Much, much, much earlier on, she had a lightsaber with a blaster built into it, Asajj's reactions to it during their spars was a hilarious thing. Not sure where it is now since she finished building her personal lightsaber.
May The Invisible Hand Be With You - (Star Wars CK2-Style Quest)
- Thread starter Dr. Snark
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No, she just carries a hold out blaster. Or three hold out blasters. Who's counting?
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She did? Thats news to me!
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she didnt, it was just a hidden blaster.
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I was being sarcastic. After all, I was the one who WROTE that!
Really? Crap, that means that I got my wires crossed again....huh, now which quest had that item again?
Maaaaaaan, this is gonna bother me now.
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I was going to say something but I think most of it was covered in the responses already. The main thing that I want to respond to that wasn't covered fully is that they would consider her a Sith lord.
The response was they wouldn't be able to tell that she is a dark sider. I am on that side because she just fought against Obi won in her normal style and he didn't consider her a danger. However even if she drops buried presence they still wouldn't consider her a Sith lord for three reasons first because
The only way she could be a Sith at all is if they had found out that Dooku was being darth Tyrannus and they knew that she was being taught by him which would make her a sith apprentice and not a sith lord.
The response was they wouldn't be able to tell that she is a dark sider. I am on that side because she just fought against Obi won in her normal style and he didn't consider her a danger. However even if she drops buried presence they still wouldn't consider her a Sith lord for three reasons first because
The Sith are a specific tradition that goes back thousands of years with the sole goal of destroying the jedi and she just saved them. Second
they just fought a true sith lord and to be frank she isn't strong enough to match him. Third the reason why she was given the title of Traya was because her force presence showed that she was using the dark side in a way that neither side could imagine by being a calm darkness. The only way she could be a Sith at all is if they had found out that Dooku was being darth Tyrannus and they knew that she was being taught by him which would make her a sith apprentice and not a sith lord.
Varder
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I don't really understand how Ciaran's force abilities can paint her as a Sith Lord... Sith Lady?
She uses 2 lightsaber forms - 2 and 3, from the jedi classification. She uses several force practises that are not native for Siths - Miraluka, Blazing chains, etc.
There's nothing like force lightning that is a Sith ability or even force choking.
She uses 2 lightsaber forms - 2 and 3, from the jedi classification. She uses several force practises that are not native for Siths - Miraluka, Blazing chains, etc.
There's nothing like force lightning that is a Sith ability or even force choking.
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Force choke is just use of telekinesis, nothing inherently sith about it, just mindset that you need to calmly watch somebody choking
You, um, kind cut off the 'by their fighting styles' bit that was the entire point of post, did you stop reading at that point or something?
For example, after facing Maul, the first officially observed Sith in a thousand years, the Jedi picked him out immediately, not a strong Dark Side user but an actual Sith.
I wasn't talking about them detecting Ciaran or others whilst being sneaky, that would be silly.
Additionally, Ciaran learned how to actively manipulate the Force from Vectivus' Holocron, the very foundation of her relationship with the Force is based on Sith teachings.
Vectivus has a less immersive approach to the Force and controls it's drawing on the Dark Side but when Ciaran is fighting Palpatine she's going to be broadcasting her mastery of the Dark Side.
As well, you don't need to be throwing around lightning or the like to be using the Dark Side.
It's all about how the Force is approached and worked with.
So yeah, I don't think it would be possible to hide her knowledge of Sith Arts during the fight.
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She has force choked someone before. Remember Wesker?
Also, she's a Sith. If she ever relaxed her control completely, they could probably tell just by how her presence feels.
Unfortunately, several people in the thread are convinced that she's not a sith, or even a darksider, because..... Semantics? I'm honestly not sure. It's not easy to follow their arguments.
Don't forget the Coveert Ops Trooper from Justice For All. Heck, that one is arguably more telling, since (if I remember correctly), Ciaran was pretty angry at Wesker, whereas she was downright casual with the Covert Ops Trooper.
Max Uristwell
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It's Lord. 'Lord' is considered a gender-neutral title in the Sith Order.
Really it's just the Basic translation of Darth anyway.
Well even if they don't see her as a Sith, there's still a large portion of the Jedi High Council that views Ciaran as 'up to something nebulous' and thinks she can't be trusted. Even if she doesn't display any Dark Side abilities, as a powerful Force User Ciaran technically falls within their jurisdiction as THE Force Organisation of the Galactic Republic.
They can afford to ignore Jedi splinter sects and other force groups because they tend to either stick to the Outer Rim or isolate themselves from Galactic Society. Ciaran on the other hand is consorting with Dark Siders and training her own Force Users, let's face it even without the title she can be seen as a the next 'big threat' to the Jedi Order as they know it.
They can afford to ignore Jedi splinter sects and other force groups because they tend to either stick to the Outer Rim or isolate themselves from Galactic Society. Ciaran on the other hand is consorting with Dark Siders and training her own Force Users, let's face it even without the title she can be seen as a the next 'big threat' to the Jedi Order as they know it.
Max Uristwell
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Not at all, otherwise there'd be no change in title once a certain point was reached (see all the various Lords being promoted to Darths in the Old Republic games like Zash, who also illustrates that Lord is applied to female as well as male Sith). Lord and Darth became conflated over the centuries once the Baneite order came into force and there was no need to be that specific anymore, but they do actually occupy separate strata within any of the more traditional Sith hierarchies.
Actually she learned to manipulate the force through the holocron of a chiss that was studying the various force traditions and then got the advisor from the blazing chains pirates. Vectivus came after she had gained an understanding of the force and taught economics and philosophy.
As for picking out Maul because of his combat style that wouldn't effect Ciaran because Ciaran didn't learn combat from Vectivus as he doesn't fight.
As for her force presence Buried presence is at a point where she has to concentrate to release it. Letting them see her dark side aura would need to be a choice that she makes that weakens her fighting ability's.
No we're saying that even if they felt her presence she wouldn't be considered a Sith lord she would be considered a dark sider because sith is a specific group that follow the philosophy of two and have the goal kill all Jedi. Shile she just killed the sith lord who was about to achieve their goal. A sith with her knowledge would nuke the planet from orbit after order 66 to kill him and step into a world without the Jedi.
More then that the reason why she was named Traya is that she showed a truth in the force that Jedi can not accept aka the dark side can do good which is the complete opposite of all they know about the sith.
Varder
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Your arguments are inconsistent.
First you say that the fact that she learned from Vectivus doesn't make her Sith because he wasn't her first teacher. Even if learning from Sith is usually a sign of another Sith.
Then you claim that Vectivus isn't a Sith. Then why did you bother with the first argument?
Done; the three Index posts are updated. Thanks for your work on this!
@Dr. Snark, I realized you'd previously issued a verdict on the Corellian Jedi:
I assume you already have an idea for what the Lore action should be, but here's my proposed write-in for the Corellia base upgrade:
Let me know if that works or if you were looking for something else.
Also, you vetoed the 'Research Complex' upgrade for the Chu'unthor because it's still a secret installation that (technically) belongs to the Jedi Order. That's a fair point. I was wondering, though, if we could still set up a clinic/lab for Karada personnel -- we own the corporation, so it should be possible to select only the most trustworthy and discreet doctors, to bring them on board:
Let me know what you think.
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Everyone's still stuck on the Banite Sith being the only one. She's honestly way closer to what they were under Vitiate than anywhere near Bane's breed.
It might be an unpopular opinion around here, but I don't think she's following Kriea's legacy at all and what she's building is just another bastardized flavor of the Sith of yore, except this time it's based on Vectivus' teachings.
Sinsystems
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So one thing that I think would be a good idea to have are Emergency corpse doubles aka Cloned Bodies to be used when you need to fake your death. Just as an emergency precaution, plus if the enemy catches on it will cause some delicious paranoia.