively prove that we can generate some amount of energy capable of making Spiral Energy look pathetic, and that new system depends on getting rid of witches, he's going to want extra witches (ie, us dead) as a bonus.
Right, as something that isn't a gross non-sequitur, I should ask:

Do we know that that is all QB wants from magical girls?

We know that Kyuubey uses at least a little magic: There's some in his body. As such it's worth asking whether that's inherent, or if he's using enchantments learned from magical girls. In the latter case, enchanters themselves will be valuable to him.

It would certainly explain why he tries to keep a good relationship with magical girls: He values the enchantment work.

I don't think this is a meaningless difference either. It could have some fairly immediate implications.

If Kyuubey values Mami soley as a recruiter then she can be expected to be cut loose in one way or another as soon as deemed convenient.

On the other hand, according to Nadia, Mami is one of the best enchanters on the planet. Which, from Kyuubey's perspective, means she's one of his most useful R&D-guca. That means there's a lot more loss in sacrificing her for another goal and he's less likely to use her to hurt someone else.

Exactly how much that changes things is dependent on how the priorities are weighted.

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On an entirely different note that's been eating at me, Kyuubey has, in the past, simply not payed attention to normal humans: He flat out said he didn't know what happened to the most of the people in it when Sayaka's old apartment caught fire and recommended we check another source.

For that matter, we've seen him watching the Sendai group with one of his bodies. He's also come running after sensing some of our experiments from afar: Hildegard in particular comes to mind here.

In addition to those things putting a bound on just how trivially he can gather information it also raises the question of what he watches.

So, for instance, would he have payed attention to us meeting Mrs. Shizuki? That's one of the lesser reasons I want to ask Kyuubey about Tsuchiya Ritsuko. There's a small chance he could take it as us being "remarkably well informed" again, instead of realizing we had talked to Haruka. (Especially small given how much we talked about it after) And if he does, that says quite a lot of interesting things.
 
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Um. QB doesn't want to "kill us and our friends" because we're a threat, it wants to kill us because we're the equivalent of a shitty toolbar that using up system resources when we prevent people from witching out, and QB would really prefer if teenage girls became incarnations of suffering forever instead of not doing that, which we oppose.

And I'm well aware that QB isn't going to stop being a threat in the future. That doesn't preclude it from being a threat, uh, now.
No, actually, we're more the equivelent of a block of Thorium that, once it reached the power plant, was discovered had the particularly odd quality of removing Uranium from the surrounding environment and purifying it.

We're not particularly useful for the power operation, but we're a curiosity that may provide valuable research.

What I don't understand is why all the same people who consider Kyuubey to be a hyper-dangerous memetic hazard who's going to attempt to witch us out the next time we speak to him in any capacity, seem to want to engage him more directly and irritate him by continuing our plan precisely the same way except we have less information and Kyuubey has even less of a reason not to witchbomb everyone we know. If Kyuubey really is as dangerous as you guys say... What do you suggest we do about it?

This quest has spent three years to cover two weeks. How long, exactly, do you expect the finale of PMAS to take to reach OOC? Ten years of total writing would be my upper limit for a guess, and even if Firn doubles the pacing speed, that's still around nine more weeks of IC time as an absolute upper end.

We are, frankly speaking, not going to make something competitive with the Incubator's energy payoff from Madoka contracting in nine weeks. We aren't even going to come close to something that demonstrates we can ever reach that capacity.
1: You have no way of knowing that. We don't know how grief works, or how the Incubators generate energy using it. We don't even know if he actually uses the Grief Seeds we give him as infinite generators - we suspect, because that makes the most sense given what Firn and Canon has told us, but because we haven't asked Kyuubey, we don't actually know how he does it. He may be euthanizing every seed he consumes and turning it into raw energy directly. Maybe he turns them back into soul gems and keeps oscillating them between hope and despair. We don't actually know. And we won't find out if we don't ask - we'll only fight him in precisely the same fight we would have had had we spoken with the rat.

2: You assume that it matters if we get it done in the quest. The point isn't completing a Clean Grief project and thus being happy tree friends with QB forevermore. The point is looking at the problem and seeing if we can come up with a solution, because that will inform Firn of what we'll do in the future. Again, if Kyuubey wanted to witch us and our friends right the fuck now, he totally could, and I've yet to see you guys give a good argument why he wouldn't have done that. Or does he somehow not realize we're creating Clear Seeds and handing them out?

The only reason QB kept Mami and others like her around was that if too many girls witched there would be no humans left to contract.
The real question is, if he's that hostile... Why are Mami and Sabrina around right now? We're not needed for Senpai duties, There's at least two potentiates that we know, who would probably wish the moment we died if Kyuubey asked them to, one of whom is known to have the potential to fulfill his quota all on her lonesome! It really sounds like, if he doesn't have some ulterior motive, we should already be dead.

ffs people you make it sound like anyone who suggests talking to Kyuubey about anything is voting [Q] Seduce the Incubator.
 
...it wants to kill us because we're the equivalent of a shitty toolbar that using up system resources when we prevent people from witching out
There's no need for Kyuubey to believe we're a thread before it starts wanting us dead, because it wants us dead by default.
That kind of makes it definitionally irrelevant. The law of large numbers and simple attrition are both on the Incubator's side. At the scale it operates, we don't matter as anything more than an outlier and we have no strong indication that our expiration is receiving greater priority than the aggregate of the population in contact with Incubator terminals.

Look, I'm not going to defend the stupid thing, but neither am I going to support unwarranted paranoia and hyperbole. Yes, it is an entity which exists to foment discord. It has become very good at doing so, probably to some local contextual optimum based on heuristics and past statistics. Yes it uses a form of deceit to perpetuate a cycle of unwitting cannibalism. Yes, the individuals who set the Incubator on this path from era-unknown deserve our scorn and malice. Yes, it is persona non grata for the vast, vast majority of our daily life.

That does not mean we are unable to derive marginal utility from its existence whilst we are incapable rendering it unilaterally impotent.

The only reason QB kept Mami and others like her around was that if too many girls witched there would be no humans left to contract. If he got the required amount of energy, he would have no reason to keep meguca sane, and be perfectly fine eventually letting Earth get overrun by witch(es) (See: Gretchen). Unless we can demonstratively prove that we can generate some amount of energy capable of making Spiral Energy look pathetic, and that new system depends on getting rid of witches, he's going to want extra witches (ie, us dead) as a bonus.

The above is important, but you make some other points that do need addressed. Gretchen is a strange case, for sure, and flies in the face of the stated goal so thoroughly I consider it a plot hole or a mistake on part of the Incubator, like taking all your money out of S&P index funds to buy dogecoins.

As far as obsoleting Witches, I don't think it's implausible to make magical girls worth more alive than dead.

...or it could be that this all does make sense in the context of the system and our task is greater than we surmise. We don't know. For all that we talk a good game, we really, truly only have a surface-level understanding of this system and its mechanics. These are enough for us to extract many of the dynamics that arise, but we already know it's not enough because of the unintuitive nature of its willingness to allow a whole planet be destroyed by witches for a one-time capital gain.

To be sure, I think simply asking it questions is the least awful idea for addressing this knowledge gap before our local star eats us.
 
The above is important, but you make some other points that do need addressed. Gretchen is a strange case, for sure, and flies in the face of the stated goal so thoroughly I consider it a plot hole or a mistake on part of the Incubator, like taking all your money out of S&P index funds to buy dogecoins.
He did say he had a quota to fill. Interpretations could vary from a rate, which was stated in the Wraith verse to not be enough, to a fixed number. Maybe QB calculated that a civilization needs to on average survive for 1 million years to give them time to find other civs, in which case, if he wants for example 10 units/year for 1 million years but gets it in Gretchen in a single day, he's off to look for other civs.

Maybe QB likes the Witch system so much because he gets 100 units/year, while the Wraith one barely gets 10.1 units/year if he pushes them hard.

Possible assumptions on why he hasn't actively killed us is because he sees us as a idle curiosity at best, and focuses his efforts on the rest of the world while waiting for us to fuck up and die.

And the main reason several of us are so paranoid about QB is (I assume) because when Homura dropped her guard, she became an experiment. We don't want to give QB enough information to make him want to experiment on us. Maybe if Homura didn't feel the need to tell someone that Madoka and the witch system existed, Rebellion wouldn't have happened (whether Mado-kami coming down to reunite with Homura is good or not is another thing). I don't trust our social-fu to outsmart QB until we have something concrete that he would be forced to let us live. The more he deems us beneath its notice, the safer we'll be.
 
These are enough for us to extract many of the dynamics that arise, but we already know it's not enough because of the unintuitive nature of its willingness to allow a whole planet be destroyed by witches for a one-time capital gain.

That's actually pretty trivial to explain: the energy gain from Madoka just has to be larger than the aggregate expected net gain from the rest of our species, over the anticipated total remaining history of our species.

That's the assumption I'm running with, anyway, which should put the kinds of benefits Sabrina would need to be a viable alternative to a Madoka contract in perspective.

In any case, I'm done talking about this. If you want more replies from me about it, bribe me with constructive criticism about my omake first.
 
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*pokes head in*

Is the argument over? Are we good?

In any case, I'm done talking about this. If you want more replies from me about it, bribe me with constructive criticism about my omake first.

About said omake...

...I'm not sure I get it.

Something about a meguca trying to take over the local yakuza, and getting stomped by a merc hired by other magical girls that already did so? Contractors... Are they supposed to be Incubators? And a noob who's a magic amplifier?

That's what I'm getting from this.
 
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