The problem is that flirting places most of the same pressure on Mami as outright telling her that Sabrina likes her. Remember we're less than 12 hours from Breakdown 2: Ribbon Bondage Edition; this is just not the time for even 'harmless' flirting. Let's not give Mami any hints that Sabrina might have some ulterior designs on her, not now anyway, probably not for the next week even.
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[x] Kaizuki
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- Illinois
How? What? I don't even...
Most? Certainly not most. Maybe "some," but even that is probably an overstatement...
I'm not even going to refute this directly until and unless you actually give me some exampes of how flirting as light as this pressures mami.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Nooooooooooo it was Hannz fault don't take me!!!
How about just "ZAP!"
Dragontrapper
Homeless Draconis
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- A Tower in the middle of nowhere
Nah - 'Welcome to the Jungle'
Sabrina: "know what the difference between you and me is?" *cue light show* "Presentation!"
THAT'S A GREAT IDEA! LET'S GO FOR IT! WHY AM I YELLING!? YAY!
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
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- Somewhere Offscreen
Gonna point out again my idea for a tandem attack with Mami where we create the gun and she creates the shot.(But Mami probably wants us to name it 'Finale' so we can do a combination attack. Or just match. We should make an attack worthy of 'Finale' so we can Tiro Duet with Mami.)
The concern is that if we act in a way that indicates an interest, Mami might notice and start thinking that we have romantic designs on her, and decide that she has to go forward with it to keep us from leaving. In which case, she might very well initiate.
I mean, at no point have we ever suggested that we don't like having her disagree with or question us, but she still acts like she's scared of how we'll respond every time she does. Including just now, so maybe the first line of our response should address that?
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We'd need to practically declare our love for her to come anywhere near getting her to do this over the concern that it might destroy what she has with us. She won't initiate even if she's almost certain we like her because we haven't initiated but are still with her, and therefore initiating risks changing the existing, working dynamic. Remember that, as per the Mami interlude, Loneliness governs everything she does.
She's too traumatized to take a risk like that.
No, this issue arises if we declare that we like her. Because then, yes, absolutely, she would reciprocate whether she really wanted to or not.
Same issue as we talked about last vote. Doing this is in Keikaku, but it's rather early for it.
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So, flirting with Mami, while having no intention of actually confessing. With the way their relationship is right now.
Seriously, what are you guys doing? The general consensus was that it would be best to wait and be patient. And now you guys are awkwardly hitting on her, and the majority seems totally okay with that. What exactly did I miss?
I don't know man, that's sounds kind of screwed up and makes this feels even worse.
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- He/Him
They're being idiots and everyone else needs to slap them.
There will be no serious romance between Brina and Mami any time soon, because it is
A) Not fair to Mami because she is a minor and we are (mostly) not minors.
B) Not fair to Mami because she is emotionally dependent on Sabrina's presence and likely to go along with any whim we have because it will keep Brina with her, not because she feels that way for her.
C) Bound to cause severe amounts of drama that neither Brina or Mami need right now.
There will be no serious romance between Brina and Mami any time soon, because it is
A) Not fair to Mami because she is a minor and we are (mostly) not minors.
B) Not fair to Mami because she is emotionally dependent on Sabrina's presence and likely to go along with any whim we have because it will keep Brina with her, not because she feels that way for her.
C) Bound to cause severe amounts of drama that neither Brina or Mami need right now.
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- Illinois
So, flirting with Mami, while having no intention of actually confessing. With the way their relationship is right now.
Seriously, what are you guys doing? The general consensus was that it would be best to wait and be patient. And now you guys are awkwardly hitting on her, and the majority seems totally okay with that. What exactly did I miss?
Because the purpose isn't hitting on her. We could pursue the same results with a different wording, and we still might. The purpose is to tell Mami, quite literally, that we like it when she behaves like she did. We could do it less-flirtingly, but Onmur's original jokevote was made a seriousvote, and I've had about an hour and a half to two hours of sleepykaitime to consider changing it. On top of that, doing it this way versus less flirty... It's not much of a difference. This is incredibly light flirting. Also, If it gets locked as-is it shouldn't particularly have horrible repercussions that will make us think "oh no, if only we hadn't said that line!"
You're overreacting to this, IMO.
*steam coming out of ears*
No, you don't say? I wondered why I was opposed to heavy flirting and/or telling Mami we like her.
Not relevant to the wording in question. This is too light to stack up in that comparison anyway, I was just refuting what he was saying.
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The thing you need to remember is that Mami is still desperately looking for things to do to please us, so that we won't leave her. She is still very much in the mindset of, to paraphrase the old song, changing her life to better suit our mood. Flirting with her, when she's in that mindset, is going to pressure her to reciprocate those feelings, even if she doesn't feel then herself, only now it's with the added stress on her that she can't be sure that we really feel that way about her at all.
It's just a bad idea all around, and I'm rather shocked so many people are going along with it.
Well, I think he also made a joke about sitting in her lap so...
And it's not the direct effects to this that I'm worried about, but the attitude you guys are displaying about it. I've repeatedly tried to explain what about it bothers me so much in this post but I can't seem to get it right, which just frustrates me even more.
Shadows
Sacred Priestess of the Benevolent Dice Gods
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- She/Her
Mmm, Santana and Rob Thomas, yeah? Loved that song.
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- Academy City
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If it's zap, it needs to be biribiri to go with the railgun we'll make.
Personally, I'm not shocked, just somewhat... dissapointed? There are probably occasions where this kind of approach is the best solution, but I'm reasonably certain this is not one of them.
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- Illinois
This is the only good argument against this action I've seen so far and I may well make changes based on it.
Well, I think he also made a joke about sitting in her lap so...
And it's not the direct effects to this that I'm worried about, but the attitude you guys are displaying about it. I've repeatedly tried to explain what about it bothers me so much in this post but I can't seem to get it right, which just frustrates me even more.
The "flirting is good, we're just restraining ourselves" attitude, maybe?
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It implies that we see her in a romantic sense and would be unhappy if she didn't agree to be our girlfriend.
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
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- Somewhere Offscreen
Well, then let's do that. Let's give her a confidence boost that doesn't sound like flirting and can't be misinterpreted to mean that we like "broken, obedient Mami" instead of "confident Mami" (because the last thing she said, the thing our first line is going to be responding to, was the former rather than the latter).
Like so:
[ ] *hugs*
[ ] Of course it's alright, Mami. I asked you because I value your opinion. What you think is really important to me.
[ ] And... it's really cool when you're all badass and confident like that.
We really need to tread carefully with Mami's feelings. We've wound up inadvertently hurting her before.
Shadows
Sacred Priestess of the Benevolent Dice Gods
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- USS Civilian, DDG-214
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- She/Her
Work it into a plan and I'm on board with that.
No. No, wait, maybe
Oh forget it, I can't do it. I think I've rewritten this several times already. This is part of the reason why I barely vote anymore or even regret posting at times. There are these times where it just feels incredibly difficult to exactly articulate something that's in my head. And when I bother to try, everything just feels off or wrong.
It's also just feels kind of weird that we're actually arguing/debating about something like this.
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- Illinois
"I like it when you talk like that."
... Seriously?
Fucking formatting uh
YeH, the misinterpretation possibility is critical, you're right.
Meh, just proceed with version 1.kirika: emphatic agreement.
-[x] She's right, of course! If your attacks don't have fantastic names, why even bother? You might as well be one of those poor, sad people that don't name their attacks at all!
-[x] That said, 'Finale' isn't... This doesn't really match up, so far. Not to Tiro. 'Finale' should be reserved for something that does. You're thinking... 'Lux Aeterna"! 'Eternal Light' is appropriate, since the whole point of this attack is that it keeps going outside of your range.
-[x] Um. That... You weren't expecting that to work, and the other stuff on your end was pretty much contingent on it failing. There was another thing... Maybe you should've asked back at the house. You'd been wondering about any old projects Mami might have had? With her ribbons? You had a couple ideas, but, well, she's had a lot of time and she's really smart, so she's probably tried them already, but maybe you could come up with something and you're really interested in how she's done what she has with her ribbons and what else she could do and maybe you could help you'd really like to do that and you don't mean to imply that she couldn't do it herself you just...
-[x] you're babbling again, aren't you.
Maybe grab her hands excitedly at the start of the vote? Too much? Just right?
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Balduran
Smuggest Plague-Bearer
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- a quiet, rainy place
I'll vote for this, but, as a nitpick, I don't know how I feel about blushing at the end there. It made sense when we were already in that mood from the nonvocalized part, but without that it just seems kind of...a disproportionate reaction to babbling. I might be out of touch with Sabrina's character though.
Edit: Forgot to actually vote.
[x] Kaizuki
Edit: Forgot to actually vote.
[x] Kaizuki
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