We need something that has a conceptual oomph relevant against Stasis/Stagnation/Stagnant. That should be enough to start work on it.
Either that or start working on the mind whammy parts of Seidr.
Yeah, I guess we should decide what kind of analogy we want to go with, and focus on turning that into a powerful enough technique. If Blackhand's version of the Primordial Flame was Ilmarinen's Fire, then for Halla, perhaps it's the Rising Son? The light in the void, the engine of creation, life, and hope, banishing darkness? It would fit with her kennings.
Mind-whammy Seidr and spiritual combat in general is definitely worth trying. I am a bit less confident about that then when I first proposed the idea ages ago back when we were fighting Steinarr, though. Back then I was not aware that all Steelfathers are Odr cultivators. The defences in their souls are likely more formidable than ours right now, so it would take quite a lot to break through. By no means impossible with enough work though.
In terms of other sideways solutions, one idea I came up with was experimenting with seeing if we can leave an object trapped within the Stopped Time when we use Time Stands Still. It would probably require us to have unlocked the core Style first to gain enough control, and maybe use a Rewrite, but if it's possible at all... That's one way of sidestepping the issue of invulnerability all together. Also kind of an ironic way to deal with someone whose power is about using stagnation to extend their life - we will give them eternal life, trapped in one endless not-instant, until the end of Time itself.
I mean, I wouldn't say many people. Im not even sure who can do it, beside Blackhand and other Steelfathers. not saying we can't or shouldn't find a way, but its not exactly a common ability.
in a way, Blackhand already greatly changed steel's stasis. killing the steelfathers he did explicitly shifted balance of power in the norselands
That's a fair point, not "many", although certainly Blackhand, Irornjaw, and the top-tier heavy hitters of other cultures seem to be able to do it. They're probably not using the same methods, and some may be methods may be more complete at refuting Steel than others.
I'm not convinced that we really are on the same page with that.
Those strides could just as well be towards establishing just another cult. To keep it among friends to grow stronger as just another main character with flashy battles.
Well, I'm definitely on Team Spread Progress, and I know that other players including Shard, Deadman, and Alectai are as well, as well as yourself. So it's never good to count the votes before they've landed, but personally I feel pretty good about our chances.
Not many.
And its probably higher cultivation levels using extreme levels of dakka or having a part of the weapon.
Essentially, yeah - what I'm talking about is looking for leads on figuring on what dakka to use and how we start a very slow process of research to get there. To be clear, I don't disagree with anything else you're saying.
