Lights... Camera... ACTION!!: A Hollywood Quest

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT
Hi Magoose here one of the guys helping Duke.

So we have some bad news.

The quest has been canceled as duke does not want to write it anymore.

I'm going to ask if I can take over for it, because I like this quest, and it would be a shame to kill it
TBF, Mags, you have been doing a lot of the heavylifting for the quest, so this will be in good hands. :)

To be clear to everyone, this is just me burning out on imagination of the quest, since my muse has been hitting me over the head a lot with so many different ideas that I just can't find myself too interested in this.

I'll still hang out here, though, since this still does have a sepcial place in my heart.

I'd like to thank you all for making this a wonderful experience while it lasted.

I'd also like to thank @Magoose, @Fluffy_serpent, and @Martin Noctis for doing so much to help prepare and write this quest. I couldn't have done it without you all. :D

I'll see you all around.

With so many regards, Duke William Of.
 
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So... we changing the Ewoks or simply making the battle against the stormtroopers less of a joke? That's part of why I like Return of the Jedi the least of the original trilogy.
 
So... we changing the Ewoks or simply making the battle against the stormtroopers less of a joke? That's part of why I like Return of the Jedi the least of the original trilogy.
I'd be down for it, though I also want my other ideas about the final battle (I.E. being in Coruscant...which is a Lava Planet...with 2 Death Stars).

As for the Ewoks...well, how exactly do you want to change them? I've heard some arguments in thread about making them Wookies, though I think that is a bit of a waste. Perhaps we could make them lizard like people? Or perhaps Lemur-Like beings? Perhaps we could also make it so that the term "Ewok" refers to a nomadic group of people that is comprised of different races.
 
How many years do we have to wait before having the guy that allow us to have ashoka ?
 
Alright, for the Gold Bikini I say we let Carrie decide. In the end, it's her role and I don't think the scene works without it, so better we learn of her preference now rather than later.

For the final battle, I think it would be good, and we did promise when we began that we would ramp them up. I would like to sugges however that perhaps we can make it so that the Space Battle does not happen only in the confrontation with the Emperor and the Death Star, but instead it's part of a coordinated attack on different fronts and planets. It would also justify why in the Special Editions there are so many different shots of planets celebrating the downfall of the Empire; it would instead be the celebration of defeating and liberating the planets they had just fought for.
Oh I like this. Maybe we can put so refrence to the clone wars in the battle cries of people fighting like someone with clearly stolen imperial armour painted in rebelion colors screaming "We are not expendable!"
As for what we should work for; I think we should work on where the final battle and confrontation would take place; personally, I think having the Death Star be on a no-name planet with moons might work for the past Star Wars, but this is the new Star Warsm, where we want to go bigger and greater.

So, hear me out here...Coruscant.

We have the final battle in the Empire's Capital, which instead of being an Ecumenopolis, it's a lava planet, with volcanos, where the Emperor has set his court. We can then have Luke and Vader fight with the lava and volcanos as background, perhaps even facing each other amongst lava pits that dot the palace.

And instead of one Death Star, let's have two!!

...Yes, i like the Henson Thread's version of RotJ.

Don't judge me!
I agree that death star should not be on a no name planet and final duel should be made more epic but I disagree with this way of doing stuff.

I think we should put a fight in the crystal caverns that kyber crystals are mined it, made the look bloody red with only those directly touched by look briefly changing back to normal.

We show off some minning equipment preparing crystal core for the death.

Luke being confused about it only for Emperor to explain history of this place of how jedi held it sacred but he made it "better".

As for fight itself I think that we should make a propare fight out of it, and I do not mean vader fighting luke that fight is good.

I mean Luke and Anakin vs palpatine.
We can forshadow it by Vader bracing against the crystal which left a handprint of changed color which quickly grew to overtake it and turn normal.

We go full in on Emperor being foul sorcerer who uses mostly force powers, and our dynamic duo cutting through it, using the enviorment against Emperor.
Until he uses extremely powerful lighting attack and Anakin uses the force to hide Luke behind him protecting his son and having most of the Vader armour go boom, he looks beaten but by the force of will he moves his broken body and switches to the diffrent lightsaber form.

To make it shorter Anakin will use force to move his broken body as a puppet, he and Luke will do some crazy combo moves and Emperor will be forces into melee, he will do some lightsaber tricks but still fall when Anakin makes a sarificial move to bait him (maybe he lets him stab him, but he grabs Emperor's right arm, you know for symbolism) and Luke finishes him off.

Cue cave starting to collapse but turning in full to lightside colours.
 
So... we changing the Ewoks or simply making the battle against the stormtroopers less of a joke? That's part of why I like Return of the Jedi the least of the original trilogy.

Carrie agency = Yes

My take?

As the rebel alliance is attacking entrenched positions held by the empire have a SMALL storm trooper presence and the rest of the roles filled out with Imperial army troopers and similar like they did with Andor. Emphasise contempt and overconfidance among those troops.
Hove those non elite loose to similar number of rebel fightersand show how dangerous each storm trooper is as they kill several times there numbers and require heavy weapons cunning or a hero unit to defeat.

The porblem is the Local popuation. i have difficualty taking stone age half hight teddybears seriosly as a danger. It can be done but would need to be somewhatt simlar to Roger E. Moore's "Tuckers Kobolds" and that takes story time. A Wookie is a more immidate imposing threat and can still be made into a doll.

As for Wookies/ Ewoks CGI is not there yet so tall People and costumes? Peter's constume appartly took a very long time to make but if that cn be overcome, maby Jim Henson knws a trick or two, How many basketballers do you think Carrie Knows?

If we take Ewok as a nomadic people, Reaching out to the HEMA Commuity Might get us peole who can play Primitive seeming Individuals with both fighting skill and intersting Scars that can turn into back stories. Have them be lost remants or shipwrecked and opressed if Endor is an isolated trap or an Opressed underlasss on Coruscant or even the original Sith if Mustafar is the Capital.

How many years do we have to wait before having the guy that allow us to have ashoka ?

Dave Filloni was born in 1974 so a little while yet.
 
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I'm judging you. :mad:

In all seriousness, the only thing you suggested that I actually dislike is making Coruscant a lava planet(+maybe the 2 death stars as well, I haven't actually sorted my feelings and thoughts on that). Korriban a galactic imperial capital does not make.

Separate note, I don't understand what people's obsession is with trying to change the Ewoks or turn them into Wookies. It's fucking endemic in the Star Wars fandom, holy shit. The Ewoks are fine, just make a couple of adjustments so that their success is more plausible and then be done with it.

As another matter, Bruce is both wildly out of line as well as flipping out over a frankly idiotic concern. The Slave Leia bikini was obviously intended to be titillating, I don't think anyone would really deny that, but it's... not really? The bikini frankly looks like shit and Carrie just showing off more skin is doing most of the work there, not to mention everything else that's going on in those scenes to distract from it. The more important matter though is that it's a bikini, which means that it doesn't show any more skin than the bathing suit. It's stupid as hell that Bruce is blowing up about "what will my children think," when it's the same amount of skin she'd show off at the damn beach or a pool(speaking of, does Bruce have a pool? I don't actually recall). The sexual tones are going to be grasped and understood by the adults, grasped but not likely to be widely/fully understood by the older kids(it's the 80s, not post 2000s. Porn access isn't anywhere near as prevalent and most of it accessible is not as titillating), and neither grasped nor understood by the younger kids. Bruce really showing off a puritanical streak.
Dave Filloni was born in 1974 so a little while yet.
He's almost certainly a Star Wars fan already in universe, so if someone wanted to, they could make an Omake of him sending in a fan letter about Ashoka as a character idea. That or we could just straight up create her early if we wanted to make use of her earlier.
 
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That or we could just straight up create her early if we wanted to make use of her earlier.
Actually, An interesting idea would be to include her in the Movie as an agent or a general or something in the Rebel army, without showing her being a force user, and present her as a former comrade of Anakin, maybe have her give a couple words of wisdom to tell Luke that affirms his belief that his father can be redeemed.

Introduce the concept of the character, but leave the actual development for the prequels, or something.
 
Actually, An interesting idea would be to include her in the Movie as an agent or a general or something in the Rebel army, without showing her being a force user, and present her as a former comrade of Anakin, maybe have her give a couple words of wisdom to tell Luke that affirms his belief that his father can be redeemed.

Introduce the concept of the character, but leave the actual development for the prequels, or something.
Eh, I actually really like that moment in Rebels between her and Anakin, and her surviving past that kind of undermines the emotional impact of that whole scene, so I personally wouldn't go for that, but it's not a bad idea in and of itself.
 
Eh, I actually really like that moment in Rebels between her and Anakin, and her surviving past that kind of undermines the emotional impact of that whole scene, so I personally wouldn't go for that, but it's not a bad idea in and of itself.
I kinda agree with you here. Ahsoka's final confrontation with Vader was both poignant and badass. That they ruined it by bringing her back to life is just one of many (many, many, many) reasons why I dislike Rebels (Ezra is the main one).

So, I don't think we should introduce her just yet, though perhaps name dropping her at some point there might work. Though even there I'm not that sure if we want to try it.
I'm judging you. :mad:

In all seriousness, the only thing you suggested that I actually dislike is making Coruscant a lava planet(+maybe the 2 death stars as well, I haven't actually sorted my feelings and thoughts on that). Korriban a galactic imperial capital does not make.
But it shows that whole "Evil Overlord" aesthetic that portrays the Emperor as a truly Evil and heinous villain! And don't tell me it would not be awesome to see Luke and Vader fighting with a lava backdrop as volcanos erupt.

I can compromise with the Death Stars. How about...1 Death Star completed, but only Half a Death Star in the middle of construction?
Separate note, I don't understand what people's obsession is with trying to change the Ewoks or turn them into Wookies. It's fucking endemic in the Star Wars fandom, holy shit. The Ewoks are fine, just make a couple of adjustments so that their success is more plausible and then be done with it.
I just don't see how to make it without it seeming ridiculous. The Ewoks are fun, but they don't fit as the ones who will rescue the Rebel Alliance.

A compromise I proposed is that the term Ewok refers to a conglomeration of different races who work together as they try to hide from the Empire. This allows us to show the OTL Ewoks as members of said group, and different other races that can make for more believable rescuers.
There we can add some funny scenes with the OTL Ewoks aiding the others, and this time it could work.
 
I honestly think the films Great on it's own. We could maybe make the battle bigger but otherwise we can probably leave it alone. Especially the Ewoks.
 
As another matter, Bruce is both wildly out of line as well as flipping out over a frankly idiotic concern. The Slave Leia bikini was obviously intended to be titillating, I don't think anyone would really deny that, but it's... not really? The bikini frankly looks like shit and Carrie just showing off more skin is doing most of the work there, not to mention everything else that's going on in those scenes to distract from it. The more important matter though is that it's a bikini, which means that it doesn't show any more skin than the bathing suit. It's stupid as hell that Bruce is blowing up about "what will my children think," when it's the same amount of skin she'd show off at the damn beach or a pool(speaking of, does Bruce have a pool? I don't actually recall). The sexual tones are going to be grasped and understood by the adults, grasped but not likely to be widely/fully understood by the older kids(it's the 80s, not post 2000s. Porn access isn't anywhere near as prevalent and most of it accessible is not as titillating), and neither grasped nor understood by the younger kids. Bruce really showing off a puritanical streak.
Counterpoint: His Waifu Wife, in a suggestive outfit, in a film that'll be seen by millions. It's completely understandable that Bruce would get pissed.
 
Fun fact


Wookies are RENOWN engineers. Like their tech is some of the best in the galaxy and, funnily enough, a lot of the basic materials the ewoks could have feasibly looted off of imperials or harvested from their environment.



So having some wookies there to help a t as engineers and techies would be great and go a long way to showing that wookies ain't just big strong space dogs but rather are INCREDIBLY smart and skilled.


Another way to put it is they have been fighting with a race of lizard aliens who try to hunt them regularly for most of their history.... And have, more than once, nearly exterminated them before being made to stop by the trade federation and other such groups.


And they did this almost entirely with their native tech.
 
But it shows that whole "Evil Overlord" aesthetic that portrays the Emperor as a truly Evil and heinous villain! And don't tell me it would not be awesome to see Luke and Vader fighting with a lava backdrop as volcanos erupt.

I can compromise with the Death Stars. How about...1 Death Star completed, but only Half a Death Star in the middle of construction?
I actually really like the Throne Room as the setting for their fight though, and in general, I just don't think making the Obi Wan and Anakin prequel fight be the fight between Luka and Vader really works as well. It's just a bit too heavy on the spectacle. I think part of what makes that final battle so great is how intimate it is, and I think having erupting volcanoes and lava and shit kind of detracts from that. I've mentioned it before, but Luke's line of "I am a Jedi, like my father before me," is one one of my all time favorite movie lines and I just don't think I can handle the thought that the intimacy of the encounter(it's also a bit claustrophobic, which I liked) and the creepy, silent menace of the Emperor being potentially undermined just to recreate the duel on Mustafar(speaking of, I meant Mustafar earlier when I said Korriban. I mixed them up. I am very tired).

As for the Death Stars... I'm split. On the one hand, I think only one Death Star makes more sense and I like how when the Death Star is completed, they scramble to create a second one because it's so vital a fear inducing tool for them(I'm not explaining it well, but whatever). On the other, I feel like making it two Death Stars makes it so that it's less of a "oh you thought you destroyed the Death Star, well here it is again!" Having 2 makes it feel like an actual escalation of stakes and tension as opposed to an undoing of the first film. Ultimately, I'm undecided.
I just don't see how to make it without it seeming ridiculous. The Ewoks are fun, but they don't fit as the ones who will rescue the Rebel Alliance.

A compromise I proposed is that the term Ewok refers to a conglomeration of different races who work together as they try to hide from the Empire. This allows us to show the OTL Ewoks as members of said group, and different other races that can make for more believable rescuers.
There we can add some funny scenes with the OTL Ewoks aiding the others, and this time it could work.
I don't really like this tbh. Not for any specific reason really, I just kinda knee jerk don't like it. I'm personally more amenable to the idea of making Ewoks a parallel species to Wookies, kind of like Mon Cala with having both the Mon Calamari and the Quarren.
Counterpoint: His Waifu Wife, in a suggestive outfit, in a film that'll be seen by millions. It's completely understandable that Bruce would get pissed.
He explicitly says that it isn't the part he's hung up on, that he's concerned about his kids watching the film.
Another way to put it is they have been fighting with a race of lizard aliens who try to hunt them regularly for most of their history.... And have, more than once, nearly exterminated them before being made to stop by the trade federation and other such groups.
So basically Trandoshans?
 
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As for the Death Stars... I'm split. On the one hand, I think only one Death Star makes more sense and I like how when the Death Star is completed, they scramble to create a second one because it's so vital a fear inducing tool for them(I'm not explaining it well, but whatever). On the other, I feel like making it two Death Stars makes it so that it's less of a "oh you thought you destroyed the Death Star, well here it is again!" Having 2 makes it feel like an actual escalation as opposed to an undoing of the first film. Ultimately, I'm undecided.
I'm in favor of one deathstar. Having two complicates things. Like you'd have to have two ships doing a run on them and have both succeed.

Or we could make it a upgraded "multi shot deathstar" like the Disney trilogy did with Star killer base. Just no galaxy long firing range.
 
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I think we keep the ewoks, just make them a bit more menacing and better at ambushes
Possibly using their own scavenged tech? Maybe some for of wookies reverence after a wookies slave that escaped and helped teach them? Even have some dialogue ideas.


"Look at that Chewie, they could be your cousins."
Chewie roars
"It ain't being racist I mean, they're like tinier fluffier wookies."
Chewie growls
"Hey, that isn't fair and you know it."
Smug Chewie sounds
"Yeah yeah, but that doesn't change how similar they are I mean, they even got Bowcasters.... Sort of."
Offended Wookies sounds
"Hey, I didn't mean it like that" rolls eyes "They're working off the same principles, look at those power cells"
Thoughtful wookies sounds
"Yeah, even you have to admit they look almost the same as your Bowcasters cells."



Later on when the Ewoks spot Chewie they lead him to a hall with wall paintings showing a wookie n chains fighting storm troopers and being left for dead, Ewoks saving them, the wookie teaching Ewoks, and the wookie eventually dying.



Thoughts?
 
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No, just no.
Trying to make the battle between Luke and Vader grandiose just cheapens the poignancy of the scenes.
RotJ has some notable flaws, but that battle is not one of them.
Do not change what works well, that is where SW ultimately went off the rails in our own timeline.
 
Just make the ewoks carry stolen blasters (like the native americans). While the Imperial have the tech and all, there is a lot more Ewoks than there are Imperials.

Or make it a bit like the current middle east, where a lot of IED are hook onto tanks, insurgents run away and then it explodes. If that fails there is always good old molotov cocktails.

(We can also take vietnam war as an inspiration but not sure how well it will go).

You can also make it a rainy day where visibility drops but Ewoks are able to traverse it without much problem.
 
I think we keep the ewoks, just make them a bit more menacing and better at ambushes
Separate note, I don't understand what people's obsession is with trying to change the Ewoks or turn them into Wookies. It's fucking endemic in the Star Wars fandom, holy shit. The Ewoks are fine, just make a couple of adjustments so that their success is more plausible and then be done with it.
Whatever we do please don't get rid of the Ewoks. I love those little tribal teddy bears.
I think that we should expand on why they are so capable of defeating Imperial soldiers, like showing all the hostile creatures that lore says exist on the moon so people in the future don't ask why they are so capable
agree, the ewoks need something whit a bit more oomph. like, prepare the terrain or use creatures to burry the machines in holes, or use the trees (high ground) to pelt the troopers whit blaster fire, basically make this their vietnam.
they are fighting an empire, let them fight like an actually guerrilla instead of pulling home alone tricks.
Guys, don´t forget that the Ewoks were exclusively designed the way the were because Lucas wanted some huggable alien to turn into Plush Toys (since, you know, merchandising sales were his earnings)... They are literally designed to be as cute, funny, and non-threatening as humanely possible, which makes any attempt to use them in a serious epic battle doomed to fail

I say scrap this idea entirely (or change them so much they are totally unrecognizable), the 501st Legion, Vader's Fist, and the best troops in the Imperiums deserve a better send-off.

The idea of Wookies is because they still have marketability as plush toys while remaining a credible opponent to the Empire...
 
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Guys, don´t forget that the Ewoks were exclusively designed the way the were because Lucas wanted some huggable alien to turn into Plush Toys (since, you know, merchandising sales were his earnings)... They are literally designed to be as cute, funny, and non-threatening as humanely possible, which makes any attempt to use them in a serious epic battle doomed to fail

I say scrap this idea entirely (or change them so much they are totally unrecognizable), the 501st Legion, Vader's Fist, and the best troops in the Imperiums deserve a better send-off.

The idea of Wookies is because they still have marketability as plush toys while remaining a credible opponent to the Empire...
You know what else is cute and non-treatening? Pandas,and they will absolutely maul a motherfucker if they feel like it.
 
You know what else is cute and non-treatening? Pandas,and they will absolutely maul a motherfucker if they feel like it.
Yeah, and that is why 90% of WoW players who use Pandaren (and a decent portion of Goblin and Gnome Playerbase) do it for ironic reasons, because getting mauled to dead by a Panda is a stupid way to die.

Great for trolling and/or comedy, not so much for a climatic epic final battle...
 
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