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Because they are identical twins.
NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)
- Thread starter I.F. Ister
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- Original Fantasy Action
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- norse mythology (mythology) original xianxia cultivation western cultivation ask sirihand did your mother tell you anything? discussion pleases yggdrasil farming gloating gets people killed granary management hubris is a coward's word you will die norsemen do not die when they are killed the qm has a bad memory the qm is bad at math viking courtroom drama (legal drama) vikings open voting
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Right. And Traits include things like being interested in traveling, being good at crafting, or being a natural leader. Which is to say personality stuff. Identical twins are identical physically, not psychologically.
Shard
One and Many
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How would he tell (without us already knowing we ourselves were related to his king), anyway? Does he have the genealogy of his king up and down a few generations plus sideways?
Hmmm the only possible answers (assuming a non-Halla character but otherwise same Saemd/Hair/Eyes/etc)..
Not knowing father's name (!) -> Maybe????
Geirmundson/Geirmundottir at any point -> Obviously they know.
Would have to be at least one, ideally two, steps removed for Hooknails to know without alt!Halla not knowing:
Would need either Geirmund's daughter/grandaughter or grandson in order to remove having 'Geirmundson' show up while still being part of his offspring.
Interestingly based on Hooknail's words there's nobody else related to Geirmund in his kingdom? It would have been mighty difficult to not meet others related to Geirmund, given we know that Odin's blood always shows up in offspring. His phrasing of words either imply he only knows Geirmund plus Halla, and at most one other (if the two men he has met doesn't include Halla).
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- Norway
Brains are physical. Psychology grows from a physical basis. Here's a fun article on how extremely different environments growing up still resulted in behaviorally similar twins:
Jack Yufe, a Jew Whose Twin Was a Nazi, Dies at 82 (Published 2015)
Mr. Yufe became a celebrity after he and his brother were subjects in a study of nature versus nurture.
Halla's kids will hopefully be getting more similar environments than that, too.
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Sure, my college major was psychology and I'm very familiar with twin studies. Twins raised separately from each other have a lot of interesting commonalities, biology effects a lot (it's probably the source of roughly half of everything, again based on said twin studies, with the other half being environmental factors of various sorts). But even among twins raised together it's not everything by any means. Certainly not universally personality things like being a leader or being friendly.
If you wanted to fiddle with the system those being more likely to show up in both twins would make sense, but twins do not share literally every personality trait and claiming they do is deeply inaccurate.
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Shard
One and Many
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- Malaysia
Interestingly, Hooknails did not recognize Standstill when we used the Halting Vortex/Semi-Halting Vortex, but only when we used IAT. It seems that Hooknails' primary experience with Standstill might have been on the receiving end of IAT, and he doesn't recognize the defensive application of Standstill, possibly because said other user of Standstill already had other options for a perfect defense.
Halla saying her Standstill mastery being called pitiful by some is fascinating. Standstill is not a common Hugareida, there's not a lot of people who can even judge her mastery (or lack thereof) of Standstill.
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- United States
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I wonder if eventually, once we get a couple generations down, we would be able to make housings in our soul for our ghostly family members, just have the infinite growth family farm (aside from any bottlenecks naturally in place in this regard).
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- some computer lab
There's an idea. How did norsemen usually expand their farm? raising a larger fence once we break through to realm 2 seems extremely dangerous, but obviously al arger fence takes longer to build in the first place. It seems like a fitting analogue to how strong your Foundation is in traditional xianxia, as a larger farm has more room to grow stuff.
I.F. Ister
Fortifying The Thread
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On the twin talk; I am of the opinion that identical twins being completely identical in all ways in fiction is lazy writing. I am a lazy hack, yes, but I'm not that much of one. As such, I think that identical twins vs fraternal twins is a pointless thing to differentiate as it results in the same thing in the narrative. With regards to NorseQuest, of course.
Halla has some nascent self-esteem issues with regards to not having anything truly standout compared to the rest of her family. Everybody else has something they excel at, except for her.
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Shard
One and Many
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I think in Stage 2 we go from a Farm to a Village.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
My bet's still that Stage 2 unlocks actual Life, since a properly completed Stage 1 contains all the conditions to allow for it.
Oof.
The fact that while she may not be the best at any one thing, but can compete with them in many things isn't something that she can easily grasp yet, huh?
Oof.
The fact that while she may not be the best at any one thing, but can compete with them in many things isn't something that she can easily grasp yet, huh?
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Man, it's going to be wild being able to go adventuring in the Soulscape.
Shard
One and Many
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- Malaysia
Well, Halla will soon (if she doesn't die) be a Seeress with everything that entails. Plus her growing Huskarl army.. though it is doubtful Halla will get Jarlsoul.
Incidentally, would it be appropriate if Stigmar, Trausti or Tryggr introduced themselves as members of Halla's Hird, if they wanted to do so for some reason?
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Interesting. I think she's probably the best poet in the family, but it's true she's not, like, full professional level. I think she's also the best at Hugareida (with the possible exception of Steinarr which isn't a fair comparison), though that's courtesy of Blackhand, so she may not feel like she's earned it. There's also the seidr, but that's new...yeah, I can see why she might feel that way.
I'm not sure it's that unlikely. We're 2/9 of the way there already and we're gonna be recruiting people for our Wessex/Vestfold trips...like, at least a dozen of them. Getting a recruit or two out of that seems very possible, as is recruiting Aki in a few years when he's grown up. And that's just in the next few years...the war is likely to provide additional opportunities if we survive.
It's not a sure thing by any means, but it's not that unlikely either.
Some IC commentary on this would be great, but her opinion of us went from 8/10 before we gave them to her to 10/10 afterward, so I'd say she liked them a lot.
To be fair, we only have the incomplete jarlsoul trait. Rather than the full jarlsoul trait unlocked.
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True, but I suspect if we complete the partial version we'll move on to the full version and put in some effort, which seems a reasonable choice and something we will probably be well set up to attempt at that point.
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I.F. Ister
Fortifying The Thread
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Oh she understands that. She also understands that merely competing isn't enough to build a long-lasting legend.
Halla is the boldest of her siblings, but that's not nearly as tangible as, say, a sword, dress, or boat is. She could very easily become the best raider amongst them, but she's only been on one raid. Can't prove anything with a sample size of one.
Shard
One and Many
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- Malaysia
I am curious as to how strong spirits are in this setting. This probably won't come up, buut..
Hey Blackhand,
If someone stole Sagaseeker from me, then tried to wield it, how poor of an idea would that be? Would Sagaseeker 'merely' be a poor Atgeir, or would he try to gouge out the thief's eyes or something?
Is Sagaseeker's apparant age reflective of him not quite being sapient, or Sagaseeker having been own by me for such a short time?
Can Sagaseeker, or my.. ..unnamed.. armor learn to use tricks on their own accord?
...On that note, do you have any good names for armor?
Do you know if it is possible for Sagaseeker to 'stoke' their aspects.. if they even have Aspects to stoke?
Hey Blackhand,
If someone stole Sagaseeker from me, then tried to wield it, how poor of an idea would that be? Would Sagaseeker 'merely' be a poor Atgeir, or would he try to gouge out the thief's eyes or something?
Is Sagaseeker's apparant age reflective of him not quite being sapient, or Sagaseeker having been own by me for such a short time?
Can Sagaseeker, or my.. ..unnamed.. armor learn to use tricks on their own accord?
...On that note, do you have any good names for armor?
Do you know if it is possible for Sagaseeker to 'stoke' their aspects.. if they even have Aspects to stoke?
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AeonIlluminate
The power of friendship and aggressive landscaping
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Deadman, is there anything stopping us from asking multiple people about stuff to train each turn, like were asking Halfdan about things we can do with Atigir magic, and if so, are we able to poke Steinarr about some Sword magic things to do. Or did we do that already and I may have forgotten.
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- Somewhere in The Woods
Glowstone sounds great. Now we just need redstone.
Oooh, neat.
Could we also try to do the 'guide Orth through material thematically fitting to the trick (like Ashenkiss as material for KS) and see if it makes a difference' thing?
Seeresses being connected to wands is well sourced (for example: danisch nationalmuseums opinion on it), and this is a fitting experiment to see If that could be used in the fighting side of things.
So for someone battlehorny like Halla that is everyone she considers asking for a spar, right?
Shard
One and Many
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We gots only 3 actions per turn to do such things with. But to some extent I think so?
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I suggest that we just say we Shapeshift a Fast in our physical body and experiment there.
Additionally, we should test out first with non-damaging tricks (Folded Sickness Sear) and lower folds (2-Fold, then 3-Fold) in case it explodes in our face.
Well, that's spicy. Might be safer to ask Sagaseeker to invest a point of Orthsirr in our Pocket, or invest Orthsirr in a Pocket using specifically Sagaseeker's Orthsirr. Metaphysically speaking for this to work Sagaseeker would need to have Aspects, and we would be weaving Sagaseeker's Aspects into our own Aspects which is very spicy stuff.
Best case: Armory Pocket that only works for Sagaseeker, Sagaseeker's Orthsirr is tied to us in unknown/unclear ways.
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- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
I imagine there were surprisingly many people elsewhere in the world who were up to it, they're just not as dramatized.
With that said, our vikings are definitely built abnormal, so "just row upstream literally all day" goes on the pile with "just punch the bull between the eyes" and other "do you even lift" situations.
I get the sense that Hooknails has some kind of comprehensive, semi-formal education in known Hugareida, including weird obscure ones that are only known to one person in a hundred. This raises several possibilities:
1) Being one of the personal men of this king he's loyal to means access to people who know this kind of thing (I wouldn't be surprised if skalds make it their business to learn an absurd number of different Hugareida and pick up stories of obscure ones like jackdaws).
2) Being one of the people the Enemy likes to push around the world like chessmen pushed around a board means he somehow gets this information from an exotic or unusual source.
3) People in this guy's weight class are in general quite likely to have this kind of comprehensive understanding of known Hugareida, and the relative handful of guys this strong that we know are either exceptions to the rule or just not sharing all their knowledge with us because we never asked or because they didn't feel like it was worth their time.
Halla is still very much learning as she goes, and given that even the rudiments of "how Norse cultivating world combat shenanigans work" were pretty much entirely unknown to her five years ago, even with Blackhand whispering in her ear she may not be able to match what people five or ten years her senior know about the subject.
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