What is more interesting about this than the exact geometry is the complexity. We established 7 clusters with 14 in a ring orbiting a central one. Try to imagine that in your head, now try holding a conversation with them in the background. The complexity of such arrangements indicates that we're essentially not required to maintain any focus to keep up a movement pattern of them. It seems like we can set a movement pattern and they'll keep to it without any further attention.

That would indicate a very high number of grief marbles being possible to control. I don't think we have to worry about overwhelming our capacity.

This would fit with our original wish being to control "all grief".
firn did the math in the rolz room...it was a very large number.
 
firn did the math in the rolz room...it was a very large number.
See that's information I'd like to see in the thread rather than the rolz room that I have no clue how to get to.
Nah, I was just trying to calculate the radius for a ring if they were all spaced half a meter apart, which was the initial configuration. Turns out you'd get an eight-plus meter ring, which, well, is what you had before you reshaped the ring into the current half-icosahedron.
 
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IIRC Oriko doesn't know the exact future though, even in canon. Might be that she gets the "spread of probable futures" thing instead.
 
[X]Agree

If Oriko trapped the place, she'd also uproot Kirika to a safehouse. Given what Homura can do with her apartment, I wouldn't be surprised if she did some funky stuff. Being able to predict where witches will arrive, and then shut them down, they can afford some fairly judicious Grief.

Goddamnit, we should have at least visited Homura's place. It's going to be kind of difficult to bring up the sort of magic Homura used on her place, having never seen it. Ideas on how to breach the topic?
 
...uh fang, I don't really get where you're coming from here. Also, while Homura's apartment looks rather surreal, there's no real proof magic was involved in it's creation.
 
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Erm, holograms? There's so many issues with that idea, it boggles the mind. Illusions, maybe. Or maybe they're legit magical constructs.

If Oriko trapped her own home, it's a good bet she did the same to Kirika's place.

Illusions would, by my figuring, require constant focus. That really doesn't seem like the sort of thing Homura would do, too flashy and wasteful. Now, a solid effect, one expenditure of magic each loop to bring it into existence, doable. Considering how much that setup would help her visually plan things out, I can see her blowing a full Grief Seed on the setup.

That's an expense that Oriko can afford. We need to know what the hell she can do to her home.

Am I still making no sense? To be fair, I just woke up.
 
Erm, holograms? There's so many issues with that idea, it boggles the mind. Illusions, maybe. Or maybe they're legit magical constructs.

If Oriko trapped her own home, it's a good bet she did the same to Kirika's place.

Illusions would, by my figuring, require constant focus. That really doesn't seem like the sort of thing Homura would do, too flashy and wasteful. Now, a solid effect, one expenditure of magic each loop to bring it into existence, doable. Considering how much that setup would help her visually plan things out, I can see her blowing a full Grief Seed on the setup.

That's an expense that Oriko can afford. We need to know what the hell she can do to her home.

Am I still making no sense? To be fair, I just woke up.

...fang at most they've been magical girls for two days. Unless Kirika spent the whole day fighting witches (possible but unlikely) then their stockpile of grief seeds isn't going to look that big. And given their opposition, they're going to need a good stockpile if they're going to directly oppose Sabrina and co.

With magic being a limited resource, maintaining such a setup doesn't sound very realistic. There's no precedent for any magical girl creating permanent solids or that doing so is a one time cost. Therefor mundane sources of power makes more sense.
 
Erm, holograms? There's so many issues with that idea, it boggles the mind. Illusions, maybe. Or maybe they're legit magical constructs.
I always interpreted her holograms and stuff as metaphorical or "not really there". As though her apartment were drawn to resemble a Barrier.

Am I still making no sense? To be fair, I just woke up.
I just woke up too! We can be half-asleep!buddies. *brofist* :p
 
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What we need most of all is a way to exploit the fact that we have a bottomless supply of power. Grief blasts, a giant mecha, converting it into matter...anything, really. Her advantage is she knows exactly how to prepare, but our advantage is that we have infinite magic to work with. Obviously, feeding it into ZA WARUDO Homura's time-stop is one way to utilize it, but I think what we need most is a practical way to use it for ourselves. We have....what, 100 balls of grief just chilling out? There must be some way we can use that to get ahead...

What's our range on the grief control again?
If we throw a ball upwards and let it dissipate into a mist, perhaps we can locate Kirika's radius of anti-magic?
 
Direct Intervention pt. 12
"Sounds good to me," you affirm. "Which way, then, Homura?"

"There," the timetraveller replies, pointing off into the distance. You nod, and let her take point, hopping off in that direction. You and Mami follow at a distance, spreading out to form the points of a large V connected by golden ribbons.

Pushing your senses out as far as they can go, you scan thoroughly for magic as the three of you proceed slowly. You even descend to the streets a few times to ensure that Oriko isn't travelling along at ground level to hide from you, weaving in between the few frozen cars and eerily still pedestrians on the street.

Even with the three of you searching at a hundred meter spread, there's a considerable amount of area to cover, and it's a quiet two hour trip, with only the occasional murmur to break the monotony before you approach Oriko's house. It's located in one of the more well-off parts of the town, as you'd expect, and much like the Kaname residence, this area is surrounded, perplexingly, by swathes of open land and greenery. Oriko's house is an enormous two story building, virtually a mansion in and of itself.

Looking down at it from atop a nearby building, you decide to circle it before going in, and you hop down to the street while Homura prowls about on the rooftops, examining the area with a keen eye. Mami joins you down on the streets, trailing you as you hop over and around the sparse people and cars. Brief colour blooms as you swing around a lamppost with one arm, momentarily bringing it into the timestop with you.

"What's wrong, Mami?" you ask, after a few minutes of Mami trailing you silently. You come to a halt, and half turn to look at her.

Mami blinks unhappily, and opens her mouth, before slowly closing it again. Eventually, she begins, "Oriko... is not the first magical girl I've had to fight for territory."

You think you can hear a 'but', hanging in the air.

"She's the first to have gone after your friends like this?" you fill in the blanks for her.

"Yes, she is," Mami says, looking away. "I don't understand. Why would she do that? She- I- I want her to pay, Sabrina. But I- I- why would she do that? Set fire to Sayaka's house, and then set a trap for you like that?"

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Do you want to comb the house room by room, just scan it from the outside, that kind of thing?
 
[X] "Probably because she has some weird 'messiah' complex where she thinks she has to 'save the world' from some delusional threat. At least, thats what I gathered from our only talk and the note"
[X]Check everywhere. Leave no stone unturned. Be sure to check and prepare for traps and to bug out at a moments notice.
 
[x] "Well, before the explosion... I noticed a note on the ground. It just said, 'This was and remains necessary.'. For whatever reason, she believes that this 'had' to happen. She's a precog. If she can see the future... or 'a' future, then perhaps she's trying to change it to something she prefers?"
-[x] "It doesn't change the fact that the future she wants requires Sayaka's house to burn down or to let everyone else in that fire suffer or having me dead or atleast out of the way. Regardless of what she wants, I have a few problems with that."


[x] Check everywhere. Even if she's not here, you might be able to find clues to some of her recent activities. Be sure to check and prepare for traps and to bug out at a moments notice.
 
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[x] "Well, before the explosion... I noticed a note on the ground. It just said, 'This was and remains necessary.'. For whatever reason, she believes that this 'had' to happen. She's a precog. If she can see the future... or 'a' future, then perhaps she's trying to change it to something she prefers?"
-[x] "It doesn't change the fact that the future she wants requires Sayaka's house to burn down or to let everyone else in that fire suffer or having me dead or atleast out of the way. Regardless of what she wants, I have a few problems with that."


[x] Check everywhere. Even if she's not here, you might be able to find clues to some of her recent activities. Be sure to check and prepare for traps and to bug out at a moments notice.
 
[x] "Well, before the explosion... I noticed a note on the ground. It just said, 'This was and remains necessary.'. For whatever reason, she believes that this 'had' to happen. She's a precog. If she can see the future... or 'a' future, then perhaps she's trying to change it to something she prefers?"
-[x] "It doesn't change the fact that the future she wants requires Sayaka's house to burn down or to let everyone else in that fire suffer or having me dead or atleast out of the way. Regardless of what she wants, I have a few problems with that."


[x] Check everywhere. Even if she's not here, you might be able to find clues to some of her recent activities. Be sure to check and prepare for traps and to bug out at a moments notice.
 
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