Y'know, part of me hopes it's Sayaka? Most anyone else will either be a "threat" we need to deal with, or much, much worse social.
 
Really, really, really hope it isn't the blueberry.


Pretty much this. Like...if we actively see combat, sure, no reason not to do it, but it just seems a bit pointless right now.
The laser pointer being a success would be good to know about regardless of combat utility. It would mean that with a little ingenuity we can do things beyond our range. I'm sure you can come up with a few ways that could be useful with a little thought.
 
It's still a failure on our part if it happens. Sure, it's not a disaster in and of itself depending on the wish and reason for it...but the blueberry's at risk because of it and Madoka's much more likely to contract as a direct result.
Please, don't contract Madoka, even with our help, your life is still liable to suck horribly.
 
The laser pointer being a success would be good to know about regardless of combat utility. It would mean that with a little ingenuity we can do things beyond our range. I'm sure you can come up with a few ways that could be useful with a little thought.
Yes, we can go full Ramiel if it works. The thing is though...other than, say, perhaps sniping Walpurgisnacht, I'm not sold on it being generally useful and definitely not for the only thing I want us to SCIENCE for the near future- grief seeds and soul gems.

100m is a fairly large distance. By meguca standards, we're already fairly broken on power range.

If it makes it into a vote at some point, Firn spends three lines describing what happens. I don't see any downside to that in and of itself, but I don't really see it as helping much either...and honestly, I'd rather we stuck to "only grief seed related SCIENCE" until we actually make some progress rather than getting sidetracked again.
 
Yes, we can go full Ramiel if it works. The thing is though...other than, say, perhaps sniping Walpurgisnacht, I'm not sold on it being generally useful and definitely not for the only thing I want us to SCIENCE for the near future- grief seeds and soul gems.

100m is a fairly large distance. By meguca standards, we're already fairly broken on power range.

If it makes it into a vote at some point, Firn spends three lines describing what happens. I don't see any downside to that in and of itself, but I don't really see it as helping much either...and honestly, I'd rather we stuck to "only grief seed related SCIENCE" until we actually make some progress rather than getting sidetracked again.
Agreed, we were getting close to a break through, and I am eager to see if it is possible to turn a witch's grief seed back into a soul gem.
 
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If it is Sayaka, make it clear that we do not blame her. If anything, we blame ourselves. We can handle grief better than she can, because we can always degrief, while Sayaka can only degrief if we're nearby.
 
If it is Sayaka, make it clear that we do not blame her. If anything, we blame ourselves. We can handle grief better than she can, because we can always degrief, while Sayaka can only degrief if we're nearby.
There's going to be some "goddamnit, Sayaka" in there too...but we need to find out what she wished for and why if it's not immediately obvious.

If it is Sayaka though...I'm still wondering how we screwed things up that badly. Put off the conversation about her issues for too long? Took too long to heal violinboy? Just didn't emphasize how much of a bad idea it is enough?
 
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If it is Sayaka, make it clear that we do not blame her. If anything, we blame ourselves. We can handle grief better than she can, because we can always degrief, while Sayaka can only degrief if we're nearby.
While this sounds true and comforting and good, my completely uneducated grasp of fictional character psychology tells me that'd make her feel worse. Somehow.
 
She was snatched out of her home, her parents put to sleep, by a witch. She was probably feeling hideously vulnerable and contracted to be able to protect herself and the people she cares about.
...Goddamnit.

Okay. So...we could have stopped it by talking to her more afterwards? We did...kind of just drop her off and leave things be.

Uh. If she didn't contract, we probably need to move up those talks with Madoka and Sayaka a bit on our schedule. Just a bit.
 
She was snatched out of her home, her parents put to sleep, by a witch. She was probably feeling hideously vulnerable and contracted to be able to protect herself and the people she cares about.

This. If Sayaka contracted, she probably did it last night, before we contacted her. Notice in the update before her voice catched? That may have been it.

Our attempt to console Sayaka may have come, too little, too late.
 
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...Goddamnit.

Okay. So...we could have stopped it by talking to her more afterwards? We did...kind of just drop her off and leave things be.

Uh. If she didn't contract, we probably need to move up those talks with Madoka and Sayaka a bit on our schedule. Just a bit.

The time frame between leaving Sayaka and us contacting her again couldn't have been more then a few hours. (Left Sayaka, Had dinner, timestop yakusa run, partial ride to Megane's, timestop meeting, study session, contacted Sayaka).

Most of what we did afterwards was conducted in timestop. It really hasn't been that long.

Still goddamnit.
 
... How many more to go?
Will you take on the world's problems?
We should avoid setting up ourselves for failure. We already know we can't do everything, but still.

Should we share our concern with Mami that it might be Sayaka?

[] I hope it's not Sayaka.

Just so it won't catch her by surprise if it is her.

Agh... hopefully, Sayaka was being evasive last night simply due to being angry at us ditching her again, and feeling guilty for that since we were worrying about her.
 
Please let this be an elaborate red herring. Please let this not be Sayaka.

Maybe it's Kyoko! I'd love it if it was Kyoko, we can work on helping Mami.

Or maybe it's Feathers...
 
... How many more to go?

We should avoid setting up ourselves for failure. We already know we can't do everything, but still.

Should we share our concern with Mami that it might be Sayaka?

[] I hope it's not Sayaka.

Just so it won't catch her by surprise if it is her.

Agh... hopefully, Sayaka was being evasive last night simply due to being angry at us ditching her again, and feeling guilty for that since we were worrying about her.
We should do everything we can for everyone we can- ie: aim for the best case scenario even if we're not going to succeed at it. If we start giving up and writing people off, we'll never get anything done. We may not be able to do everything but we can try and do the next best thing.

So the answer to that question in PMAS should be yes because the alternative is things getting increasingly worse when we might have been able to do something. Yes, we're going to have set-backs but that isn't a reason not to try in the first place.

No need, we're about to find out anyway and I don't see the statement helping one way or the other.

Hopefully.
 
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Or maybe it's Feathers...
Sabrina and Mami meet a weird girl that, when looked at the right angle, seems to have feathers instead of hair. Sabrina and Mami freeze.

'Feathers' smirks at the approaching girls. Deliberately, she pulls a long pinioned feather out of thin air, and uses it to wave at them. "Hello, dears. The streets are dangerous in this day and age, should you be walking alone like t-"

"Oh thank god!" Sabrina exclaims. As 'Feathers' and Mami blink in confusion, Sabrina just sighs, "I was worried it might've been Sayaka."

Mami doesn't quite palm her face. "Oh, Sabrina..."

Sabrina shrugs. "Sayaka's got all the incentive to contract, but she doesn't deserve that kind of life."

Mami shakes her head and smiles.

The girls reach the school without problems.

After seeing Mami off, Sabrina turns around and comes face to face with 'Feathers'.

"Stop ignoring me." She grumbles.
 
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Random unrelated question/complaint

Why is the phrase 'too little, too late' when 'a little too late' makes so much more sense grammaticaly and contextually? Like it's not you, it's the phrase. It's even the title of JoJo's hit single.

But whyyyy
What's wrong with the phrase grammatically or contextually? If this is indeed Sayaka, evidently we didn't console her enough or we didn't console her soon enough. We consoled her too little or we consoled her too late. Makes perfect sense.
 
We should do everything we can for everyone we can- ie: aim for the best case scenario even if we're not going to succeed at it. If we start giving up and writing people off, we'll never get anything done. We may not be able to do everything but we can try and do the next best thing.

So the answer to that question in PMAS should be yes because the alternative is things getting increasingly worse when we might have been able to do something. Yes, we're going to have set-backs but that isn't a reason not to try in the first place.
Fair enough. Shoot for the moon... Just don't count on reaching the moon in order for something good to persist after the dust settles.
No need, we're about to find out anyway and I don't see the statement helping one way or the other.
It it's Sayaka, we'll stay composed, at least. Mami might react less well.

If it is Sayaka, make it clear that we do not blame her. If anything, we blame ourselves. We can handle grief better than she can, because we can always degrief, while Sayaka can only degrief if we're nearby.
There's going to be some "goddamnit, Sayaka" in there too...but we need to find out what she wished for and why if it's not immediately obvious.

If it is Sayaka though...I'm still wondering how we screwed things up that badly. Put off the conversation about her issues for too long? Took too long to heal violinboy? Just didn't emphasize how much of a bad idea it is enough?
If it is her, let's not throw any blame around? Not her way, not our way, no 'goddamnit Sayaka'.

Respect her desicion. She might not know everything, but she still decided her Soul was worth this. Being able to protect herself and her family, which really, is justified enough as it is.

Don't demean that.
 
Sayaka decided her soul was worth it in canon too. By and large? Anyone contracting is a mistake. One we're trying to prevent by making unnecessary. If Sayaka's contracted, then we've failed in one of our goals right off the bat and it might be the first domino that leads to failure states like a Madoka contract that isn't for something like, say, Godoka or griefcleansing.

If she feels unsafe to the point where contracting seemed like the thing to do, what was the point of Sabrina being around in the first place? That'd be a mutual screw-up: Sayaka for deciding to essentially throw her life away on incomplete information when she knows aspects of it are horrible (though less incomplete than in canon, thankfully) and us for not making contracting seem unnecessary by actually improving things enough in the first place.
 
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