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Sereg said:
It doesn't have to take lots of time. I'm not asking to spend time in development. Just to find out what we can do practically effortlessly. Each attempt should take less than a second. We try to make something and if it fails, we immediately move on. I just want to know what we can do right now.
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I highly doubt that our complex grief constructs take that little time to build. Though... here.

@Firnagzen
About how much time did things like the sonic shower, phaser, soul-detector, grief-sense amplifier, and combat enhancement vest take to make?
 
landcollector said:
Madoka with exactly how many timelines of accrued potential again? I believe that we are nowhere near Madokami's level of sheer hax.
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Firn said that our potential was huge because f redacted, that he was stacking the deck in our favour, that he would not screw us over with our wish, that our abilities would be both powerful and useful, that the title of the quest is chosen deliberately (ie. we can break the system), has shown that if we wished for something else, we would have gotten other extremely powerful abilities and that "magic is bullshit" (in fact he repeats that one often and has sometimes had us do something more powerful than we actually voted for).

I've been getting the impression that our potential is closer to Madoka's than it is to that of the third most powerful meguca who ever lived.

Godwinson said:
I highly doubt that our complex grief constructs take that little time to build. Though... here.

@Firnagzen
About how much time did things like the sonic shower, phaser, soul-detector, grief-sense amplifier, and combat enhancement vest take to make?
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Good question. I may have been misinterpreting.
 
Sereg said:
I've been getting the impression that our potential is closer to Madoka's than it is to that of the third most powerful meguca who ever lived.
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Come to think of it, it's been heavily implied that Sabrina was created by the wish Madoka made in the previous timeline. If that's the case, wouldn't that mean that all of Madoka's potential up to that point went in to creating her?
 
Kyuubey wanted Madoka more than us, which implies that Madoka's potential is higher than ours. Plus, I don't think potential gets "used up".

EDIT: If we were created by Madoka's wish, it would make sense if we had one timeline less potential than her. And as last timeline was the timeline that canon showed, if this guess is correct, then we should have as much potential as canon!Madoka while PMAS!Madoka has even more.
 
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Sereg said:
Kyuubey wanted Madoka more than us, which implies that Madoka's potential is higher than ours. Plus, I don't think potential gets "used up".

EDIT: If we were created by Madoka's wish, it would make sense if we had one timeline less potential than her. And as last timeline was the timeline that canon showed, if this guess is correct, then we should have as much potential as canon!Madoka while PMAS!Madoka has even more.
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Oh god, this time Gretchen could end the world by itself!! Why is this escalating so quickly?!
 
Lordsservent said:
Oh god, this time Gretchen could end the world by itself!!
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Eh, the timeline before the canon one said that Gretchen would destroy the world (within ten days). Ultimate Gretchen had a mouth bigger than the whole planet, so she could destroy the world with one bite and Kyuubey said she was powerful enough to destroy the Universe, before Madoka corrected him and informed him that that was a vast underestimate of her power and she destroyed and recreated the entire omniverse. Destroying the world is too easy to be worth mentioning for Gretchen.

Why is this escalating so quickly?!
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Because each timeline more than doubles Madoka's power.
 
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Sereg said:
Eh, the timeline before the canon one said that Gretchen would destroy the world (within ten days). Ultimate Gretchen had a mouth bigger than the whole planet, so she could destroy the world with one bite and Kyuubey said she was powerful enough to destroy the Universe, before Madoka corrected him and informed him that that was a vast underestimate of her power. Destroying the world is too easy to be worth mentioning for Gretchen.



Because each timeline more than doubles Madoka's power.
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Yeah, plus let's just say with each update, things seem to get even crazier then before. I wonder how long it will take for a witch immune to our grief manipulation to pop up… I think I just gave th GM and idea didn't I.
 
Muramasa said:
Perhaps. I would ask if she's already attempted active precognition first to find out if that's been causing any additional pain. If it is causing more pain, I don't want to do it. I'm also not particularly sure what that tells us.

Wait, do you mean the soul gem turning in on itself thing is normal for all meguca or just Oriko?
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Just Oriko, due to the the 'need' for her ability to go look into the future, then take that information into the present. A movement in a 'fourth' dimension (don't lynch me).

So maybe Oriko's Soul always looks like that when she's using her precog. We could try asking her to use her magic, and see if her Soul starts turning 'faster' on itself while she does so.

Maybe we can ask Oriko to blast Anti-Magic while we look at her Gem. Maybe there'll be a tell.

Actually, we checked Sabrina's Soul while using magic, and it looked normal.

I guess this isn't about power usage at all... But it's an idea.
 
A random thought that I just had: Oriko's problem understanding her purpose reminds me of the essay Something to Protect, which basically states that you need something (usually someone) concrete to protect that can force you to abandon your ideals when they are wrong and give you the motivation to keep going.
 
This conversation about potentials had me go back to check what Kyuubey said about Sabrina's karma, but it's not much.

"You appear to have a level of karma disproportionate to your experiences,"
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While I was there, I thought of the best idea ever to solve everything forever:

"I wish to control grief! My own! That of others! The grief of the Witches! All of it!"
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[Q] "Oriko, would you say this situation is causing you Grief?"
-[Q] Yes? "Say no more!"
--[Q] "GRIEF GO AWAY!"

And then Oriko grieves no more, so there's no more problems. :V

It'll work. It's totally a loophole.
 
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Onmur said:
This conversation about potentials had me go back to check what Kyuubey said about Sabrina's karma, but it's not much.



While I was there, I thought of the best idea ever to solve everything forever:



[Q] "Oriko, would you say this situation is causing you Grief?"
-[Q] Yes? "Say no more!"
--[Q] "GRIEF GO AWAY!"

And then Oriko grieves no more, so there's no more problems. :V

It'll work. It's totally a loophole.
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Too ridiculous not to work. :V

Would whoever has the winning vote be willing to just stick this in as an aside? It's not really intended to work, but it might, and there's no reason not to: we've already lost our chance to not be seen as silly, and there's no other downside to failing.
 
chocolote12 said:
Too ridiculous not to work. :V

Would whoever has the winning vote be willing to just stick this in as an aside? It's not really intended to work, but it might, and there's no reason not to: we've already lost our chance to not be seen as silly, and there's no other downside to failing.
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Yeah, no, that's just plain bad as an actual vote component. As a joke, it isn't all that funny either.
 
Since this is Magic, it has a small chance of working, because at least sometimes Grief acts the way we think it is going to act and so could be changing to be limited to what we think it should do.

Things like that take next to no time to do anyway. (the summon magical girl diagnostics manual was one that might work better)
 
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That being said though, we've still never verified if we can control grief, the actual emotion.
 
techsy730 said:
Two issues with this line of potential power application:
Who would be our test subject (this is not the kind of thing you do without consent)? And is it really ethical to "play" with people's emotions directly?
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Random Yakuza number five and yes, respectively. Now, if it were anybody but us, I'd say no, but if we can't trust ourselves we might as well go give Wally a hug. I'm sure that she'd enjoy it, at least.
 
What is Grief, anyway? A magical manifestation of grief, in a harvestable form, I think.

If we go by 'meaning, not wording', what we really wished for was to control magical Grief so we could cleanse Soul Gems, so no reason we should get to control non-magical Grief.
 
Gadjo said:
None of this, Chocolote. It's pointless salt that's looking to start a fight.
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There's a line between salt and silliness, and I thought that I had passed it (in the right direction, that is). Sorry.
Onmur said:
What is Grief, anyway? A magical manifestation of grief, in a harvestable form, I think.

If we go by 'meaning, not wording', what we really wished for was to control magical Grief so we could cleanse Soul Gems, so no reason we should get to control non-magical Grief.
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Except we can feel normal people's grief, so what we think of as grief is probably related to the actual emotion in some way?
 
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chocolote12 said:
Except we can feel normal people's grief, so what we think of as grief is probably related to the actual emotion in some way?
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It is related.

It's the emotion that's magically powerful. The Grief we use is the grief, processed into harvestable energy.

Or... I think so?

Human Grief seemingly always creates monsters, if we take Wraiths into account... Unless the Incubators are the ones creating the Wraiths...

I don't know this stuff.

EDIT: Something for Yakuza Thug #5 to learn firsthand, whether we can control grief or not.
 
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Um... so ... can we from this conclude that magic and exercise of magical-girl powers is inherently sad? Since Grief builds up as magical girls exercise their powers?

What does the universe know that we don't there?

Is this what is meant by the ancient words that "Being Meguca is suffering"?
 
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