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- United States
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- They/Them
Headcanon that they speak in a fourth-dimensional way across time and space, not in a way us mere mortals can comprehend.
NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)
- Thread starter I.F. Ister
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- Original Fantasy Action
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- norse mythology (mythology) original xianxia cultivation western cultivation ask sirihand did your mother tell you anything? discussion pleases yggdrasil farming gloating gets people killed granary management hubris is a coward's word you will die norsemen do not die when they are killed the qm has a bad memory the qm is bad at math viking courtroom drama (legal drama) vikings
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My headcanon is that they text using magic smartphones. Because it's funnier that way. Yours is more likely, though.
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- United States
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Longest 3 person shared creative work wiki in the universe.
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Someone's personal saga has just been repurposed as a place for them to leave each other notes. They do this via some combination of weather, bizarre animal behavior, and other similar things. That man lives a deeply odd life.
Sirrocco
Pedantic
The hilarious part of it is that he's entirely accustomed to having this deeply odd life. It's normal for him. He thinks the world just works that way... and it's basically impossible to come up with evidence that will convince him otherwise, because for him, it does.
NorseQuest 2.0
I.F. Ister
Fortifying The Thread
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Finally, it's done. Thank you @DeadmanwalkingXI and all the other helpers for assisting me greatly in this. As it is extremely probable that I've missed or overlooked something, please don't hesitate to point anything out!
Furthermore, we will be redoing the turn vote.
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With all that said and done, it's time for you folks to try out the new turn planning method.
[ ] Plan Name
-[ ] Write in what you wish to focus on
-[ ] Write in your first low-effort action
-[ ] Write in your second low-effort action
-[ ] Write in your extended action, if you desire to use it right now.
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Training: You have 59 XP to spend as you see fit.
-[ ] (Training) Hamr (511 XP to rank up)
--[ ] (Optional) Train a hamr skill or trick (Write in)
-[ ] (Training) Hugr (183 XP to rank up)
--[ ] (Optional) Train a hugr skill or trick (Write in)
-[ ] (Training) Fylgja (512 XP to rank up)
--[ ] (Optional) Train a fylgja skill or trick (Write in)
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-[ ] Work Options
--[ ] Specify specific things
Furthermore, we will be redoing the turn vote.
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Turns are now 1 month each rather than 2/3 months.
You also now have 1 Focus Action and 2 Low-Effort Actions per turn.
Focus Actions are for talking to people or other, more intensive things while Low-Effort Actions (or LK Actions) are for lower effort things like crafting, exploration, research, information gathering, sacrifices, and more.
You also now have Extended Actions, which are where you go and do something that takes multiple updates to get through, like travel or shopping or combat. You get 1 Extended Action a season (every 6 turns), but that is a bit up in the air.
You also now have 1 Focus Action and 2 Low-Effort Actions per turn.
Focus Actions are for talking to people or other, more intensive things while Low-Effort Actions (or LK Actions) are for lower effort things like crafting, exploration, research, information gathering, sacrifices, and more.
You also now have Extended Actions, which are where you go and do something that takes multiple updates to get through, like travel or shopping or combat. You get 1 Extended Action a season (every 6 turns), but that is a bit up in the air.
Here's the new skill list;
Hamr:
Combat (All Hamr Combat Skills),
Labor (Farmwork + Labor + Management),
Travel (Overland + Sailing),
Hugr:
Housecraft (Artcraft [but not Smithing and Runes] + Design + Housecraft [Everything but Smithing])
Scouting (Scouting + Wildcraft),
Smithing (Artcraft [Smithing Only] + Armorcraft + Housecraft [Smithing Only] + Weaponcraft),
Social (Barb-Tongue + Composure + Silver-Tongue),
Tactics (Tactics + Strategy),
Wordplay (Artcraft [Runes Only] + Wordplay + Adds to Capacity)
Stats no longer need Orthstirr committed in order to work at full capacity. In-universe, the Norse still use Orthstirr for this, but it's below the level of abstraction.
Skills also have unique—for the most part—bonuses for Infusion.
-Combat: Adds +1 to each Prowess Stat in order as it increases in level (so Infusion 1 grants +1 Initiative, Infusion 2 grants +1 Stamina, and so on)
-Labor: +1 Work
-Travel: +1 to find interesting things while traveling or exploring
-Housecraft: +1 Minimum quality
Scouting: Increased Insight into what you see
Smithing: +1 Minimum quality
Social: Calm Charges
Tactics: Increased Insight into others
Wordplay: +1 Capacity
Hamr:
Combat (All Hamr Combat Skills),
Labor (Farmwork + Labor + Management),
Travel (Overland + Sailing),
Hugr:
Housecraft (Artcraft [but not Smithing and Runes] + Design + Housecraft [Everything but Smithing])
Scouting (Scouting + Wildcraft),
Smithing (Artcraft [Smithing Only] + Armorcraft + Housecraft [Smithing Only] + Weaponcraft),
Social (Barb-Tongue + Composure + Silver-Tongue),
Tactics (Tactics + Strategy),
Wordplay (Artcraft [Runes Only] + Wordplay + Adds to Capacity)
Stats no longer need Orthstirr committed in order to work at full capacity. In-universe, the Norse still use Orthstirr for this, but it's below the level of abstraction.
Skills also have unique—for the most part—bonuses for Infusion.
-Combat: Adds +1 to each Prowess Stat in order as it increases in level (so Infusion 1 grants +1 Initiative, Infusion 2 grants +1 Stamina, and so on)
-Labor: +1 Work
-Travel: +1 to find interesting things while traveling or exploring
-Housecraft: +1 Minimum quality
Scouting: Increased Insight into what you see
Smithing: +1 Minimum quality
Social: Calm Charges
Tactics: Increased Insight into others
Wordplay: +1 Capacity
Noncombat Skill Rolls are rolled with Attribute using the normal dice, then get a number of successes added equal to the Skill. So if Halla has Hugr 12 and Social 6 she'd roll 12d6 for Social rolls, then add 6 successes. Other boosts to that like Odr are added on top.
You have a total pool of 'Work Points' equal to your Labor stat. This pool is spent to do additional low-effort (for me) things like crafting, research, and so on.
-Crafting (Spend 1 Work and gain one item that you could auto-succeed at crafting, not counting Aspect usage...this is the replacement for mass production)
-In-Depth Crafting (Spend 1 Work to make a crafting roll and then one additional work if the item has runes, one if it gets bone ash added, one if it is quenched in a specific way, one if an Experience is added, and so on. Can only be done twice per turn.)
-Consumables (Spend 1 Work per three consumables)
-Write poetry based on an Inspiration (Spend 3 Work, gain 1/9 Orthstirr per 3 successes, only available once per Inspiration)
-Repair (Spend 1 Work to repair one damaged item that it's possible to repair completely)
-Seidr and Other Magic (Do something like collect an Experience or perform a single minor divination or fertility blessing. Each costs 3 Work)
-Proof of Concept (Make a quick check of how two magical things interact, most obviously this allows checking if an Alloy works, though it'd also allow checking unknown magic items and how they work and similar things. Can only be done 9 times per season.).
You have a total pool of 'Work Points' equal to your Labor stat. This pool is spent to do additional low-effort (for me) things like crafting, research, and so on.
-Crafting (Spend 1 Work and gain one item that you could auto-succeed at crafting, not counting Aspect usage...this is the replacement for mass production)
-In-Depth Crafting (Spend 1 Work to make a crafting roll and then one additional work if the item has runes, one if it gets bone ash added, one if it is quenched in a specific way, one if an Experience is added, and so on. Can only be done twice per turn.)
-Consumables (Spend 1 Work per three consumables)
-Write poetry based on an Inspiration (Spend 3 Work, gain 1/9 Orthstirr per 3 successes, only available once per Inspiration)
-Repair (Spend 1 Work to repair one damaged item that it's possible to repair completely)
-Seidr and Other Magic (Do something like collect an Experience or perform a single minor divination or fertility blessing. Each costs 3 Work)
-Proof of Concept (Make a quick check of how two magical things interact, most obviously this allows checking if an Alloy works, though it'd also allow checking unknown magic items and how they work and similar things. Can only be done 9 times per season.).
Note: Names are not finalized and are up for change should they be unwieldy
Combat Foundation
Endurance: How much damage you can withstand before defeat
Armor: How much damage must be dealt before it affects you. Reduced every time an attack lands.
Orthstirr: How many levels of orthstirr you have available to spend for the fight. Every round, you decide how much orthstirr to spend, which boosts everything you do in the round by +1.
Combat: How many dice you roll per roll.
Combat Framework
Initiative: How fast you react to things and, thus, how soon you act in both a round of combat and clashes.
Stamina: How many rounds of combat you can fight before you start to get increasing penalties from fatigue.
Speed: How many attacks you can make in a single round.
Capacity: How many different tricks you have available for the round.
Analysis: How well you can read your opponent/s and/or the situation.
Combat Modifiers
Offense: What gets added to your attack rolls.
Defense: What gets added to your defense rolls
Pierce: Things that add damage to your attacks
-Specifics: Sometimes, you have things that give you Pierce only in specific situations/requirements
Resist: Things that detract damage from enemy attacks
-Specifics: Sometimes, you have things that give you Resist only in specific situations/requirements
Combat Foundation
Endurance: How much damage you can withstand before defeat
Armor: How much damage must be dealt before it affects you. Reduced every time an attack lands.
Orthstirr: How many levels of orthstirr you have available to spend for the fight. Every round, you decide how much orthstirr to spend, which boosts everything you do in the round by +1.
Combat: How many dice you roll per roll.
Combat Framework
Initiative: How fast you react to things and, thus, how soon you act in both a round of combat and clashes.
Stamina: How many rounds of combat you can fight before you start to get increasing penalties from fatigue.
Speed: How many attacks you can make in a single round.
Capacity: How many different tricks you have available for the round.
Analysis: How well you can read your opponent/s and/or the situation.
Combat Modifiers
Offense: What gets added to your attack rolls.
Defense: What gets added to your defense rolls
Pierce: Things that add damage to your attacks
-Specifics: Sometimes, you have things that give you Pierce only in specific situations/requirements
Resist: Things that detract damage from enemy attacks
-Specifics: Sometimes, you have things that give you Resist only in specific situations/requirements
Planning
Planning for combat is vastly simplified. There are 3 steps and they are as follows;
Step 1: Determine Goal
-Step 1 is to decide what you are trying to accomplish in that round and how you want to go about it. This gives me a general idea of the way to write Halla in the fight.
Step 2: Ready Tricks
-You then pick as many tricks as is equal to your Capacity. These are the tricks that you have on hand to use whenever applicable during the fight. You can repick while planning for the next round. When performing this step, you can choose to only pick a single Trick with the (Focus) notation, and if you do so you only use that Trick and only once, but may add dice equal to your Capacity to the roll for that single Trick.
Step 3: Decide Orthstirr
-Next, you decide how many levels of orthstirr to use. To use tricks at all, you need to spend a minimum of 1 level of orthstirr. Every level of orthstirr you spend gives you a +1 bonus to all your rolls during that round of combat. If you spend 7 levels, you get +7 to your rolls.
An example of this is as follows;
[ ] Plan Name
-[ ] Goal: Take out the enemy's henchmen as quick as possible.
-[ ] Tricks: Trick 1, Trick 2, Trick 3, Trick 4, Trick...
-[ ] Orthstirr: 5 Levels
After that, your job is done and mine begins.
How Stats Come Into Play
While this doesn't matter as much to you as it does to me, I think it's still important for you to know how your stats affect the outcomes of combat. This way, you can better decide how to train and develop.
First things first, some terminology.
-'Basic': Basic attacks and defenses are just that, basic. There's no special gimmick with them, unlike with tricks. You don't need to spend anything to do them, either, as they're done automatically.
-'Tricks': Special attacks or defenses or other moves that 'shake up the board', so to speak. They're potent moves one does to create or take advantage of opportunities, such as when one is on the backfoot and needs to make space or any other situation.
Second things second, how dice are rolled.
-Basic Attacks or Defenses are rolled with Combat Skill. Tricks may add their associated Style or Hugareida as a flat bonus as well.
-On any attack, whatever stat is being used adds its rating as a static bonus (so, +10 at Hamr 10). Fylgja Attacks use Fylgja, Hugareida Attacks use Hugr.
-Frenzy, Weapons, and Armor give static numerical bonuses to all attacks and defenses using them, as does spending Orthstirr (spending it adds to all attacks and defenses, Odr cannot be spent for this).
-Sharpen and Fortify add +1d6 each, add +1 damage/-1 damage respectively, have their normal downsides, and can be combined with spending Orthstirr. They take no Capacity, cost an additional 1 Orthstirr and cannot be stacked.
-Weapon Elemental Effects add +1 damage and cost an additional 1 Orthstirr.
-Stoker State always costs 1 additional Orthstirr and adds 'Stoked Points' to the pool rather than dice, at the same rate.
Weapon Effects
-Two-Handed Weapons - When wielding a two-handed weapon in both hands (or, with Leverage-Enhancing Musculature, a one handed weapon in two hands) the wielder gets to double their Pierce, but every round spent doing this counts as two rounds for Stamina purposes. This obviously foregoes the use of a shield and various other advantages to using a one handed weapon.
-Dual Wielding - When wielding weapons in both hands, the wielder may attack twice for every time their opponent does. This doesn't increase Speed, and they still need a shapeshift to strike truly simultaneously, but it allows them to get through six attacks while their opponent has only gotten through three. This also obviously foregoes the use of a shield.
Planning for combat is vastly simplified. There are 3 steps and they are as follows;
Step 1: Determine Goal
-Step 1 is to decide what you are trying to accomplish in that round and how you want to go about it. This gives me a general idea of the way to write Halla in the fight.
Step 2: Ready Tricks
-You then pick as many tricks as is equal to your Capacity. These are the tricks that you have on hand to use whenever applicable during the fight. You can repick while planning for the next round. When performing this step, you can choose to only pick a single Trick with the (Focus) notation, and if you do so you only use that Trick and only once, but may add dice equal to your Capacity to the roll for that single Trick.
Step 3: Decide Orthstirr
-Next, you decide how many levels of orthstirr to use. To use tricks at all, you need to spend a minimum of 1 level of orthstirr. Every level of orthstirr you spend gives you a +1 bonus to all your rolls during that round of combat. If you spend 7 levels, you get +7 to your rolls.
An example of this is as follows;
[ ] Plan Name
-[ ] Goal: Take out the enemy's henchmen as quick as possible.
-[ ] Tricks: Trick 1, Trick 2, Trick 3, Trick 4, Trick...
-[ ] Orthstirr: 5 Levels
After that, your job is done and mine begins.
How Stats Come Into Play
While this doesn't matter as much to you as it does to me, I think it's still important for you to know how your stats affect the outcomes of combat. This way, you can better decide how to train and develop.
First things first, some terminology.
-'Basic': Basic attacks and defenses are just that, basic. There's no special gimmick with them, unlike with tricks. You don't need to spend anything to do them, either, as they're done automatically.
-'Tricks': Special attacks or defenses or other moves that 'shake up the board', so to speak. They're potent moves one does to create or take advantage of opportunities, such as when one is on the backfoot and needs to make space or any other situation.
Second things second, how dice are rolled.
-Basic Attacks or Defenses are rolled with Combat Skill. Tricks may add their associated Style or Hugareida as a flat bonus as well.
-On any attack, whatever stat is being used adds its rating as a static bonus (so, +10 at Hamr 10). Fylgja Attacks use Fylgja, Hugareida Attacks use Hugr.
-Frenzy, Weapons, and Armor give static numerical bonuses to all attacks and defenses using them, as does spending Orthstirr (spending it adds to all attacks and defenses, Odr cannot be spent for this).
-Sharpen and Fortify add +1d6 each, add +1 damage/-1 damage respectively, have their normal downsides, and can be combined with spending Orthstirr. They take no Capacity, cost an additional 1 Orthstirr and cannot be stacked.
-Weapon Elemental Effects add +1 damage and cost an additional 1 Orthstirr.
-Stoker State always costs 1 additional Orthstirr and adds 'Stoked Points' to the pool rather than dice, at the same rate.
Weapon Effects
-Two-Handed Weapons - When wielding a two-handed weapon in both hands (or, with Leverage-Enhancing Musculature, a one handed weapon in two hands) the wielder gets to double their Pierce, but every round spent doing this counts as two rounds for Stamina purposes. This obviously foregoes the use of a shield and various other advantages to using a one handed weapon.
-Dual Wielding - When wielding weapons in both hands, the wielder may attack twice for every time their opponent does. This doesn't increase Speed, and they still need a shapeshift to strike truly simultaneously, but it allows them to get through six attacks while their opponent has only gotten through three. This also obviously foregoes the use of a shield.
Tool and Farm Rules:
This system is somewhat speculative and may be changed later, but we're simplifying all logistical stuff involving tools and farm stuff into three stats, rated between 1 and 9
Unlike the current system, you don't need to spend Work on making this function (that gets fiddly), though you probably need a total number of adults equal to the higher of Land and Infrastructure to keep a farm running.
These three stats are:
-Land – The natural resources of the land itself that are inherent to it, such as its fertility, wood, and wild game.
-Provides Food equal to Level x4 per turn
-Provides Silver equal to Level/2 per turn
-Can only be raised by gaining new land
-Tools – This stat determine possession of tools of all types, from farming, to training, to crafting.
-Provides bonus successes on Crafting rolls equal to its rating
-Provides bonus xp equal to (Level-3) per turn from Training Items
-Doubles the xp invested in a number of attributes, skills, Martial Styles, and Kunna equal to (Level-3) x3 (the first six levels are what most people have and provide nothing)
-Can be raised with sufficient money or crafting. Specifically, three Crafting actions requiring a success level at the new level of Tools being aimed for , each of which may be replaced by an expenditure of (New Level Squared) x3 oz. Silver (so 48 oz. silver each roll replaced to go from 3 to 4, 243 oz. silver per roll replaced to go from 8 to 9), assuming there is a sufficiently skilled smith around to purchase items of that level from.
-Infrastructure – This stat governs anything you use on a farm but is neither part of the land, nor readily portable. The buildings, any beehives, livestock, all that kind of thing. This includes some things that are tools in NQ1 like Pots.
-Level x5 determines how many people can live on your land
-Provides bonus successes equal to its rating on Crafting rolls made at home
-Provides Food Storage equal to Level x40
-Provides Food equal to Level x2 per turn
-Provides Silver equal to Level per turn
-Can be raised by work in theory, but in practice, that's more of a plot element than spending Work. Maybe an action or all your Work would be expended, but it involves enough NPCs you can't generally do it alone. Or by acquiring new infrastructure in other ways like inheriting a herd of cattle.
Weapons and non-utility magic items must be kept track of separately, but everything else is just folded into these stats.
This system is somewhat speculative and may be changed later, but we're simplifying all logistical stuff involving tools and farm stuff into three stats, rated between 1 and 9
Unlike the current system, you don't need to spend Work on making this function (that gets fiddly), though you probably need a total number of adults equal to the higher of Land and Infrastructure to keep a farm running.
These three stats are:
-Land – The natural resources of the land itself that are inherent to it, such as its fertility, wood, and wild game.
-Provides Food equal to Level x4 per turn
-Provides Silver equal to Level/2 per turn
-Can only be raised by gaining new land
-Tools – This stat determine possession of tools of all types, from farming, to training, to crafting.
-Provides bonus successes on Crafting rolls equal to its rating
-Provides bonus xp equal to (Level-3) per turn from Training Items
-Doubles the xp invested in a number of attributes, skills, Martial Styles, and Kunna equal to (Level-3) x3 (the first six levels are what most people have and provide nothing)
-Can be raised with sufficient money or crafting. Specifically, three Crafting actions requiring a success level at the new level of Tools being aimed for , each of which may be replaced by an expenditure of (New Level Squared) x3 oz. Silver (so 48 oz. silver each roll replaced to go from 3 to 4, 243 oz. silver per roll replaced to go from 8 to 9), assuming there is a sufficiently skilled smith around to purchase items of that level from.
-Infrastructure – This stat governs anything you use on a farm but is neither part of the land, nor readily portable. The buildings, any beehives, livestock, all that kind of thing. This includes some things that are tools in NQ1 like Pots.
-Level x5 determines how many people can live on your land
-Provides bonus successes equal to its rating on Crafting rolls made at home
-Provides Food Storage equal to Level x40
-Provides Food equal to Level x2 per turn
-Provides Silver equal to Level per turn
-Can be raised by work in theory, but in practice, that's more of a plot element than spending Work. Maybe an action or all your Work would be expended, but it involves enough NPCs you can't generally do it alone. Or by acquiring new infrastructure in other ways like inheriting a herd of cattle.
Weapons and non-utility magic items must be kept track of separately, but everything else is just folded into these stats.
Advancement:
Advancement mostly works the same (being based on xp used for training), but specific numbers from things other than Hamingja are reduced to reflect the fact that this is per month rather than every two months. This looks like this at the moment:
Training: 59 xp (1 from base, 34 from hamingja, 11 from Sparring [Halfdan, Abjorn, Stigmar, Tryggr, Trausti, Vagn Wheel-Drifter, Kare, Hakon, Alvis, Trygve, and Magni], 2 from Partial Sparring [Eric, Ingolf, Eysteinn, and Kurt], 5 from Training Item, 6 from Hooknails' Reckoning)
Advancement mostly works the same (being based on xp used for training), but specific numbers from things other than Hamingja are reduced to reflect the fact that this is per month rather than every two months. This looks like this at the moment:
Training: 59 xp (1 from base, 34 from hamingja, 11 from Sparring [Halfdan, Abjorn, Stigmar, Tryggr, Trausti, Vagn Wheel-Drifter, Kare, Hakon, Alvis, Trygve, and Magni], 2 from Partial Sparring [Eric, Ingolf, Eysteinn, and Kurt], 5 from Training Item, 6 from Hooknails' Reckoning)
The system change results in some slight adjustments to various shapeshift options:
-Offensive-Tuned Reflexes (1 Slot) - Adds a +1 bonus to all attacks (basic and trick)
-Defensive-Tuned Reflexes (1 Slot) - Adds a +1 bonus to all defenses (basic and trick)
-Adrenaline Rush (1 Slot) - Increases dice rolled for Hamr rolls in combat by 1
-Reduced Sleep (1 Slot) - Reduced need for sleep allows one free Work per turn.
-Quick-Recovering Muscles (1 Slot) - Gives +1 Stamina, physically works by increasing the rate at which your body removes lactic acid
-Leverage-Enhancing Musculature (1 Slot) - Allows the user to gain the benefits of wielding a weapon in two hands with a normally one handed weapon.
-Offensive-Tuned Reflexes (1 Slot) - Adds a +1 bonus to all attacks (basic and trick)
-Defensive-Tuned Reflexes (1 Slot) - Adds a +1 bonus to all defenses (basic and trick)
-Adrenaline Rush (1 Slot) - Increases dice rolled for Hamr rolls in combat by 1
-Reduced Sleep (1 Slot) - Reduced need for sleep allows one free Work per turn.
-Quick-Recovering Muscles (1 Slot) - Gives +1 Stamina, physically works by increasing the rate at which your body removes lactic acid
-Leverage-Enhancing Musculature (1 Slot) - Allows the user to gain the benefits of wielding a weapon in two hands with a normally one handed weapon.
With all that said and done, it's time for you folks to try out the new turn planning method.
[ ] Plan Name
-[ ] Write in what you wish to focus on
-[ ] Write in your first low-effort action
-[ ] Write in your second low-effort action
-[ ] Write in your extended action, if you desire to use it right now.
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Training: You have 59 XP to spend as you see fit.
-[ ] (Training) Hamr (511 XP to rank up)
--[ ] (Optional) Train a hamr skill or trick (Write in)
-[ ] (Training) Hugr (183 XP to rank up)
--[ ] (Optional) Train a hugr skill or trick (Write in)
-[ ] (Training) Fylgja (512 XP to rank up)
--[ ] (Optional) Train a fylgja skill or trick (Write in)
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-[ ] Work Options
--[ ] Specify specific things
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Bets on how long till it breaks?
I kid, I know you and the others worked hard on this and I can tell it will make turns much easier for you to manage.
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We might want to hold off on turn plans for a minute while I update the character sheet to the new system. For one thing, xp would still be included and the amount of that per turn is being adjusted.
That might take a little, but should be done sometime tonight-ish.
That might take a little, but should be done sometime tonight-ish.
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High Clerk of the Ymaryn
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In that case, i'll just put the last char sheet (as of 01/23/2024) here for an archive for future readers:
I.F. Ister
Fortifying The Thread
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Well, I'm not calling it until sometime either tomorrow or the day after. I've got just a ton of anxiety over this so I'm definitely in no place to be writing anything at all and also so we can make any adjustments that are needed.
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Totally fair.
Some additional logistical stuff has been added to the listed plan format (XP and Work) along with how some logistical stuff functions. Character sheet update still pending.
I'll throw up a version of the previous turn plan matching the new system after the character sheet (I still think doing Yule stuff and Owlbear hunting is probably right).
The initiative, endurance and speed stats reference clashes, but nowhere it is clarified what those are. Also, one of the benefits of infusing stats was freeing the orthstirr put there. Now that it's not needed will the attribute infusions be adjusted as well?
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I can't speak to the first, but Attribute Infusions are already great even with the current stuff...the not needing to add Orthstirr has been barely relevant for a very long time. I think those probably stay.
I.F. Ister
Fortifying The Thread
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Ah! Clashes are the brief moments in a fight where you're exchanging blows with an enemy, rather than maneuvering, catching your breath, planning, or any other myriad action. Essentially, they're 'sub-rounds' of combat. Sometimes one clash is against one foe while the second is against a different foe—both foes will, of course, be made clear during planning.
I.F. Ister
Fortifying The Thread
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So, how do the mechanics seem at first glance? Are they good, bad, better at least?
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The skills listed feels a little too small, especially only having 3 skills for all of Hamr imo. Unless the xp requirement for each skill goes up largely, we are going to be quickly able to become extremely... extremely good at skills, in a way that was not really possible before. And this is paired with the new system actually giving incentives to raise skills high.
I don't really understand the land system or how it's raised or improved. What determines the level of our tools? How many more tools would we need to improve our tool level? How many tool levels do we have? Can we just craft endlessly to create tool levels to get xp bonuses? What are the limits here? How much money do you need to raise it? It seems like it'd be optimal for us as written to spend all our Work for awhile on making more Tool levels to make xp so much better. Is that what we can do?
I don't really understand the land system or how it's raised or improved. What determines the level of our tools? How many more tools would we need to improve our tool level? How many tool levels do we have? Can we just craft endlessly to create tool levels to get xp bonuses? What are the limits here? How much money do you need to raise it? It seems like it'd be optimal for us as written to spend all our Work for awhile on making more Tool levels to make xp so much better. Is that what we can do?
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Each skill (other than Combat, which is special) tends to include only 2-3 of the old skills, due to skill costs doubling every level, this actually only makes the average skill level about 1 level higher than the same amount of xp in the previous iteration. Like, two skills at 5 in the previous system almost exactly equal out to one at 6 in the new system, and so on. Inasmuch as skills have gone up more than that in the conversion, it's purely due to some Tricks going away and getting cashed in...but raising high skills further is expensive. Getting one from 7 to 8 is 128 xp...that's a lot of xp, even halved via Training Items/Tools. Will we do it? In some cases yes, but it's not a casual expense.
The incentives thing is true, sure, but that's a good thing, not a bad thing...an actual incentive to raise skills is to the good. Like, thematically, we want a reason why we would raise skills, so there being incentives to do so is a positive.
It's also worth noting that we've lost some dice in the transition, so the numbers haven't changed as much as you might think, in terms of averages. In NQ1, Hugr 12 + Silver Tongue 6 was 20 dice and averaged just shy of 14 successes...in NQ2, with Hugr 12 and Social 7, it's 12 dice and 7 Successes which averages 15 successes exactly...a gain of only 1 and 1/3 successes. So there's a boost in efficacy, but a very modest one all things considered.
The rules for raising Tools are a bit preliminary (something that's totally my fault), but assuming this was true that makes no difference at all between now and how it was previously. We could already do that in the old rules (and, indeed, had done so pretty extensively). We're currently starting with about Level 8 in Tools (out of 9...it caps out at 9) just based on accurately converting our existing Tools.
Work definitely can't raise a stat like that, though. It'd be actions, assuming it's doable (my inclination is to say three crafting actions, each getting 9 success levels, to get it from 8 to 9...something like that anyway, maybe one extra action to fill out our existing slots, which aren't quite filled yet or something like that).
EDIT: And filled in some progression details on Tools (basically as suggested above or large infusions of cash to a crafter capable of making the same kind of rolls).
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The character sheet should now all be updated. I may have missed some stuff, in which case anyone informing me of that would be nice.
Meanwhile, in terms of plan, here's a basic reprise of the previously voted on turn plan, in the new format, and in terms of training putting the xp into some of the new stuff available that is very good to have, mostly Hugareida. Had to ditch the crafting as the Yule Action was just a bit too big. The Research is basically unchanged, since we actually already got the results on that, so we should probably stick with it (Tafl Board gains have also been rolled already...that'll go down to 1 after next turn, due to doubled turn number).
The Focus action could easily shift to Buri (who is probably more important), but I think the party is just likely to take up more writing time, which seems to be the way that's structured?
This plan also assumes we still get a free Yule Divination. If that's incorrect we'll need to fiddle with things a bit, depending on what that costs.
So, yeah, two questions @Imperial Fister
1. Do we still get a free Yule Divination, and if not would we be able to do it with Work or what?
2. How should we assign Focus actions: The thing it's most important to get done, even if we think it'll be real short, or the thing we think should get the most word count? Is the Focus an in-character thing or us the readers making a decision about what we're interested in reading?
[X] Plan Goodbye Brother Bart v 2.0
-[X] [Focus] Yule Party
--[X] Specifically, invite a bunch of people to our Yule party with a specific focus on any women any of our huscarls say they'd like to invite (they're all single, giving them an opportunity to mingle is good)
--[X] All direct neighbors would also be invited, including Buri's family
--[X] Very publicly give our retainers the things we've made for them (weapons, armor, and arm-rings)
--[X] Give out Grand Forged Iron farming tools to those families in the valley most in need of good tools, picking members of the family other than the head if appropriate
---[X] Including one set Bo Burisson, former member of our crew
-[X] Talk To Buri
--[X] The idea here is to get somewhere private and recruit him to the cause of bringing down Dorri.
--[X] Taking all reasonable, and possibly some unreasonable, precautions to prevent being overheard.
-[X] Yule Divination
--[X] Take all appropriate privacy precautions, especially about vermin like ants
--[X] Ask who knows about Dorri's deal with Drysalt (using the same list of important people in the Valley for answers)
--[X] Ask who knows the truth about what happened to the Witch (again, same list)
--[X] Ask id defeating and slaying Dorri would escalate things with Drysalt in a way that speeds up the time-table on his plans? (Drawing lots for Yes, No, Likely, Unlikely, and Uncertain)
-[X] Send off Brother Bartholomew for Wessex
--[X] Assigning Vagn Wheel-Drifter and anyone else who wants to go on a quick drop off to accompany him.
--[X] Send them along on one of the ships already headed that way this year
--[X] Offer to send Seeingsnow with them if Seeingsnow so desires.
--[X] Send a letter to Gabriel, asking Brother Bartholomew to deliver it and explaining our connection with Gabriel Blackstone, who seems likely to be a relative of his.
---[X] This letter will tell Gabriel of Steinarr's death, and request thathe help us against those who killed him, if he is willing (along with noting the rough time frame based on Drysalt's threat, and that these enemies include supernatural evil). They did deny him his own chance for revenge, after all, and our remaining family is in danger, we could use his help. That said, this is a request for help from a friend, not a demand.
-[X] [Extended] Hunt the Owl-Fire-Bear-Thing
--[X] Taking at least Abjorn, Stigmar, and Alvis with us...possibly others depending on the situation
Training:
-[X] (Training) Hamr (511 XP to rank up)
--[X] Train Sword Stepping 9xp
--[X] Train Harvesting Sense 6xp (3xp)
--[X] Train Fire Starter 6xp (3xp)
--[X] Train Brazier Bomb 6xp (3xp)
--[X] Train Ember Stoke 6xp (3xp)
-[X] (Training) Hugr (255 XP to rank up)
--[X] Train Ignition 60xp (15xp)
--[X] Train Standstill 24xp (12xp)
--[X] Train Size Up 6xp (3xp)
--[X] Train Dancing Sparks 8xp (2xp)
-[X] (Training) Fylgja (512 XP to rank up)
--[X] Train Owl-Eye Pulse 6xp
Work:
-[X] (Work Options)
--[X] Craft 7 Grand sets of Forged Iron farming tools as presents for those most in need in the Valley, customized to what we know of their needs
-[X] (Research)
--[X] Plant hashish in our soulscape, spending 3 Odr for a crop (and see how much that gets us and what effects it has)
--[X] Get Bolt Thrower results back from Sten – Free
--[X] Continue adding animals to our soulscape, focusing on making a complete ecosystem, with animals to eat the animals that graze on plants, ravens to eat corpses, and so on – Free
--[X] Continue our reciprocal Slavic/Norse studies – 2 Research
--[X] Complete our Sagaplate Nordic Armor dedicated to Odin – 1 Research
--[X] Experiment with storing things in the house in our soulscape, try and figure out how much can be stored there and if non-corporeal things like Frenzy or Odr can be stored there – 1 Research (Refunded from last turn)
--[X] See what there is to know about Alvis Torleifsson – 1 Research
--[X] See what there is to know about Trygve Ironoath – 1 Research
--[X] Try Alloying Sharpen and Firebomb Strike and see what happens (we're aiming for something to enhance Sharpen and thus Basic Attacks, but not using a Rewrite as of yet) – 1 Research
Other:
-[X] (Incidentals)
--[X] Before gaining Odr this turn infuse 128 Odr into Hamr, afterwards infuse 6 Odr into Labor, 4 Odr into combat, 2 Odr each into Smithing and Scouting, and 3 Odr each into Housecraft and Travel.
--[X] Adding Taafl Board Capacity Gains to: Asgeirr, Eyvor,
--[X] Receiving Metal from Dwarves: 24 oz Forged Iron, 6 oz Storm Iron,
-[X] (Shapeshifting Slots)
--[X] Assign new slot and all slots other than Improved Attractiveness to Reduced Sleep (for a total of 7 slots)
EDIT: Switched from specifying Work Knives to just 'farming tools' hoping the differentation helps avoid pissing people off. Added 4 more Odr to Combat.
Meanwhile, in terms of plan, here's a basic reprise of the previously voted on turn plan, in the new format, and in terms of training putting the xp into some of the new stuff available that is very good to have, mostly Hugareida. Had to ditch the crafting as the Yule Action was just a bit too big. The Research is basically unchanged, since we actually already got the results on that, so we should probably stick with it (Tafl Board gains have also been rolled already...that'll go down to 1 after next turn, due to doubled turn number).
The Focus action could easily shift to Buri (who is probably more important), but I think the party is just likely to take up more writing time, which seems to be the way that's structured?
This plan also assumes we still get a free Yule Divination. If that's incorrect we'll need to fiddle with things a bit, depending on what that costs.
So, yeah, two questions @Imperial Fister
1. Do we still get a free Yule Divination, and if not would we be able to do it with Work or what?
2. How should we assign Focus actions: The thing it's most important to get done, even if we think it'll be real short, or the thing we think should get the most word count? Is the Focus an in-character thing or us the readers making a decision about what we're interested in reading?
[X] Plan Goodbye Brother Bart v 2.0
-[X] [Focus] Yule Party
--[X] Specifically, invite a bunch of people to our Yule party with a specific focus on any women any of our huscarls say they'd like to invite (they're all single, giving them an opportunity to mingle is good)
--[X] All direct neighbors would also be invited, including Buri's family
--[X] Very publicly give our retainers the things we've made for them (weapons, armor, and arm-rings)
--[X] Give out Grand Forged Iron farming tools to those families in the valley most in need of good tools, picking members of the family other than the head if appropriate
---[X] Including one set Bo Burisson, former member of our crew
-[X] Talk To Buri
--[X] The idea here is to get somewhere private and recruit him to the cause of bringing down Dorri.
--[X] Taking all reasonable, and possibly some unreasonable, precautions to prevent being overheard.
-[X] Yule Divination
--[X] Take all appropriate privacy precautions, especially about vermin like ants
--[X] Ask who knows about Dorri's deal with Drysalt (using the same list of important people in the Valley for answers)
--[X] Ask who knows the truth about what happened to the Witch (again, same list)
--[X] Ask id defeating and slaying Dorri would escalate things with Drysalt in a way that speeds up the time-table on his plans? (Drawing lots for Yes, No, Likely, Unlikely, and Uncertain)
-[X] Send off Brother Bartholomew for Wessex
--[X] Assigning Vagn Wheel-Drifter and anyone else who wants to go on a quick drop off to accompany him.
--[X] Send them along on one of the ships already headed that way this year
--[X] Offer to send Seeingsnow with them if Seeingsnow so desires.
--[X] Send a letter to Gabriel, asking Brother Bartholomew to deliver it and explaining our connection with Gabriel Blackstone, who seems likely to be a relative of his.
---[X] This letter will tell Gabriel of Steinarr's death, and request thathe help us against those who killed him, if he is willing (along with noting the rough time frame based on Drysalt's threat, and that these enemies include supernatural evil). They did deny him his own chance for revenge, after all, and our remaining family is in danger, we could use his help. That said, this is a request for help from a friend, not a demand.
-[X] [Extended] Hunt the Owl-Fire-Bear-Thing
--[X] Taking at least Abjorn, Stigmar, and Alvis with us...possibly others depending on the situation
Training:
-[X] (Training) Hamr (511 XP to rank up)
--[X] Train Sword Stepping 9xp
--[X] Train Harvesting Sense 6xp (3xp)
--[X] Train Fire Starter 6xp (3xp)
--[X] Train Brazier Bomb 6xp (3xp)
--[X] Train Ember Stoke 6xp (3xp)
-[X] (Training) Hugr (255 XP to rank up)
--[X] Train Ignition 60xp (15xp)
--[X] Train Standstill 24xp (12xp)
--[X] Train Size Up 6xp (3xp)
--[X] Train Dancing Sparks 8xp (2xp)
-[X] (Training) Fylgja (512 XP to rank up)
--[X] Train Owl-Eye Pulse 6xp
Work:
-[X] (Work Options)
--[X] Craft 7 Grand sets of Forged Iron farming tools as presents for those most in need in the Valley, customized to what we know of their needs
-[X] (Research)
--[X] Plant hashish in our soulscape, spending 3 Odr for a crop (and see how much that gets us and what effects it has)
--[X] Get Bolt Thrower results back from Sten – Free
--[X] Continue adding animals to our soulscape, focusing on making a complete ecosystem, with animals to eat the animals that graze on plants, ravens to eat corpses, and so on – Free
--[X] Continue our reciprocal Slavic/Norse studies – 2 Research
--[X] Complete our Sagaplate Nordic Armor dedicated to Odin – 1 Research
--[X] Experiment with storing things in the house in our soulscape, try and figure out how much can be stored there and if non-corporeal things like Frenzy or Odr can be stored there – 1 Research (Refunded from last turn)
--[X] See what there is to know about Alvis Torleifsson – 1 Research
--[X] See what there is to know about Trygve Ironoath – 1 Research
--[X] Try Alloying Sharpen and Firebomb Strike and see what happens (we're aiming for something to enhance Sharpen and thus Basic Attacks, but not using a Rewrite as of yet) – 1 Research
Other:
-[X] (Incidentals)
--[X] Before gaining Odr this turn infuse 128 Odr into Hamr, afterwards infuse 6 Odr into Labor, 4 Odr into combat, 2 Odr each into Smithing and Scouting, and 3 Odr each into Housecraft and Travel.
--[X] Adding Taafl Board Capacity Gains to: Asgeirr, Eyvor,
--[X] Receiving Metal from Dwarves: 24 oz Forged Iron, 6 oz Storm Iron,
-[X] (Shapeshifting Slots)
--[X] Assign new slot and all slots other than Improved Attractiveness to Reduced Sleep (for a total of 7 slots)
EDIT: Switched from specifying Work Knives to just 'farming tools' hoping the differentation helps avoid pissing people off. Added 4 more Odr to Combat.
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With skills being such low hanging fruit for us now, wouldn't it be smart to just dump all our Odr into infusing all of those to much higher ranks? 128 odr is equivalent of getting one skill to infusion rank 7, but could also get every single one of our skills to nearly infusion rank 5.
Getting every single infusion up to rank 5 seems Good and smart.
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Well, we're gonna have a fight this turn. Going into a fight in a new system with no Odr seems like not the greatest plan, to me. A solid Odr supply can be a very big advantage under those circumstances, to say nothing of its non-combat uses. We're spending 147 out of 188 Odr this turn and going down to 41, which seems like a good place to be before a fight...we aren't gonna need more than that, but we might need a fair portion of it if the fight winds up tough enough.
The benefits of some of the Infusions are also kinda meh for the price past a certain point. The crafting ones verge on useless for Halla personally, for instance...they're still worth 3 Odr for level 2, but another 4 for another level? Eh. And I don't think Capacity alone is worth the 8 for upgrading Wordplay right now, or a fifth Calm Charge is worth 16 Odr at the moment. Scouting and Travel we're not even positive how they work yet exactly.
We definitely want to get most of them to at least 3 (all but the crafting ones...maybe even those), but going through them, I'm not sure we want to get many of them beyond that...maybe Tactics, Combat, and/or Labor? Plus Social already being there, of course.
This plan gets us to at least 2 in everything to let us test them out, and sets the stage for more later without running us out of Odr right before a fight.
EDIT: Thinking about it, 4 more Odr into Combat for Infusion 3 in that probably is worth it, so I'll add that.
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The description of Armor makes it seem more like Over-Reach style DR than the old ablative HP system is that just me seeing thing or is that intentional?
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Edited the above plan slightly to make the tools we're gifting more varied.
I think it still works the same. It says it must 'be reduced' to effect you. That sounds like ablative HP to me.
I think it still works the same. It says it must 'be reduced' to effect you. That sounds like ablative HP to me.
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I think while the smaller skill list is a good idea, it might have a negative impact on the diversity of characters in setting. Those are less than 10 skills to be good at, considering the doubling cost it's likely everyone will have good levels of them all. Which is a bit weird. Perhaps there could be some incentives to invent more in a smaller group of skills? Like synergy/skillset thng, or specializations, or the like?
a specific case of that is the combat skill, and combat rolls. I feel like uniting all combat skills to a single skill might also make it more of a straight up dice contest? And with the doubling cost and combat being a single skill, this means combat is kinda uniform among a tier, and thus dice.
a specific case of that is the combat skill, and combat rolls. I feel like uniting all combat skills to a single skill might also make it more of a straight up dice contest? And with the doubling cost and combat being a single skill, this means combat is kinda uniform among a tier, and thus dice.
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IF was talking on Discord about relevant Traits being a thing to reflect specialization, which seems like a good idea. We even have a couple that are quite relevant to specific skills and change their effects a lot (Beautiful, Friendly, and Born With A Hammer all leap to mind, though Speaking Out Of Law is also an example), so there's precedent. There being more of those going forward among NPCs seems likely and reasonable.
Combat Skill tends to get somewhat standardized, but I'm not sure that's a problem per se, and you can make up for lower combat in several different ways, potentially. Most obviously, the wrestling Tricks remove the Combat Skill from the equation entirely, but Attributes also provide bonuses that can easily prioritize them above combat skill, depending, and things like crafting can also make items that are a bigger advantage than one more die.
For instance, someone with Hamr 7, Combat 7 and a Good Forged Iron Sword is rolling 7d6+11 on Basic Attacks. If he gets another rank of Combat that goes to 8d6+11...but if he gets, say, Smithing 6 and Wordplay 6 (which is the same price as going from 7-8 in Combat) he could easily wind up making his own blade at Superior (even without Forgefire) and going to 7d6+13 as well as getting better armor and one or more Rune effects and Bone Ash stuff...and two or three Rune effects plus increased armor might well be better than the +1.5 the guy who went Combat 8 gets. Hamr 10 and it's ability to reassign shapeshifts at will is also not something 'more dice' is really comparable to, nor are Alloys or some Martial Style and Hugareida bonuses/options, and several other interesting things fall into the same category of 'things dice don't buy'.
Combat Skill is, in some ways, the most direct route to some kinds of combat power (which makes sense), but whether it's the best one is a bit harder to tell.
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Maybe I'm misreading what the crafting ones do, but combined with the Work system they seem to just naturally raise what level of gear we can make. Having 5 infused ranks in Smithing would make us always craft Grand items. Which we would then be able to make for a single work dice. 6 ranks (affordable if we focused on it) for Mastercraft guaranteed? That seems worthwhile. I'm not sure how they're Useless at all. For 7 total infusions (would take a whole turn of Odr next turn but possible) we could mass produce Wondrous items. That's an insane benefit, unless I'm somehow reading the minimum quality bonus completely incorrectly.
Labor is straight up more Work Dice in a system where we have much fewer work dice than before, which makes it huge on its own. Combined with the above, 5 labor and 7 smithing would let us make 5 wondrous swords a turn without touching our work die pool. That's insane. It also makes us able to justify the 9 work die cost for Experiences more easily.
Scouting and Tactics seem self evidently useful; additional insight improves our ability to plan. We like to fight smart, so they seem like natural places to focus on improving. Taking Tactics up to like infusion 6 this turn could be potentially more combat useful than one more Hamr, if we are going into battle.