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Well we can launch a Silver Cross aid operation and use that to sneakily recruit them.
May The Invisible Hand Be With You - (Star Wars CK2-Style Quest)
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Why would we need to be sneaky? Go save the warrior race, gain their undying loyalty. It's a thing that we regularly do. Hell, we publicly hang out with Grievous and Jango and half the security on the Silver Cross is either Mandalorians or Kaleesh. I'm half expecting this to be some kind of Palpatine trap because really it's exactly the kind of thing Ciaran does and she's never made any attempt to hide it.
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- Middle Europe
even if it is trap, it would hurt our PR if we won't help them
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- Leeds
What if they introduce another thing like Mortis, which fundamentally changes the nature of the force as we understand it?
We NEED to steal both of them as soon as possible.
We have dealt with so much bioweapons that this should be a Tuesday for us right?
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- Middle Europe
if it will become an standard, both CIS and Republic will stop building named important ships, because as soon as they do, we steal it
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- Arizona
Well, I can think of a few likely targets for Trench.
1. Taris: We've put considerable effort and resources into rebuilding Taris, a world once devastated by the Sith. There is a lot of symbolism in bombarding the planet once more now that it's risen.
2. Khaleesh: While Mandalore may be the heart of the CNS, Khaleesh is the heart of Abysswalkers. Not only is it Grevious' home, but it's our first obvious great success and a place where the population outright revere us. It's also a place where Palpatine's plans were twisted awry, meaning he might take our meddling there personally.
3. Naboo: At this point in the war a terror attack on Naboo would almost be cliche. However, it could drum up some more sympathy for Palpatine, threaten Padme, and damage a populace that reveres us... But that would just draw in our humanitarian organization and redouble their worship for us so...
4. Mandalore: Unlikely, but it is the heart of the CNS. Perhaps they feel a surprise attack with make all the difference?
We should also be ready in case Trench coordinates his attack with the Malevolence. Having both off-the-radar at the same time is one hell of a coincidence. Especially if it allows the Republic's new dreadnaught to arrive late and give a whole 'well we could have helped you earlier, if only you were still in the war on our side. But you didn't want us around...'
1. Taris: We've put considerable effort and resources into rebuilding Taris, a world once devastated by the Sith. There is a lot of symbolism in bombarding the planet once more now that it's risen.
2. Khaleesh: While Mandalore may be the heart of the CNS, Khaleesh is the heart of Abysswalkers. Not only is it Grevious' home, but it's our first obvious great success and a place where the population outright revere us. It's also a place where Palpatine's plans were twisted awry, meaning he might take our meddling there personally.
3. Naboo: At this point in the war a terror attack on Naboo would almost be cliche. However, it could drum up some more sympathy for Palpatine, threaten Padme, and damage a populace that reveres us... But that would just draw in our humanitarian organization and redouble their worship for us so...
4. Mandalore: Unlikely, but it is the heart of the CNS. Perhaps they feel a surprise attack with make all the difference?
We should also be ready in case Trench coordinates his attack with the Malevolence. Having both off-the-radar at the same time is one hell of a coincidence. Especially if it allows the Republic's new dreadnaught to arrive late and give a whole 'well we could have helped you earlier, if only you were still in the war on our side. But you didn't want us around...'
So this is the mysterious superweapon the Republic has been working on since Turn 24:
As for the details... it looks like 'Pride of the Core' comes from the Republic at War mod of Star Wars: Empire at War. Here's the article on SW Fanon wiki. It's based on the (canon) Mandator II-class Star Dreadnaught, found here, though the official one is 'only' 8,000 meters long (rather than the fanon vessel's 19,000 meter length). Either way, it's a big hulking ship.
Clearly, we must steal it.
Ciaran's mental breakdown aside (which cracked me up), my instinctive reaction was more along the lines of 'yeeessss.' Because now we finally get to recruit the badass bodyguards, and look good doing it.
Remember this omake? Let's make sure to assign Grievous to the Honoghr action, so it has a chance to become canon.
Hmm. Let's make sure we keep Galen out of the public eye. @Dr. Snark, any chance he'd been willing to work from the Foundry alongside Cheriss, or from the Kiln, or from La'Sombra, or one of our other private labs? (Or would that require purchasing a upgrade at one of those bases?)
It is as I had forseen.
We still can. We are in a perfect position to gain the allegiance of perhaps the most naturally talented commandos in the galaxy. Send in the Silver Cross!
Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuuuuck. A Mandator? Seriously. Well played, @Dr. Snark, well played.
(For those who don't know, the Mandator II-class Star Dreadnaught is the closest thing in this time period to a Super Star Destroyer. The spiritual predecessor to designs like the Executor and Eclipse, it is a full 8km in length, and according to the wiki it can defeat over a thousand CIS Recusant-class light star Destroyers. Which is stupid, and a piece of lore I hope Dr. Snark isn't going with, but it is still a ludicrously powerful threat. And is going to be searching for another superweapon, quite possibly in our backyard.)
So basically, Palpatine is doing three things here: first, by unleashing a bioweapon on hapless primitives, the people of the republic are reminded how Eeeevil the CIS are. Second, by forcei the Malevolence to hide in our space and the pursuing it, he shows our neutrality is worthless, as we cannot enforce our borders. Finally, Admral Trench is almost certainly preparing a terror attack against one of our worlds, to showcase that the CNS cannot protect it's members.
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Given our organization, I'm tempted to just figure out a way to steal both of the superweapons this turn, just to see the looks on their faces.
Even so, the threat to Neutral Space is real. We have plenty of defenses around Taris (though we can always build more), but Trench might decide to target anywhere.
Looking at the front page, here's the list of our bases that might be in Trench's crosshairs:
So I'd say the most likely threats are against Naboo, Taris, Kashyyyk and Muunilist (in that order), along with second-tier targets like Mandalore, Corellia, Kalee, and Ord Mantell.
@Dr. Snark: can we add a few more write-ins, of the 'System Defenses' and 'Planetary Shield' variety, to these planets? (Specifically, I was thinking we could do the Naboo Planetary Shield as an expansion of the Plasma Refinery -- all that energetic plasma, drawn from the planet's core, right next to Naboo's major cities? Use the refinery as a 'backup generator' to fuel the shield, and it'll never run dry!) Heck, we could use the Plasma Refinery as a fuel source for Taris's planetary shield, assuming we stockpile enough.
So, I'm assuming Admiral Trench is commanding the Malevolence, and that whatever CNS world he attacks will be the site of a knock-down drag-out battle between it and the Pride of the Core? Sounds fun. (Also sounds like a lot of salvage to be had).
Given our organization, I'm tempted to just figure out a way to steal both of the superweapons this turn, just to see the looks on their faces.
Even so, the threat to Neutral Space is real. We have plenty of defenses around Taris (though we can always build more), but Trench might decide to target anywhere.
Looking at the front page, here's the list of our bases that might be in Trench's crosshairs:
- Coruscant (~1500 income). No danger -- way too well defended, and Palpatine wouldn't risk his own personal safety unless he's ready to pull the trigger on Order 66, which he isn't.
- Cato Neimoidia. No danger -- still a member of the CIS, and not a viable target for anti-Neutral action.
- Naboo (~750 income). Serious danger -- poorly defended, a major blemish on Palpatine's reputation (his own homeworld repudiated his leadership!), and one of the signature members of the CNS. Also, near and dear to Padme's heart, which means Anakin will turn into a giant green rage monster... or at least, take a few steps closer to falling to the dark side. Also very close to Admiral Trench's homeworld, so there may be bad blood between Naboo and the Harch. This strikes me as the most plausible target.
- Castell. No danger -- still a member of the CIS, even if we're on the verge of launching a coup.
- Dantooine. Minimal danger -- it's a Neutral planet, but a minor one on the edge of nowhere, and our presence there is negligible.
- Kashyyyk (~650 income). Serious danger -- we just installed systemwide defenses, but those are designed to counter Trandosshan slavers, not CIS superweapons. Plus, Palpatine wants the Wookies ground underfoot so he can use them for slave labor, which means he wants to undercut our 'uplift' and support as much as possible.
- Kalee (~1000 income). Some danger -- despite its location, it's a highly visible planet that's the site of one of Ciaran's earliest triumphs as a galactic humanitarian. Plus, Grievous is one of our known associates, so targeting him means removing one of our supporters. The heavier the damage, the more the Kalee may retreat from the galaxy, which might have a secondary effect on Muunilist.
- Kiln. No danger -- no one knows about it.
- Mandalore. Some danger -- it was the earliest 'capital' of Neutral Space, and one of our greatest success stories, to turn the feared Mandalorian Guardians into a household name for noble protectors. Plus, now we've expanded the Guardians to a galactic-level organization, so an attack on Mandalore would have ripple effects on every other world.
- Nar Shaddaa (~700 income). No danger -- neither Admiral Trench nor Palpatine is crazy enough to draw the Hutts into the firing line.
- Muunilist (~1500 income). Serious danger -- Muunilist was formerly a Separatist stronghold before we swept in and brought the IGBC into our orbit. Admiral Trench might have revenge on the mind, or at least retaliation for defecting from the CIS. Plus it's one of our economic centers, and fairly loosely defended at that.
- Taris (~5000 income). Serious danger -- Taris is undeniably the center of Neutral Space and the heart of the Abyss Watcher organization. Whatever our efforts to fortify the planet, Admiral Trench may easily believe the Malevolence capable of taking those defenses head-on. On the other hand, Taris is surrounded by friendly systems, so we should get sufficient warning (and ample reinforcements) if this is his target. (That's not the case for Naboo or some of the others). Still, we should reinforce the defenses, just in case.
- Ord Mantell. Some danger -- we're slowly turning it into a garrison world, the citadel to defend the northern Outer Rim in case of attack. That said, we haven't done much with it, so our presence on the planet is still fairly minimal. We may want to reinforce it this turn, though.
- Corellia. Some danger. As well-defended as Corellia no doubt it, they are one of the biggest supporters of neutrality, and one of the biggest opponent's of Palpatine's rule. Trench is clever, and may be able to find a vulnerability. (This attack may be the start of this world's version of Grievous's march through the Core, that destroyed Humbarine and resulted in the Battle of Coruscant).
- Sullust. No danger -- still a member of the CIS.
- Arkania, Tibannopolis, Lorrd, Yavin, Mustafar. Minimal danger -- our presence is still minimal, and they don't have the galactic reputation to have the desired impact.
- Thyferra. Some danger -- while our presence may be minimal, Thyferra is the center of bacta production in the galaxy, which makes it a prime target for anyone looking to remove the Republic's force-multipliers in the war. On the other hand, its support is still 'under the table', so it's not clear that Trench would see this as a Neutral-aligned target.
So I'd say the most likely threats are against Naboo, Taris, Kashyyyk and Muunilist (in that order), along with second-tier targets like Mandalore, Corellia, Kalee, and Ord Mantell.
@Dr. Snark: can we add a few more write-ins, of the 'System Defenses' and 'Planetary Shield' variety, to these planets? (Specifically, I was thinking we could do the Naboo Planetary Shield as an expansion of the Plasma Refinery -- all that energetic plasma, drawn from the planet's core, right next to Naboo's major cities? Use the refinery as a 'backup generator' to fuel the shield, and it'll never run dry!) Heck, we could use the Plasma Refinery as a fuel source for Taris's planetary shield, assuming we stockpile enough.
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Bioweapons are also really bad weapons.
They are indiscriminate and quickly evolve to just being normal diseases (and thus much less lethal or debilitating than you want from a weapon).
fasquardon
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- Middle Europe
lets steal both those ships and make some fake debries in stupidly big asteroid field.
My own view is that the beings on Mortis weren't quite what they claimed/thought they were and that actually no-one in the Star Wars galaxy really understands the Force.
fasquardon
Master Basher
hYPER Demon
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Or in other news... WE are the new events. That, plus "Wesker's Legacy" means we'll be going through the bane, known as what I'd like to call, the "Resident Evil Veteran" syndrome.
Or in laymen terms, how long until we have to deal/contend with MORE Megalomaniac Bio-Weapon Scientists, or Palpatine adding a 'touch' of Sith Alchemy for it. Or worst case scenario~, those Bio-Weapons being refined until we're up against a Pillar Man Sidious (like normal Sidious, except he's buffed with an Insidious amount of augmentation/bio-weapon 'uplifting'... And his 'human form' has a lot more ginger to it.)
There is actually a fair bit of evidenced that Palpatine is going into Endgame mode himself at this point, though it's early in the endgame at this point and lacks the Doku involvement if this was the final push. And he Did launch an attack on Coruscant in cannon. as a bid/plan to have the CIS capture him and ramp up the preasure on the senate to grant him more power. corrupting anikin a bit more was just a planned bonus. Jedi ousting him later was also unexpected, though planned for.
I would say the risk of the attack being Coruscant would be Low danger, rather then No danger. Unlikely, but possible.
VicSage
Not Crazy
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- Czechoslovakia
When I read the Malevolance was doing stuff, I was questioning myself trying to figure out if I had gone crazy. It turns out I had not, I had just forgotten we stole the OTHER shipborne superweapon. Because of course they bought it at a buy 1 get 1 free sale.
But yeah, Palpatine's love of bioweapons is unsettling. Planetkillers suck, but they're limited. Bioweapons will kill everything if not contained immediately, it seems like such a bad plan.
But yeah, Palpatine's love of bioweapons is unsettling. Planetkillers suck, but they're limited. Bioweapons will kill everything if not contained immediately, it seems like such a bad plan.
Matching outfits, duh.
Weeeellllll-
. . . That's pretty much what I was going to say, only it had more to do with someone turning out to have had a long running plan that would have started before something we did could have derailed it enough to not matter.
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I'd argue against the threat assessments made above. While most of them are accurate, some of them might underestimate Palpatine's resources. We do not know if he has anything planned for the Hutts, the Corruscant attack has not happened in this canon, which means something more drastic might happen to replace it, and most importantly, we can not be completely sure that his allies have no way to find Killn. Kicking up the Hutts in the right way may create new problems, especially since their trade routes are one of the ways in which the watchers circumvented the war penalty (remember that one?). The Killn would be an especially good target for a counter-attack if they found it, since the public doesn't know about it, so they can bomb it without caring about PR.
Another potential danger would be Palps attempting to bait the watchers into revealing the scope of their operations. I'm just saying, some future operations might have traps in them. It would be horrifyingly effective for Palps to uncover the Abyss watchers and just paint them as another enemy of the republic.
All I'm saying is: Let's not underestimate the Sith Lord. The organisation is pretty vulnerable to direct attacks, especially on the scale that might be incoming right now.
Another potential danger would be Palps attempting to bait the watchers into revealing the scope of their operations. I'm just saying, some future operations might have traps in them. It would be horrifyingly effective for Palps to uncover the Abyss watchers and just paint them as another enemy of the republic.
All I'm saying is: Let's not underestimate the Sith Lord. The organisation is pretty vulnerable to direct attacks, especially on the scale that might be incoming right now.
Barondoctor
The things I chase come to me.
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Big ships tend to be set up to do big things, so the best way to hit them is a small thing.
Silencer the "clone trooper" on board the Mandator, grievous aboard the malevolence, see who can steal their ship the fastest?
We need a beacon , something they'd run toward.
Hmmm...
Also, side note, I'm thinking about what I want to do for Riphath season 3. Season 1 concluded with becoming a walker; season 2 concluded with him coming back from the dead, stronger in the Force and more immersed in it. I'm open to ideas, but I'm thinking season 3 is either "back to basics, learn to be the diplomat you've become " or "remember how you could call for power and get no response from the dark side? Now that you're worth its time, it answers now. "
Silencer the "clone trooper" on board the Mandator, grievous aboard the malevolence, see who can steal their ship the fastest?
We need a beacon , something they'd run toward.
Hmmm...
Also, side note, I'm thinking about what I want to do for Riphath season 3. Season 1 concluded with becoming a walker; season 2 concluded with him coming back from the dead, stronger in the Force and more immersed in it. I'm open to ideas, but I'm thinking season 3 is either "back to basics, learn to be the diplomat you've become " or "remember how you could call for power and get no response from the dark side? Now that you're worth its time, it answers now. "
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Or we could just have an Abysswalker Strike Force insert in a rapid deployment, capture the bridge and pull an R2-D2 (whoever controls the doors, controls space).
Aramis
An unwilling witness
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- Who cares?
Ah, the FTL standard protocol. Good taste.
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- Middle of Nowhere
Thousands? Are just talking about those seeing it in per person? The holofeeds must be placing it into the millions at least.
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I think you're drastically underestimating the danger of targeting Mandalore. When we first started getting the mandalorians involved int the CNS, Palpatine started planning on the assumption that the CNS would turn into a new crusade and there would be another military faction added to the war. He was pissed and suprised when we kept them peaceful. Looked at from a certain perspective, the attack on Mandalore by Maul could have been Palpatine trying to force the planet into the war. From that perspective, it would make a lot of sense to have a fleet raze Mandalore - there would be zero possibility of the survivors planetside and any guardians we've exported to remain peaceful. It would galvanize the Mandalorians into becoming the crusade he though he was going to get.
Not to say it's the only - or even best - target. It's just definitely up there in the "serious danger" category instead of the "some danger" one.