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DB_Explorer said:
.... umm could I have SOME sort of outline for the plan??
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*sigh*

Only for you.

Basic summary:

"Mami i dont want you to come because:

"I want you to be happy. You being happy makes *me* happy. And I don't want you to come with me to Asunaro because I'm afraid that there might be stuff happening there that would *traumatize* you. because you're a *good person*. It's a situation that's *ugly* rather than dangerous, and I don't want you mixed up in it if it's happening."


If Mami decides she wants to come anyway:

We take her with us, going to Asunaro after school monday, and we just don't fucking wotchbomb her intentionally.

I'm not rehashing the entire damn plan in full detail until we're closer to execution, because all the notes for it are scattered around and finding them is going to be a chore.
 
We could try calling ahead to Asunaro to see what kind of reception we can expect. If Michiru hasn't witched out yet, then Mami should be able to reach her by telepathy.

We need what Asunaro can do. And I don't just mean the pseudo-dewitching. They had an anti-Kyubey barrier. Think about all the hoops we've had to jump through to keep Kyubey's nose out of our business. Think about all the time and effort that Homura has to spend keeping him away from Madoka. If we could banish him from Mitakihara, those would cease to be concerns. In the long term, I would want to put up a chain of satellites to project this barrier over the entire planet and banish the Incubators from Earth, finally freeing humanity from their exploitation.
 
I keep losing this thread from my alerts list because it moves so damned fast

Anyway, just wanted to say that I greatly enjoyed Higure's omake from like four pages ago

And that I support the plan of leaving Mami out of going to Asunaro if at all possible. I've never actually read that side story, but everything I've heard about it males it sound like the last place we want to take someone who's barely holding it together as is
 
UbeOne said:
Mami met and saved Michiru once. The latter was never her kouhai.
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Blegh, late-nite posting. Double-checking, you're right; Mami saves her in passing, and they don't even stop to chat-- Michiru knows she has muskets and ribbons (which she imitates out of admiration), but they don't even know each other's names. This makes things marginally less complicated, but it still implies leaving her behind while we go into dangerous territory... We'll cross that bridge when we get to it, I suppose.
The Narrator said:
We could try calling ahead to Asunaro to see what kind of reception we can expect. If Michiru hasn't witched out yet, then Mami should be able to reach her by telepathy.

We need what Asunaro can do. And I don't just mean the pseudo-dewitching. They had an anti-Kyubey barrier. Think about all the hoops we've had to jump through to keep Kyubey's nose out of our business. Think about all the time and effort that Homura has to spend keeping him away from Madoka. If we could banish him from Mitakihara, those would cease to be concerns. In the long term, I would want to put up a chain of satellites to project this barrier over the entire planet and banish the Incubators from Earth, finally freeing humanity from their exploitation.
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Unfortunately, this probably precludes telepathy. Unless we have the ability to ping people we know about, but have never met in person?

Technically, the Pleiades' Anti-Incubator barrier doesn't banish Kyubey, it just prevents anyone from seeing, hearing, or interacting with him and audits everyone's memories to replace instances of Kyubey with Jyubey. So it effectively bars him from recruiting or manipulating anyone under its protection, but doesn't prevent him from snooping and taking that information elsewhere (which is a little unfortunate, depending on how you look at it, since the dying can't contract to save themselves). Jyubeys also solve pretty much all of our sphere of influence issues, so we need to get to making those STAT.
Appletank said:
So, apparently if you're badass enough you can grief spiral, yet stare at your gem and say "No, I ain't going yet"?
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Kirika and Sabrina could, if it were in defense of their respective ojous (but we have griffbending so it's k). Sayaka and Kyouko probably could, depending on the circumstances. Mami decidedly couldn't, since her emotional fortitude is still pretty much shot. Homu won't ever need to, because she knows she's fucked if she's ever in a position where she can't just reload her save-state.

Edit: It's unclear when, but Umika has apparently at least observed Kyouko before (if not actually met her), as she imitates her Rosso Phantasma during the final fight.
 
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Always Happening said:
Unfortunately, this probably precludes telepathy. Unless we have the ability to ping people we know about, but have never met in person?
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Well, crap. I didn't realize that they actually hadn't spoken. We probably can't have Mami telepathy her, then.

On the other hand, it means that people aren't suggesting that we not tell Mami one of her friends is in peril, since they're essentially total strangers.

Always Happening said:
Technically, the Pleiades' Anti-Incubator barrier doesn't banish Kyubey, it just prevents anyone from seeing, hearing, or interacting with him...
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That still effectively neuters his ability to act against us by saying awful shit to our friends, so it's a step in the right direction. We'd still need the privacy measures, but at least we wouldn't be constantly worried that Kyubey would appear and witchbomb somebody. And most importantly, Madoka couldn't make a contract.

It's also possible that we could work with Asunaro to come up with a barrier that would actually prevent him from entering entirely, given some time and effort.
 
I fully support any plan regarding not taking Mami to Asunaro, at least on the first trip. That being said...
Kaizuki said:
If Mami decides she wants to come anyway:
We take her with us, going to Asunaro after school monday, and we just don't fucking wotchbomb her intentionally.
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...if we do end up taking Mami with us, this is a situation with a known risk of a witchbomb. While it's rough for her to hear of bombs from us, her getting it from anywhere else is far more hazardous, and leaves us reacting and running damage control. Which, as prevously noted, is bad.
I would say if we end up having to take her, we're going to need to reveal the witchbomb. Ideally, by explaining it and how we think we can fix it with the assistance of the Asunaro girls.
 
Always Happening said:
So I just finished a quick re-read of PMKM. Another good reason to get there quickly and nip this shit in the bud: The Pleiades are really into combo magic. Not only could we learn from it, but Niko only derived Kazumi's body from Michiru's witch's remains; the actual reanimation ritual was a joint effort by all six of them, meaning that it's likely complex and/or resource-intensive. Oh, and the Pleiades keep the degenerate Kazumi clones locked up in a warehouse somewhere-- apparently, they don't fully revert into witches. Saki was supposed to terminate them, but never had the guts to (due to them having Michiru's face), and them turning up if we have company with us could make things... ethically complicated (soul gem harvesting and all aside).

More interestingly, there's more evidence that the birth of the witch and the death of the soul aren't simultaneous, and that the Puella Magi's soul can continue resisting the witch through copious amounts of emotional willpower (exceptional circumstances, since emotional willpower is usually exactly what just broke completely when the witchout occurs)-- In Oriko Magica, Kirika's witch actively defends Oriko instead of attacking her due to her love for her; in Kazumi Magica, Saki's witch actually commits suicide so that Kazumi can use her grief seed to save Umika and Kaoru (who themselves manage to delay their own witchouts by upwards of a minute by refusing to give in to despair, despite having completely exhausted their magic and thus being effectively incapacitated).



How do we not bring Mami? We all know this is likely to be extremely dangerous, and she's going to want to know where we're going and what we're doing... and Michiru is one of Mami's recruits.
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Ad 1) We have to do something about Asunaro.Save as many of them ax possible. I hope thats a given.
Ad 2) We should at keast try to keep the Mami out of it for now.To do so, it would be best to find a reason sge would believe in. Are there any?
Ad 3)Worts come to worst, we get HoMURA to timestop most of our Asunaro travelling? The less time we spend away from Mami the better?We could try to do it in School time?
 
Right now, I think we're generally leaning towards doing it Monday while Mami is in school.

To be honest, I'm not thrilled about the idea of going to Asunaro alone. If it turns out that the charlie-foxtrot has already started, we could be walking into a six-on-one ambush.
 
Sailor Midgard said:
Ad 1) We have to do something about Asunaro.Save as many of them ax possible. I hope thats a given.
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Saving all the megucas is what we do, of course. Should circumstances somehow force us to choose, our triage rescue priority should be as follows:
1: Niko Kanna (Alchemist, Magitechnician, least likely to crack under pressure-- cannot die under any circumstances, because we need her for Jyubeys and dewitching)
2: Michiru Kazusa (If still alive: All-around strong meguca, natural bestbuddy for Mami and Kyouko, any of the Pleiades will sacrifice themselves to save her due to their life debt)
2.5: Umika Misaki (Resident memory auditor, headed the Anti-Coob Barrier project, can create highly efficient shields, and can read minds using her tome)
3: Yuuri Asuka (If still alive: Strong healer spec, and saving her obviates Anri Airi as a threat)
4: Everyone else (Saki is slightly higher priority due to being/becoming Mirai's ojou; if she goes, Mirai despairs)
5: Kazumi (Whichever one(s) is (are) active at the time; while we don't like moral quandries, the rest of the Pleiades consider her an expendable prototype, and she's largely strong enough to take care of herself. If she's a prototype with Michiru's memories, she's not kosher to bring near the Mumi until we get the whole 'turning into a chimera' thing under control)
6: Kanna Hijiri (Has a vested interest in killing the Pleiades and us if we interfere with her revenge plot; can potentially be socialled if we can get her and Niko into a pow-wow before things escalate too far. Responsible for developing Evil Nuts)
7: Anri Airi (Has a vested interest in killing the Pleiades and us if we interfere with her revenge plot; supremely unlikely to be able to be socialled because Kyubey convinced her that the Pleiades murdered her oujo, so she sold her soul to him in order to turn into her oujo and avenge her death)
∞: The Soujus (Complete fucking psychopaths who collect soul gems for the sake of it; have to rock them twice to keep them down)
Ad 3)Worts come to worst, we get HoMURA to timestop most of our Asunaro travelling? The less time we spend away from Mami the better?We could try to do it in School time?
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The Narrator said:
Right now, I think we're generally leaning towards doing it Monday while Mami is in school.

To be honest, I'm not thrilled about the idea of going to Asunaro alone. If it turns out that the charlie-foxtrot has already started, we could be walking into a six-on-one ambush.
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This seems like the most prudent plan. I'd prefer to have a strike team of Sabrina, Homura, and Kirika since they don't have other engagements and maximize our force multiplication.

Edit: Adjustments to the rescue/threat list.
 
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Sailor Midgard said:
Ad 1) We have to do something about Asunaro.Save as many of them ax possible. I hope thats a given.
Ad 2) We should at keast try to keep the Mami out of it for now.To do so, it would be best to find a reason sge would believe in. Are there any?
Ad 3)Worts come to worst, we get HoMURA to timestop most of our Asunaro travelling? The less time we spend away from Mami the better?We could try to do it in School time?
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And this is why I didn't want to bother, @DB_Explorer. Because nobody pays attention anyway. I'll post something comprehensive later when we're really thinking about it and not just slinging posts around.
 
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Always Happening said:
Saving all the megucas is what we do, of course. Should circumstances somehow force us to choose, our triage rescue priority should be as follows:
1: Niko Kanna (Alchemist, Magitechnician, least likely to crack under pressure-- cannot die under any circumstances, because we need her for Jyubeys and dewitching)
2: Michiru Kazusa (If still alive: All-around strong meguca, natural bestbuddy for Mami and Kyouko, any of the Pleiades will sacrifice themselves to save her due to their life debt)
2.5: Umika Misaki (Resident memory auditor, headed the Anti-Coob Barrier project, can create highly efficient shields, and can read minds using her tome)
3: Everyone else (Saki is slightly higher priority due to being/becoming Mirai's ojou; if she goes, Mirai despairs)
4: Kazumi (Whichever one(s) is (are) active at the time; while we don't like moral quandries, the rest of the Pleiades consider her an expendable prototype, and she's largely strong enough to take care of herself. If she's a prototype with Michiru's memories, she's not kosher to bring near the Mumi until we get the whole 'turning into a chimera' thing under control)
5: Anri Airi/Kanna Hijiri (have vested interests in killing the Pleiades and us if we interfere with their revenge plots)
6: The Soujus (Complete fucking psychos who collect soul gems for the sake of it; have to rock them twice to keep them down)


This seems like the most prudent plan. I'd prefer to have a strike team of Sabrina, Homura, and Kirika since they don't have other engagements and maximize our force multiplication.
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Hello! Nice to see we have a Driving Poster Force again!
Also, circumstance shnufflestance! We save everyone! 'sides Niko won't do much without the others, right? Especially that Kazumi girl. Or Michiru dunno which
 
Always Happening said:
I'd prefer to have a strike team of Sabrina, Homura, and Kirika since they don't have other engagements and maximize our force multiplication.
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A few problems with that plan:
  1. If Mami's in school, then Homura's in school to stay close to Madoka.
  2. Homura can barely tolerate Kirika's presence, much less trust her enough to fight side-by-side.
  3. Kirika's probably a lot more reluctant to leave Oriko's side right now than she was a week ago.
It's a conundrum. We want to do this during school hours, but the more truant local meguca--like Kyouko, Masami and Hiroko--aren't in the know or as personally loyal.

Interestingly enough, if we bring Oriko and Kirika, then it's team that's already witchbombed and doesn't have school, but Homura would probably lose her shit at the idea.



Kaizuki said:
And this is why I didn't want to bother, @DB_Explorer. Because nobody pays attention anyway.
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I read your suggestion, and I don't think it'll work. If we tell her we're heading into something awful, that'll just make her want to come with us even more, because who would let someone they love go through that alone? And if she does agree to stay behind, she'll spend the whole time worrying and panicking and filling up her soul gem.

If we're early enough, then there won't be any awfulness in Asunaro yet. So we can honestly tell Mami that we're going to run a quick errand to check up on some MGs there while she's in school, shouldn't be too dangerous, hopefully be back by the time she gets out. Much simpler and easier for her to cope with emotionally.
 
The Narrator said:
A few problems with that plan:
  1. If Mami's in school, then Homura's in school to stay close to Madoka.
  2. Homura can barely tolerate Kirika's presence, much less trust her enough to fight side-by-side.
  3. Kirika's probably a lot more reluctant to leave Oriko's side right now than she was a week ago.
It's a conundrum. We want to do this during school hours, but the more truant local meguca--like Kyouko, Masami and Hiroko--aren't in the know or as personally loyal.

Interestingly enough, if we bring Oriko and Kirika, then it's team that's already witchbombed and doesn't have school, but Homura would probably lose her shit at the idea.
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Didn't they do just that during the whole Sendai v. Ishinomaki fandangle? Now that you mention it, though, bringing Oriko with us could be really good for both us and her (even if Oriko is practically a noncombatant at the moment- isn't she still missing half her arm?), and Homura should be more comfortable with the idea if those two are out of the region entirely and Oriko can't use her precog to scheme. She may not trust Oriko, but she knows that we trust Kirika implicitly.
 
Always Happening said:
Didn't they do just that during the whole Sendai v. Ishinomaki fandangle?
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Kirika and Homura didn't work together during Sendai. Kirika and Mami did. Homura and Oriko stayed in Mitakihara.

Kirika was willing to leave Oriko's side to go to Sendai with us a week ago, but that was before Oriko lost her precog and got all fatalistic about how Feathers was going to get her as soon as we weren't looking. I don't know if she'd be as willing to do so now.
 
The Narrator said:
I read your suggestion, and I don't think it'll work. If we tell her we're heading into something awful, that'll just make her want to come with us even more, because who would let someone they love go through that alone? And if she does agree to stay behind, she'll spend the whole time worrying and panicking and filling up her soul gem.
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You're not thinking this through, as expected, and I'm still not posting a full argument, because it's a five or six page essay that I'd like to post once. It can wait, and so can you.
 
So I finally got around to dredging up the conversation we had with Oriko about the Pleiades, and discovered that we actually have a calendar, so I'm trying to project just what the situation on the ground is likely to look like when we get there.
-Our last situation report was from April 4th
-Today is April 10th
-the Soujus were projected to arrive on or around the 18th
While the Pleiades are alive as of the 4th, Oriko was very noncommital about the status of Michiru and the Soujus. It is super likely at this point that Michiru has already died and the Pleiades are currently prototyping Kazumis.

Looking over it again, Kazumi Magica moves a lot faster than I thought it did-- there are 3 days between Kazumi #13 awakening (4 for her being created) and Niko's witchout.
If we ballpark a day for the Soujus to travel from Asunaro to Mitakihara (I seem to recall it being distant, but regional-- and Japan is a small country), and, assuming she wins her fight, 2 more days for her to wrap up her hunt there (assuming she didn't fight the Pleiades the moment she stepped into town, but sticks around for a bit to have a go at the rest of them), that means that the final Kazumi clone gets created approximately tomorrow.

If my calculations are correct, this means Michiru and Yuuri are already dead, the barrier is already up, and the Pleiades are running on ~20%, so the situation is about as dangerous as we expect it to be. That said, we're right around the start of the manga events: We have the opportunity to swoop in, fuck up defuse Airi, touch base with the Saints, and set up measures to deal with the Soujus when they turn up, but we have to go tomorrow or the day after to nip things in the bud, assuming chaos butterflies haven't accelerated events.
 
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Oriko said Michiru was still alive at the time, but I've wondered for a while if her visions might not be able to distinguish between the original Michiru and her clone Kazumi.
 
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