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@Ugolino

Largely agree, recommended edits below though:

-[x]Timestop
-[x]Turn a large number of our grief marbles into a solid wall all around the skyscraper's edge. Try and coordinate with Mami to ribbon-tie the witch-kissed at the same time.
-[x]Grief-cleanse as needed.
-[x]Take a closer look at the Witch kisses once they're all down, but don't try pulling grief. Just look.
[x]Once the kissed are in no state to harm themselves and we've left timestop, go after the witch.
-[x]Maximum impact. Time stop and deploy Dakka until we can't time stop any more, then cleansing and further dakka. Grief and Musketry to clean up whatever remains.
 
Crasian01 said:
@Ugolino

Largely agree, recommended edits below though:

-[x]Timestop
-[x]Turn a large number of our grief marbles into a solid wall all around the skyscraper's edge. Try and coordinate with Mami to ribbon-tie the witch-kissed at the same time.
-[x]Grief-cleanse as needed.
-[x]Take a closer look at the Witch kisses once they're all down, but don't try pulling grief. Just look.
[x]Once the kissed are in no state to harm themselves and we've left timestop, go after the witch.
-[x]Maximum impact. Time stop and deploy Dakka until we can't time stop any more, then cleansing and further dakka. Grief and Musketry to clean up whatever remains.
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Technically, that last line's an improvement...non-technically, goddamnit, let's not get back into abusing timestop. :p

Look at it as making Mami feel more useful.
 
-[x]Timestop
-[x]Turn a large number of our grief marbles into a solid wall all around the skyscraper's edge. Try and coordinate with Mami to ribbon-tie the witch-kissed at the same time.
-[x]Grief-cleanse as needed.
-[x]Take a closer look at the Witch kisses once they're all down, but don't try pulling grief. Just look.
[x]Once the kissed are in no state to harm themselves and we've left timestop, go in and go after the witch.
-[x]Coordinated stomp. Careful but don't hold back and just roll everything that gets in the way.
 
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Ugolino said:
If we knew we could reliably remove witch kisses, that'd be a useful side trick. As it is, not the time to experiment.
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Totally agree about it being useful. I just meant that we didn't have to worry about it. Also, when would we get a better opportunity to experiment on one? We'd need an active Kiss, which means a live Witch. Like this one. Assuming Mami can tie down the shambling business folks -which is well within her power- why is now a bad time?
 
Krecart said:
Totally agree about it being useful. I just meant that we didn't have to worry about it. Also, when would we get a better opportunity to experiment on one? We'd need an active Kiss, which means a live Witch. Like this one. Assuming Mami can tie down the shambling business folks -which is well within her power- why is now a bad time?
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We have Mami along right now, and the focus is on stopping the evil witch with our trio to make Mami feel better- GRIEF SCIENCE can wait for when we're alone.
 
Krecart said:
why is now a bad time?
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Possibility that other workers are already in the barrier? Witch may notice if we interfere with the kisses and send familiars out to attack us and the workers En Masse? And what Ugo said.

Really, to do research on Witch victims we'd need a way to make sure that no other people are in danger while we work - this may be accomplished by sending someone else in as a scout to make sure no-one's in there before we begin SCIENCE. But that'll have to wait for another witch-Too many potential casualties here and now.

Will need to make time to do experiments, though. Next schoolday we'll get to it (or at least the SCIENCE that doesn't require a witch).

[x]Hahahaha. NOPE. No one's dying with Mami there to be guilty over it.
-[x]Timestop?
-[x]Turn a large number of our grief marbles into a solid wall all around the skyscraper's edge. Try and coordinate with Mami to ribbon the witch-kissed at the same time.
-[x]Grief-cleanse as needed.
-[x]Take a closer look at the Witch kisses once they're all down, but don't try pulling grief. Just look.
[x]Once the kissed are in no state to harm themselves and we've left timestop, go in and go after the witch.
-[x]Coordinated stomp. Careful but don't hold back and just roll everything that gets in the way.
 
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Ugolino said:
...Yeah, no, we like our fingers and healing is a time consuming annoyance. We can easily test solid corrosion on our own time the same way we did gaseous grief. Our finger randomly falling off would make for fun conversation, no?

Grief is not a toy. Use it on its own, go wild with music and sculptures, and such...but when putting it near other magical girls, we want to think things through. Testing is testing, messing around is messing around.
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The ring IS a test. A very simple, low-risk test. We're a lich, we can get a new finger. We know Homura Akemi. Time is a mild annoyance. We'd also learn if not!marbles (nobody's given me a reason re: why they aren't just solid constructs like the platform) persist when we go to sleep/stop paying attention to them. Which would be good to know in the event Sabrina is rendered unconscious.
We could use a pinky toe instead. You don't even need those. Besides, I think we'd notice before anything fell off. It's not like we run around with our sense of touch/pain off by default.
 
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So stick the ring on a folded handkerchief and carry it around in our pocket for a week if we're really that terrified that grief-marbles are so different than grief-other-solids and also too terrified of touching grief-other-solids for more than ten seconds at a time.

Problem solved forever.

EDIT: Also, there is never going to be a convenient, safe, controlled environment to test whether we can remove a witch's kiss, because by definition if there's a kiss, there's a life at risk. The debate on that point should not be "is this a convenient time" but rather "is it worth the attempt?"

EDIT PART 2, THE RE-EDITING: Though now is probably more inconveient than others, because Mami.
 
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Yeah, this is about as good of an experimental situation as we're going to get. We have timestop, limitless binding, and no other pressing matters.

As much as I hate abusing timestop, if we want to be absolutely sure that we didn't let anyone die, we need to use it here--not just for the people outside the barrier, but for anyone who might be inside the barrier, and in serious danger. Once we check inside the barrier, then we can have Mami bind the Witch-kissed victims so they can't get hurt, exit timestop, and examine the Witch-kiss marks themselves--and if we're confident enough, remove them without dealing with the witch first. As long as the barrier isn't too convoluted on the inside, it should be a quick affair.
 
The problem is that Mami is here, so while in purely practical terms now would be the best time to start experimenting with witches, our primary goal in going on this witch hunt is to make Mami feel better about herself, so taking time away from saving people to fuss about with grief science is really not what we should be doing right now.

As for the Grief ring experiment, I'm not opposed to it, but I am still wary of assuming that grief affects us the same way it would affect others. Admittedly, after the grief platform, it can reasonably be assumed that solid grief doesn't have immediate detrimental effects, but considering the worst case scenario...
 
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Our priority here is to make Mami feel better, which means she has to play a larger role in this witch fight. That, and we don't know if there've been any after-effects of that anti-magic on Homura's shield.

Mostly though, I'm not a fan of anything that even looks like endless timestop. We need to use it to confirm the people outside are safe, but if anyone's inside the barrier, we're going to blitzkrieg the witch fast enough to most likely save them anyway.

Pinkies and toes are not worth losing and needing to regrow over SCIENCE.
 
...and the Time Stop phobia continues. In a quest where it can be used indefinitely. Good job with that, Firn.

Ugolino said:
Pinkies and toes are not worth losing and needing to regrow over SCIENCE.
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...what? I'm not saying the ring plan is great, considering Sabrina (as a Grief Controller) is a horrible test subject, but regrowing a pinky while we have an unlimited magic supply is totally worth doing for the sake of SCIENCE.
 
I have to agree with them here, Ugo. It's best that we confirm what effects grief has on living flesh before we accidentally eat through someone we like, and the ring plan allows us to do so in a controlled environment with minimal consequences if something does go wrong.

As for timestop, well, I'm not a fan of prolonged timestop either, but minimizing civilian casualties while dealing with a witch is I think a cause worthy of breaking out the timestop. We really don't want to have anyone die here if we can help it.
 
We're not a dedicated healer so regrowing the digit from scratch'd take a bit more effort/time, and it's really not worth the headache to lose a whole digit over it. Proximity to something like fabric, sure.
 
Ugolino said:
We're not a dedicated healer so regrowing the digit from scratch'd take a bit more effort/time, and it's really not worth the headache to lose a whole digit over it. Proximity to something like fabric, sure.
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It's a finger, not an arm. We managed to restore a mangled leg in under and hour, so regrowing a finger shouldn't take that much longer. It's not like we have to go to school or anything, so even in the worst case scenario we can just sit on top of a building somewhere and regrow the finger while observing the city in a stereotypically anime-like fashion.
 
Cannongerbil said:
It's a finger, not an arm. We managed to restore a mangled leg in under and hour, so regrowing a finger shouldn't take that much longer. It's not like we have to go to school or anything, so even in the worst case scenario we can just sit on top of a building somewhere and regrow the finger while observing the city in a stereotypically anime-like fashion.
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Point. Still not looking forward to explaining it. :p
 
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