Darn.
Well, the terseness and the sentence fragments should hopefully make it clear that these are points, not phrases.
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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Darn.
Well, the terseness and the sentence fragments should hopefully make it clear that these are points, not phrases.
Imrix
Periodically Malevolent QM
Edited mine to the briefer version.
Jackercracks
In a British accent
- Location
- England
Our options among the votes given so far are
Direct (generally insulting to her skill level, sounds arrogant)
Explain in full (would take too long and possibly lichbomb)
Analogy (doesn't give full total information)
Out of those three, I prefer analogy. I think they give a decent idea of why we're not using everything without spending forever explaining. She asked for information, we are giving her that information, I don't really see how that's a bad thing.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Why insulting? She asked a simple question, "how much?", we don't need to explain anything.
- Location
- South Africa
The simple answer is "nearly everything". Leaving it at that implies, "I am so much better than you, I'm not bothering to exert effort, puny weakling". That is why we need to elaborate. Because the implication of the simple answer is wrong and likely to land us in trouble.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
No, "nearly everything" is explaining more than we need to. The simple answer is to show what else we can bring to this spar, no need to go on about how we can kill everything if we want.
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
- Location
- The Silver City
[x] Imrix.
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Showing what else we can bring to the spar is still holding back. A vocal answer is required to convey that we have a reason for not bringing everything to the spar.
Jackercracks
In a British accent
- Location
- England
And lie by omission. Because we'd still be holding back. I would rather avoid that, it's Kyubey's job not ours.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Of course we're holding back on the lethal stuff, we've already specified that. All we got for it was "No fucking duh,". Why are we stopping the fight longer to go on about that instead of leaving it for after we're done is beyond me.
- Location
- South Africa
That isn't an answer and as has been stated, it's also a lie. We could do far worse than we're going to.
EDIT:^ Grabbing her Soul Gem and rolling it away is also non-lethal. We're not doing that either.
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Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
- Pronouns
- She/Her
So you're in favor of hiding in the Mobile Fortress of Doom and grabbing her soul gem? No? Then there's non-lethal stuff we aren't using either.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Using grief to puree her meat puppet is also, technically, non-lethal. But no one sane would count it as such.
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Which is why I didn't say that?
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
We're in the middle of a fight. We can tell our life story later.
- Location
- South Africa
You're exaggerating our position solely to make it look more ridiculous. Don't do that. It's dishonest and not arguing properly. The fact that we are in a fight and don't have time for a long explanation is taken into account in our vote. This explanation will take less than half a minute. If Kyouko had asked for details about our powers outside of a fight, the explanation I'd give her would be at least six times longer.
EDIT:^ This is acceptable, but I like the example given as it illustrates the point well. And I don't think the other votes really say that except for the ones I have other problems with.
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Half a minute is a long time for me if I'm playing sports.
I like this.
"How much are you holding back?"
"A lot."
Simple.
Mura's first vote would work, too. Kyouko's not made out of glass.
Muramasa said:
Muramasa
Best Girl
Once again the vote doesn't specify Aurora or even the remaining marbles in our bag. I'm not even sure we have enough grief out right now to form wings.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I guess I'm being abrupt. Later.
Just. Kyouko's not asking us to explain how are we holding back, just 'how much'. That's all, a vague question, we don't have any obligation to explain ourselves; a vague answer (a lot, a little, quite a bit) is completely fine.
Also, votes are all over the place:
Vote tally:
##### 3.19
[X] Ehh-heh-heh... I'm only really using close-range abilities?
--[X] I mean, we could do a thing where I try to snipe you from a distance and you get close enough to me to hit me? But I'm certainly having more fun this way.
No. of votes: 1
linkhyrule5
[X]Eheheh...maybe a bit? I don't want to rely on all the crazy things my magic can do.
No. of votes: 1
universalperson
[X] We did agree to non-lethal. My most powerful stuff either knocks you out or kills you without having to fight at all. Everything else I can do feels like a witch barrier, and I try not to use that since it freaks everyone out.
[X] Stop the music. Convert to grief marbles. Pull out the rest of your marbles.
-[X] That said. Yeah, I can take things up a notch or two.
[X] Obviously Kyouko doesn't feel challenged enough. Press. Her. Hard.
No. of votes: 4
landcollector, Ethereal Vitali, rikalous, UberJJK
[X] Muramasa
No. of votes: 3
noahgab1133, theauthor, Omegastar
[X] We did agree to non-lethal. My most powerful stuff either knocks you out or kills you without having to fight at all. Everything else I can do feels like a witch barrier, and I try not to use that since it freaks everyone out.
[X] Stop the music. Convert to grief marbles. Pull out the rest of your marbles and enough Grief from Aurora to form your wings and armor up.
-[X] That said. Yeah, I can take things up a notch or two.
[X] Obviously Kyouko doesn't feel challenged enough. Press. Her. Hard.
No. of votes: 1
moonstne
[x] Cannongerbil
No. of votes: 1
Guilop
[x] With allowances for non-lethal, a fair bit on the magic side, not at all on the physical side. It defeats the point of a fight if we don't actually fight. - don't specify whether we're talking about grief bindings or the Mobile Oppression Fortress.
[x] And some of the fancier stuff I can do feels like a witch barrier and tends to freak people out.
[x] Stop the music. Convert to grief marbles and grief plates orbiting us. Pull out the rest of your marbles.
-[X] That said. Yeah, I can take things up a notch or two.
[x] So... more of a challenge, or all-out?[no maniacal grin]
[x] Be ready to press Kyouko hard.
No. of votes: 1
Corundum
[x] Skill wise, hammer to spear, not at all. When it comes to my power, a lot. This is suppose to be a non-lethal spar, and we've only just started fighting. Going all out with my power is practically cheating, and it would defeat the purpose of actually fighting.
[x] Stop the music. Convert to grief marbles. Pull out the rest of your marbles.
-[X] That said. Yeah, I can take things up a notch or two.
[X] Go on the offensive. Begin using grief manipulation more offensively and aggressively. Form grief bindings, blunt instruments, shields and other constructs. Put the pressure on her. Scatter the marbles across the battle field to trap and trip her up.
No. of votes: 4
Agent Whiskers, AnonymousRabbit, EtchedSteel, Unclouded
[x] A fair lot. The fastest way to subdue someone with my powers is to use the grief in their own soul gem and any grief seeds to bind them, remove their limbs, or capture their soul gem. But tactics like that defeat the point of a spar.
[x] Most everything else I can do feels like a witch barrier, and I try not to use that since it freaks everyone out.
-[x] That said. Yeah, I can take things up a notch or two.
[x] Obviously Kyouko doesn't feel challenged enough. Press. Her. Hard. Armor, small wings for aerial mobility, orbiting grief shields, grief bullets, smaller needles in addition to the rods, have grief flow around blocks, bind her, don't leave her safe ground...
No. of votes: 3
SynchronizedWritersBlock, TheSlayers, Krecart
[X] swb
No. of votes: 2
Drox, cmwatford
[x] We did agree to non-lethal. My most powerful stuff either knocks people out or kills them without having to fight at all. Everything else I've learned to do so far feels like a witch barrier, and I try not to use that since it freaks everyone out.
[x] Stop the music. Convert to grief marbles. Pull out the rest of your marbles.
-[x] That said. Yeah, I can take things up a notch or two.
[x] Obviously Kyouko doesn't feel challenged enough. Press. Her. Hard.
No. of votes: 1
Loops
[x] Considering I didn't just bind you in Grief and stop you from moving, a tiny bit. But hammer to spear, not at all. You're good; it just defeats the point of a fight if we don't actually fight.
[x] Stop the music. Convert to grief marbles. Pull out the rest of your marbles.
-[X] That said. Yeah, I can take things up a notch or two.
[X] Go on the offensive. Begin using grief manipulation more offensively and aggressively. Form grief bindings, blunt instruments, shields and other constructs. Put the pressure on her. Scatter the marbles across the battle field to trap and trip her up.
No. of votes: 1
Cannongerbil
[X] I'm not gonna lie and say I'm not, but a lot of what I am holding back is stuff that doesn't belong in a sparring session -- my wish gave me access to some really cheap bullshit, like grabbing someone's soul gem clean off them. And some stuff that just screams 'WITCH,' that I was worried wouldn't go over well if I used it. That said, I apologize if I insulted you, but your question reminded me I have some other tricks that aren't complete bullshit.
-[X] Proceed to cut the BGM, turn the instruments back into marbles, and get them swirling around us proper-intimidating-like.
-[X] Shall we continue?
-[X] If she's cool with it, resume and shift focus to our griefbending shenanigans -- fight like we should fight with grief, barring the really hax stuff like using stuff in things on her own person. Give her the kind of fight she seems to want.
No. of votes: 1
Baroque
[x] We did agree to non-lethal. My most powerful stuff really doesn't belong in a sparring session.
[x] Stop the music. Convert to grief marbles. Pull out the rest of your marbles.
-[x] That said. Yeah, I can take things up a notch or two.
[x] Obviously Kyouko doesn't feel challenged enough. Press. Her. Hard.
No. of votes: 6
Muramasa, Gadjo, Dirtnap, MrLZRS, Ugolino, Skelm
[x] techsy730
No. of votes: 2
Torgamous, PhantomFractions
[X] Say you are, roughly summarize why
-[X] Most powerful magic tends to be lethal
-[X] Second most powerful magic tends to be unsuited for sparring or feels just like Witch stuff (as opposed to only somewhat like it)
-[X] In melee skill, not holding back at all, though
[X] Stop music
[X] Mention that you can hold back less but still be non-lethal
[X] Hold back less but still be non-lethal
No. of votes: 5
Alfa290, techsy730, defenestrator, CornyBones, aeqnai
[X] This much.
-[X] Stop holding back on the non-lethal side of things. Wings, heavy defense shields, grief mist/bindings/all sorts of shapes aside from rods, etc.
No. of votes: 1
Onmur
[X] 'Magic-wise, a fair bit. I haven't sparred much, so most of my stuff either feels like witch, is crazy lethal, only works on witches or all three. Figured I'd better start on easy mode. Sorry?'
[X] 'Using some of my best stuff here would be like, um, challenging someone to a swordfight then sticking a landmine under their bed. Even if it works, it's missing the point.'
[X] We can kick it up a notch, but warn her things may get weird.
[X] Pull in all currently used grief, including instruments. Form wings.
[X] Be ready to ramp up power to any arbitrary level, including bindings and witch-grief.
No. of votes: 7
Imrix, boonerunner, Sereg, Aranfan, Jackercracks, Nolrai, AuraTwilight
[x] Magic-wise, a fair bit. I don't have much experience in non-lethal combat that's appropriate for a spar. And some of the tricks I do have feel like a witch barrier, which tends to freak people out, so I didn't want to use that in front of you and Yuma.
[x] I can try pushing harder, but things will start to get weird.
[x] Pull in all currently used grief, including from instruments. Form wings.
[x] Be ready to ramp up power to any arbitrary level, including bindings and witch-grief.
No. of votes: 1
Kinematics
##### 3.19
[X] Ehh-heh-heh... I'm only really using close-range abilities?
--[X] I mean, we could do a thing where I try to snipe you from a distance and you get close enough to me to hit me? But I'm certainly having more fun this way.
No. of votes: 1
linkhyrule5
[X]Eheheh...maybe a bit? I don't want to rely on all the crazy things my magic can do.
No. of votes: 1
universalperson
[X] We did agree to non-lethal. My most powerful stuff either knocks you out or kills you without having to fight at all. Everything else I can do feels like a witch barrier, and I try not to use that since it freaks everyone out.
[X] Stop the music. Convert to grief marbles. Pull out the rest of your marbles.
-[X] That said. Yeah, I can take things up a notch or two.
[X] Obviously Kyouko doesn't feel challenged enough. Press. Her. Hard.
No. of votes: 4
landcollector, Ethereal Vitali, rikalous, UberJJK
[X] Muramasa
No. of votes: 3
noahgab1133, theauthor, Omegastar
[X] We did agree to non-lethal. My most powerful stuff either knocks you out or kills you without having to fight at all. Everything else I can do feels like a witch barrier, and I try not to use that since it freaks everyone out.
[X] Stop the music. Convert to grief marbles. Pull out the rest of your marbles and enough Grief from Aurora to form your wings and armor up.
-[X] That said. Yeah, I can take things up a notch or two.
[X] Obviously Kyouko doesn't feel challenged enough. Press. Her. Hard.
No. of votes: 1
moonstne
[x] Cannongerbil
No. of votes: 1
Guilop
[x] With allowances for non-lethal, a fair bit on the magic side, not at all on the physical side. It defeats the point of a fight if we don't actually fight. - don't specify whether we're talking about grief bindings or the Mobile Oppression Fortress.
[x] And some of the fancier stuff I can do feels like a witch barrier and tends to freak people out.
[x] Stop the music. Convert to grief marbles and grief plates orbiting us. Pull out the rest of your marbles.
-[X] That said. Yeah, I can take things up a notch or two.
[x] So... more of a challenge, or all-out?[no maniacal grin]
[x] Be ready to press Kyouko hard.
No. of votes: 1
Corundum
[x] Skill wise, hammer to spear, not at all. When it comes to my power, a lot. This is suppose to be a non-lethal spar, and we've only just started fighting. Going all out with my power is practically cheating, and it would defeat the purpose of actually fighting.
[x] Stop the music. Convert to grief marbles. Pull out the rest of your marbles.
-[X] That said. Yeah, I can take things up a notch or two.
[X] Go on the offensive. Begin using grief manipulation more offensively and aggressively. Form grief bindings, blunt instruments, shields and other constructs. Put the pressure on her. Scatter the marbles across the battle field to trap and trip her up.
No. of votes: 4
Agent Whiskers, AnonymousRabbit, EtchedSteel, Unclouded
[x] A fair lot. The fastest way to subdue someone with my powers is to use the grief in their own soul gem and any grief seeds to bind them, remove their limbs, or capture their soul gem. But tactics like that defeat the point of a spar.
[x] Most everything else I can do feels like a witch barrier, and I try not to use that since it freaks everyone out.
-[x] That said. Yeah, I can take things up a notch or two.
[x] Obviously Kyouko doesn't feel challenged enough. Press. Her. Hard. Armor, small wings for aerial mobility, orbiting grief shields, grief bullets, smaller needles in addition to the rods, have grief flow around blocks, bind her, don't leave her safe ground...
No. of votes: 3
SynchronizedWritersBlock, TheSlayers, Krecart
[X] swb
No. of votes: 2
Drox, cmwatford
[x] We did agree to non-lethal. My most powerful stuff either knocks people out or kills them without having to fight at all. Everything else I've learned to do so far feels like a witch barrier, and I try not to use that since it freaks everyone out.
[x] Stop the music. Convert to grief marbles. Pull out the rest of your marbles.
-[x] That said. Yeah, I can take things up a notch or two.
[x] Obviously Kyouko doesn't feel challenged enough. Press. Her. Hard.
No. of votes: 1
Loops
[x] Considering I didn't just bind you in Grief and stop you from moving, a tiny bit. But hammer to spear, not at all. You're good; it just defeats the point of a fight if we don't actually fight.
[x] Stop the music. Convert to grief marbles. Pull out the rest of your marbles.
-[X] That said. Yeah, I can take things up a notch or two.
[X] Go on the offensive. Begin using grief manipulation more offensively and aggressively. Form grief bindings, blunt instruments, shields and other constructs. Put the pressure on her. Scatter the marbles across the battle field to trap and trip her up.
No. of votes: 1
Cannongerbil
[X] I'm not gonna lie and say I'm not, but a lot of what I am holding back is stuff that doesn't belong in a sparring session -- my wish gave me access to some really cheap bullshit, like grabbing someone's soul gem clean off them. And some stuff that just screams 'WITCH,' that I was worried wouldn't go over well if I used it. That said, I apologize if I insulted you, but your question reminded me I have some other tricks that aren't complete bullshit.
-[X] Proceed to cut the BGM, turn the instruments back into marbles, and get them swirling around us proper-intimidating-like.
-[X] Shall we continue?
-[X] If she's cool with it, resume and shift focus to our griefbending shenanigans -- fight like we should fight with grief, barring the really hax stuff like using stuff in things on her own person. Give her the kind of fight she seems to want.
No. of votes: 1
Baroque
[x] We did agree to non-lethal. My most powerful stuff really doesn't belong in a sparring session.
[x] Stop the music. Convert to grief marbles. Pull out the rest of your marbles.
-[x] That said. Yeah, I can take things up a notch or two.
[x] Obviously Kyouko doesn't feel challenged enough. Press. Her. Hard.
No. of votes: 6
Muramasa, Gadjo, Dirtnap, MrLZRS, Ugolino, Skelm
[x] techsy730
No. of votes: 2
Torgamous, PhantomFractions
[X] Say you are, roughly summarize why
-[X] Most powerful magic tends to be lethal
-[X] Second most powerful magic tends to be unsuited for sparring or feels just like Witch stuff (as opposed to only somewhat like it)
-[X] In melee skill, not holding back at all, though
[X] Stop music
[X] Mention that you can hold back less but still be non-lethal
[X] Hold back less but still be non-lethal
No. of votes: 5
Alfa290, techsy730, defenestrator, CornyBones, aeqnai
[X] This much.
-[X] Stop holding back on the non-lethal side of things. Wings, heavy defense shields, grief mist/bindings/all sorts of shapes aside from rods, etc.
No. of votes: 1
Onmur
[X] 'Magic-wise, a fair bit. I haven't sparred much, so most of my stuff either feels like witch, is crazy lethal, only works on witches or all three. Figured I'd better start on easy mode. Sorry?'
[X] 'Using some of my best stuff here would be like, um, challenging someone to a swordfight then sticking a landmine under their bed. Even if it works, it's missing the point.'
[X] We can kick it up a notch, but warn her things may get weird.
[X] Pull in all currently used grief, including instruments. Form wings.
[X] Be ready to ramp up power to any arbitrary level, including bindings and witch-grief.
No. of votes: 7
Imrix, boonerunner, Sereg, Aranfan, Jackercracks, Nolrai, AuraTwilight
[x] Magic-wise, a fair bit. I don't have much experience in non-lethal combat that's appropriate for a spar. And some of the tricks I do have feel like a witch barrier, which tends to freak people out, so I didn't want to use that in front of you and Yuma.
[x] I can try pushing harder, but things will start to get weird.
[x] Pull in all currently used grief, including from instruments. Form wings.
[x] Be ready to ramp up power to any arbitrary level, including bindings and witch-grief.
No. of votes: 1
Kinematics
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It was Candeloro who had a Kyoko-familiar, not WN.
Heh, I'm guessing if Mami witched out today, it'd be Sabrina and Kyoko rather than Madoka and Kyoko.
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Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Walpurgisnacht has magical girl familiars.
Let's find out.