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FeepingCreature said:
The Incubators know it's not them doing it. Otherwise, they could just end entropy directly. Or create specialised, nonconscious anguished-drama-maximizers.

It's not about what we can prove, it's that they themselves should know better.
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And now I'm trying to imagine a non-conscious anguished-drama-maximizer.

I mean... A box with a speaker that gripes and yells and cries would do a decent impression to outside observers, but I don't think there's any actual anguish there. Or drama.
 
FeepingCreature said:
The Incubators know it's not them doing it. Otherwise, they could just end entropy directly. Or create specialised, nonconscious anguished-drama-maximizers.

It's not about what we can prove, it's that they themselves should know better.
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The incubators know that it's via Emotions that allow magic to happen, they also don't force people to do it. The one's that should 'know better' are little girls.
 
[X] Redshirt Army

The only thing i like about kyubey his lack of emotion means he doesn't care if we treated him as friend or foe. Too bad his goal will result at the end of humanity.
 
Onmur said:
Who are you lot and where is the shadowrunning SV who won't give KB the time of the day in case that gives him a clue that'll let him breach the fourth wall and attack our universe?
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We're still here. We are shadowrunning so much that we don't want to let on to Kyuubey that we despise him.

I mean it isn't proper shadowrunning to tell 'friend computer' that you refuse to work for him.
 
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[X] Redshirt Army

I do definitely think that we should talk to this girl through telepathy before meeting up. KB only said he would like us to meet, not that she wanted to, or even expects us.

Even if KB isn't planning to screw us over, it lacks the emotional capacity to understand humans, and thus accurately predict how this girl would react to us.

X: DIE WITCH GIRL!!!!:mad:
SV: KB, what the heck?
KB: I am unsure, she has always been open to teaching others, and she agreed when I asked if she would be willing to assisst me by taking a new student.
SV: Well, do you know what set her off?!
KB: Her teammate was killed a week ago when it turned out that what she believed was a new magical girl in a Labyrinth was in fact a disguised witch. Do you think that may have any relevance to the current situation?
SV::confused:
 
Qwertystop said:
A box with a speaker that gripes and yells and cries
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(*angry synthy shouty noises*)
"Kyubey, what even is this."
"We are attempting to solve entropy by connecting a text-to-speech device to a Worm morality debate thread and harnessing the resulting anguish."
"...is it working?"
"I regret everything. Please kill me, Sabrina, I can't take this anymore."
 
Echo said:
(*angry synthy shouty noises*)
"Kyubey, what even is this."
"We are attempting to solve entropy by connecting a text-to-speech device to a Worm morality debate thread and harnessing the resulting anguish."
"...is it working?"
"I regret everything. Please kill me, Sabrina, I can't take this anymore."
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I hear that Kyubey-flesh is a dish best served salty. :V
 
Godwinson said:
My only complaint is that if the girl is needing immediate cleansing, and she sent Kyuubey to talk to us about it, this could be the rat technically fulfilling the request, while doing so in a way that's optimized to get us to knee-jerk refuse. Remember, we're not the only person Kyuubey might be looking to fuck over in this conversation.
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Model DC.14F said:
I do definitely think that we should talk to this girl through telepathy before meeting up. KB only said he would like us to meet, not that she wanted to, or even expects us.
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I agree with both of these sentiments.

@Redshirt Army Ask Kyubey to connect us to the girl in question via telepathy so we can find out what her deal is from her instead of from the Mephistopheles metaphor.

Matou Sutegobana said:
I mean it isn't proper shadowrunning to tell 'friend computer' that you refuse to work for him.
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That's Paranoia. In Shadowrun, the 'runners will often assume that either the job the Johnson is hiring them to do is a trap, or that when it's done he's going to try to kill them instead of paying them. Which is pretty much what we're expecting from Kyubey.
 
So, including asking about stealthguca and compressing vote to less words:

[] Choose your words carefully.
[] Agree on the conditions that KB gives you detailed information on Kuroki Matsuko and any nearby meguca in need of Seeds; helps you with your SCIENCE session; and puts you in contact with stealthguca right now.
-[] Be friendly with stealthguca: Explain what KB told you and try to schedule a meeting, but first and foremost explain and offer your cleansing powers.
[] Once at Warehouse-kun, SCIENCE!:
-[] Quick-test whether your control range is centered on your Gem, Body, or both. Get input from KB.
-[] Make Grief invisibly small without witchy-feeling. Try to feel your surroundings with such Grief: If you feel you can mantain this 24/7 without problems, attempt so.
-[] Channel Control magic through a piece of Mami's Ribbon.
-[] Channel Grief Control through Ribbon. Attempt to use Ribbon to extend your range.
 
I think Redshirt's vote could use some refinement. Onmur's said some, but I think there's more to say on the science side of things.

Redshirt Army said:
[X] Try dispersing your Grief into particles smaller than the wavelength of visible light, and/or otherwise making it invisible.
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I'd like to suggest other options as well. Namely Metamaterial cloaking and Matte color+ lever senors + light emission for active camouflage.

[X] Additional testing: Ribbons!
-[X] Channeling for Control Magic through Ribbon.
-[X] Channeling Grief Control through Ribbon. Attempt to use Ribbon to extend your range.
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This should probably happen earlier, or even first. IIRC, unless Mami did something special we only have 30 minutes until the ribbon dissolves.

Vote modification:

[X] Choose your words carefully.
[X] Agree on the conditions that KB gives you detailed information on Kuroki Matsuko and any nearby meguca in need of Seeds; helps you with your SCIENCE session; and puts you in contact with stealthguca right now.
-[X] Be friendly with stealthguca: Explain what KB told you and try to schedule a meeting, but first and foremost explain and offer your cleansing powers.

[X] Once at Warehouse-kun, run tests:
-[X] Make liquid grief. Let it sit somewhere and check for corrosion and other effects later.
-[X] Channeling for Control Magic through Ribbon.
-[X] Channeling Grief Control through Ribbon. Attempt to use Ribbon to extend your range.
-[X] Whether your gem or body is the center of your range.
-[X] Try methods of non-witchy invisibility: nanoparticles, active camoflauge, light affecting metamaterials, and so on.
-[X] Grief nanoparticulate utility fog.
-[X] Whether you can use metamaterials for color.

Tests arranged in order from what I consider the most necessary and most trivial to least of both.

Fluid grief at the top since it isn't strictly necessary, but it's really quite trivial, all we have to do is make it, and we know nothing about it yet. For instance, if it's transparent, like gaseous grief, but less witchy, that could come in handy in lenses and windscreens. That and just letting it sit in contact with other things for a while is a valid test that takes a little time, but no effort.

Plus, this way, if we run out of time mid test we've already gotten the important/fundamental stuff done.
 
Guys. A thought occurs.

So, what if this is Kyuubey trying to determine what knowledge we possess by leading us to Kuroki's Witch and watching our reaction?

Even if Kuroki has already witched out and Kyuubey already knows it, nothing in Kyuubey's couched statements is technically a lie. "I would like to introduce you." "I would like you to aquire a stealth enchantment from her." Neither of these things is actually going to happen, but they would have benefited us both if they could have.

"Sayaka needs to go to school. Additionally, she's inexperienced with enchantment and won't be able to make you a stealth device." Kuroki won't be able to either, but we're talking about Sayaka here.

I mean, we should still try to talk to this girl and extend help, if she still can be, but there's more than just obvious ways for this to be a trap.

[x] Redshirt Army
 
artanis00 said:
Must have missed that development. Also, holy shit you can do that?!
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UbeOne said:
I asked the same question too. Something about the shape of the wings.
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As far as I can tell, the placement of the engines can help to direct the boom, while the design of the fuselage and wings somehow "shapes" the sound from a bang to a muffled thump (possibly by also directing some of the noise away from the ground). NASA is currently working on these low-boom aircraft designs, and apparently expects to fly test demonstrators by about 2020.

There are some good articles about the subject on NASA's website.
 
Still a young, developing field of study, eh?

Though I think we would likely use trial and error (or maybe just intent?) to achieve that.
 
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UbeOne said:
Still a young, developing field of study, eh?

Though I think we would likely use trial and error (or maybe just intent?) to achieve that.
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Not that young. The first demonstration of the concept of sonic boom shaping/reduction was in 2003-2004, when a modified F-5E was able to reduce its boom by about 30%.

But that is a good point about how we could do it. Would we need to math it out ourselves or could we simply will the grief into taking a shape suitable for our needs?

Actually, considering how the world of Madoka Magica is more advanced than ours, we should check to see if people haven't already figured this out. I remember seeing some interestingly shaped aircraft flying overhead in the movies.
 
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Magic usually makes up for physics shortcomings or complications. Grief short-circuits a lot of say, the physics needed to run the MECHA GURREN ZILLA LAGANN.

...I think.
 
Hm, maybe. But in the case of the MECHA GURREN ZILLA LAGANN there wasn't really that much physics happening. All of the parts were made of Grief, which we control absolutely. We can make Grief move however we want it to without worrying about mass, weight distribution, balance, etc.

The real question is, can we use our magic to simply Grief up a shape that makes the sonic boom behave how we want it to, without fully understanding the principles ourselves? Does one of the thread members need to know how this stuff works for Sabrina to do something involving it? I know that the various optical systems we've used likely come from Firn's knowledge of optics and veb's knowledge of stuff, and that the random Grief-book on cement also came from the knowledge of a user, for example.

If one of us does need to understand it for Brina to use it, do we have any specialists on supersonic aerodynamics here? :V


But I'm pretty sure little of this matters; we could probably just get a boom-suppressing enchantment somewhere to go along with our other planned stealth enchantments. In the meantime, I think subsonic flight will do just fine.
 
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