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    • Magoose said:
    Hi Magoose here one of the guys helping Duke.

    So we have some bad news.

    The quest has been canceled as duke does not want to write it anymore.

    I'm going to ask if I can take over for it, because I like this quest, and it would be a shame to kill it
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    TBF, Mags, you have been doing a lot of the heavylifting for the quest, so this will be in good hands. :)

    To be clear to everyone, this is just me burning out on imagination of the quest, since my muse has been hitting me over the head a lot with so many different ideas that I just can't find myself too interested in this.

    I'll still hang out here, though, since this still does have a sepcial place in my heart.

    I'd like to thank you all for making this a wonderful experience while it lasted.

    I'd also like to thank @Magoose, @Fluffy_serpent, and @Martin Noctis for doing so much to help prepare and write this quest. I couldn't have done it without you all. :D

    I'll see you all around.

    With so many regards, Duke William Of.
     
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    • overmind said:
    So, if I understand this correctly, at the moment we have Star Wars and 5 Dates in Editing, Rocky ready to be released, Close Encounters of the Third Kind and Carrie still in Production.

    At the same time we have Marathon Madness, The Playground and the Kung Fu Kid ready to begin Production.

    In movie Scripts that are done and ready to begin Production as well there are: Prince of Persia, Solomon Kane, The Slender Man, Moonlight Diner, Deliver Them to Evil, and Dracula: Blood Origins.

    Not bad at all.

    So, should we try for another production, or wait until we release one of our movies first?
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    Don't forget Killer Queen, Debbie's big comeback movie. Speaking of @Magoose You never put Killer Queen as a production start in the Lucasfilms options in the previous couple of turns.

    Magoose said:
    This is me speaking as QM… I'd wait till after Star Wars releases and you all get upgrades before you start another production.

    If only because budget and the awesomeness that will ensue.
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    Hmmm...several months without doing another production until Star Wars releases? Still an absolute win in my book. We can really use this time to expand Bruce's skillset, business investments, focus solely on the Olympics and perhaps get a boxing match or two afterwards. Even better, Bruce now has a decent excuse to go back into acting and audition for non Lucasfilms stuff. Probably won't be able to land a movie role from another studio unless one of our competitors is feeling nice enough, but we can do a couple of guest spots on TV and head over to Japan and do some cool stuff.
     
    I was thinking that, come the '80s that two of the companies that we end up investing in is David Trans' Sriracha sauce, something I feel like he likely ran past at one point while they were still selling out of the blue truck, and DeLorean after purchasing one of their cars (thinking the '81 model), then outright buying the company after the owner's cocaine scandal, later converting it into one of the first electric cars after years of having really good engineers working on making it more environmentally friendly [and still keeping it iconic].

    Thoughts?
     
    Orion Ultor said:
    I was thinking that, come the '80s that two of the companies that we end up investing in is David Trans' Sriracha sauce, something I feel like he likely ran past at one point while they were still selling out of the blue truck, and DeLorean after purchasing one of their cars (thinking the '81 model), then outright buying the company after the owner's cocaine scandal, later converting it into one of the first electric cars after years of having really good engineers working on making it more environmentally friendly [and still keeping it iconic].

    Thoughts?
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    I'll support this, but I'd like to also try and buy Charlton Comics if we don't get DC from Warner Brothers.
     
    Schehera Zade said:
    I'll support this, but I'd like to also try and buy Charlton Comics if we don't get DC from Warner Brothers.
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    More of a Marvel guy myself, but I do like Neil Gaiman's runs at DC...except what he did to Red Hood, making him super unhinged for little reason.

    But in all honesty, I think we should just make our own Comics Publisher to start, and then work our way from there.
     
    Schehera Zade said:
    I'll support this, but I'd like to also try and buy Charlton Comics if we don't get DC from Warner Brothers.
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    I'll support the buy for Charlton Comics if we buy Marvel as well. We don't even need to start making the movies now (many of the cahracters won't be able to get good adaptations until the late 90s due to the technological level needed) but I want them in our corner now just in case something wrong may happen. Not to mention their run of Star Wars comics should help as well.

    Not to mention they must have Stan Lee and Jack Kirby (now with a clean slate between them) working again. We can even stop the bleed out that happened due to Jim Shooter's somewhat Iron handed approach to writers. I think he was good for the company, but he just couldn't communicate well with people.

    So, in conclusion; Charlton agreed, if also Marvel.
     
    Orion Ultor said:
    But in all honesty, I think we should just make our own Comics Publisher to start, and then work our way from there.
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    Charlton is better for this. It's got the necessary infrastructure needed, which means we don't have to spend so much time building that up. It's got strong characters like Question, Blue Beetle, Peacemaker, and Captain Atom. It's also an established company with name recognition and is doing poorly financially right now which eventually lead them to be purchased by DC to welcome Dick Giordano into his role as Editor-in-Chief because he used to work there. He ordered a story to be made with the characters, getting Alan Moore to do it, which they liked a lot but thought it wouldn't work for the characters as they were and had him make new characters for it. That's how we got The Watchmen. We can easily purchase them right now, as they are beginning to only put out reprints IIRC and are doing poorly financially, and with our new IP being put out like Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Conan, and everything else, we can easily prop up Charlton Comics. Given that it's a smaller company as well without especially ingrained character continuity, this allows us as players to more easily put forward new characters and stories to be published through Charlton. Charlton also already has a reputation of being a proving ground for new talent. Frankly, the only reason Charlton didn't turn the Big 2 into the Big 3 is because company management literally could not give any less of a shit and were notoriously lazy and unambitious. Overall, Charlton is a better choice I believe and one we can easily turn around.

    overmind said:
    I'll support the buy for Charlton Comics if we buy Marvel as well. We don't even need to start making the movies now (many of the cahracters won't be able to get good adaptations until the late 90s due to the technological level needed) but I want them in our corner now just in case something wrong may happen. Not to mention their run of Star Wars comics should help as well.

    Not to mention they must have Stan Lee and Jack Kirby (now with a clean slate between them) working again. We can even stop the bleed out that happened due to Jim Shooter's somewhat Iron handed approach to writers. I think he was good for the company, but he just couldn't communicate well with people.

    So, in conclusion; Charlton agreed, if also Marvel.
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    The problem with Marvel is the same problem with DC, it's just too big. We'd have no real ability or time to manage it, meaning it would almost certainly have to be managed by someone else, which means that we would only be buying it to own the IP. It also becomes difficult for us to add anything new or change anything, given how strongly established everything is with both content and business management, limiting what we can do as players with the comics. Frankly, owning DC or Marvel Comics is a quest all on it's own. The opposite challenge exists for starting our own from scratch in that we'd have to build up the infrastructure from the bottom up along with everything else needed, like characters, settings, contacts, employees, it's just too much to manage on top of Lucasfilm. This is why Charlton is perfect. It represents a strong middle ground. It has popular and recognizable characters, but not too many of them that players can't add new things as well as not especially ingrained continuity. It has name recognition, but not as much star power as Marvel or DC. It has the infrastructure and is already known as a place for new talent to get into the business, but it also isn't too big for us to manage or too large and ingrained to change management or content. It's a strong middle ground which is why I think it's the perfect choice and is why I singled out Charlton over making our own company. It also nicely settles any debate between Marvel and DC fans so we don't have to fight over which we go for.
     
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    Schehera Zade said:
    The problem with Marvel is the same problem with DC, it's just too big. We'd have no real ability or time to manage it, meaning it would almost certainly have to be managed by someone else, which means that we would only be buying it to own the IP. It also becomes difficult for us to add anything new or change anything, given how strongly established everything is with both content and business management, limiting what we can do as players with the comics. Frankly, owning DC or Marvel Comics is a quest all on it's own. The opposite challenge exists for starting our own from scratch in that we'd have to build up the infrastructure from the bottom up along with everything else needed, like characters, settings, contacts, employees, it's just too much to manage on top of Lucasfilm. This is why Charlton is perfect. It represents a strong middle ground. It has popular and recognizable characters, but not too many of them that players can't add new things as well as not especially ingrained continuity. It has name recognition, but not as much star power as Marvel or DC. It has the infrastructure and is already known as a place for new talent to get into the business, but it also isn't too big for us to manage or too large and ingrained to change management or content. It's a strong middle ground which is why I think it's the perfect choice and is why I singled out Charlton over making our own company. It also nicely settles any debate between Marvel and DC fans so we don't have to fight over which we go for.
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    The thing is that aside from just having the rights of the characters, and perhaps making a small change or two in the managing of the company, I don't want us to have anything to do with the rest of the comic company, nor do I think we should. Though we have gone from actor to Producer our main impetus still remains in Hollywood and movies, be it by making them, acting in them, distributing them, writing them, etc. To add then, trying to micromanage an entire comic book company as well would be a bit outside our remit, and something I would not want this quest to turn to.

    That's why I think we should go for the already established companies who are not going to need any more of our time beyond some direction as to where to go, and perhaps a dip or two when we want a character to do something or not. Having the already established and recognizable characters in our corner also helps as we don't waste more time trying to make them profitable (and since I'm a Marvel fan I prefer it over DC.

    In that I think Marvel is the best choice over Charlton, yet I'm also willing to buy Charlton if we go for the Marvel brand as well.
     
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    overmind said:
    The thing is that aside from just having the rights of the characters, and perhaps making a small change or two in the managing of the company, I don't want us to have anything to do with the rest of the comic company, nor do I think we should. Though we have gone from actor to Producer our main impetus still remains in Hollywood and movies, be it by making them, acting in them, distributing them, writing them, etc. To add then, trying to micromanage an entire comci book company as well would be a bit outside our remit, and something I would not want this quest to turn to.

    That's why I think we should go for th already established companies who are not going to need any more of our time beyond some direction as to where to go, and perhaps a dip or two when we want a character to do something or not. Having the already established adn recognizable characters in our corner also helps as we don't waste more time trying to make them profitable (and since I'm a Marel fan I prefer it over DC.

    In that I think Marvel is the best choice over Charlton, yet I'm also willing to buy Charlton if we go for the Marvel brand as well.
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    Again, the crux of the issue here is that if we do that, there's nothing for us as players to do with the company. It's literally just buying it for the IP. Likely not even pitches and there may also not even be options like we have with Mike. I'm not saying we manage Charlton directly, that's ridiculous, but we can have a greater hand as players than we ever could with the likes of Marvel or DC. There isn't a real point in buying Marvel or DC because there isn't anything for us to do. Especially not if you're arguing for not making films on them until at least the 90s, meaning there's even less point. It's just a pointless endeavor. Charlton gives us far more freedom as players. Sure, it's outside the Hollywood stuff, but we've already been doing that for quite a while now, as evidence by last turn with the Nuclear lobbying. Not to mention, we've long been discussing doing other things like video games and what not, so I really don't see what the contention is. It's outside of Hollywood and acting, but it's still entertainment. And like I said, it side steps the issue of players arguing over Marvel or DC. And like I also said, Charlton is established enough that we don't have to do everything, but it's also barren enough that players have an opportunity to contribute if they'd like, so it's still not turning into a Comic Quest.
     
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    Schehera Zade said:
    Again, the crux of the issue here is that if we do that, there's nothing for us as players to do with the company. It's literally just buying it for the IP.
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    Yes, that's what I'm saying I want to do, even if we have to wait until the 90s. Just like I've said in my post. And you may want to deal with that kind of stuff outside of Hollywood, but we haven't so far; Our gym is involved in training for stunts, our boxing career is linked to our acting, the idea of an animation department is for making movies, and the ownership of a comic book company would be to make movies out of said characters, not to make comics.

    So yes, I want them for their IP's, and I want Marvel, which is why I suggested it.

    I'll leave it at that since I don't think we're going to agree on this.
    Fanhunter696 said:
    We can just make like DC did IRL and buy as many comic companies as we can...
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    Huh, then we could make the films for both Marvel and DC. Yeah, I can go with that. I kinda want to do the Guardians of the Galaxy movies more than anything.
     
    Alright so, I've been thinking. I've wanted to try and get the Animation Department for a while now, and even made the pitch for Treasure Planet (I really hope we can make said film), but what other animated movies should we try to go for? Personally I'm hoping we can do if not all of the Disney classics, then at least most of them (Mulan and The Little Mermaid are a must in my opinion) but I'm also hoping for Atlantis: The Lost Empire as another lost classic that could very well gain traction if developed and releaased early on.

    But aside from that, I'm talking about getting a new animation movie of the ground, and one that could very well help start a new franchise off the ground. One that it has been trying to be constructed but always fails and yet this time around we could finally give it the shot it deserves.

    Guys, what if we made John Carter of Mars into an animated film?
     
    overmind said:
    Alright so, I've been thinking. I've wanted to try and get the Animation Department for a while now, and even made the pitch for Treasure Planet (I really hope we can make said film), but what other animated movies should we try to go for? Personally I'm hoping we can do if not all of the Disney classics, then at least most of them (Mulan and The Little Mermaid are a must in my opinion)
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    Well, the main producers are available for it, given that Disney just fired them, so I don't see why not; though I do hope we'll be able to make things a little more mature but not quite as grimdark as the originals. Though I think it'll be far funnier if we go with the original ending to Mulan, where all the guys go looking for their war buddy and only years after the fact find out Mulan was a woman...that, and for Aladdin be as originally told by Scherazade, a story set in China.

    As for what other animated films...The Taxman Cometh and Pyroclasm for something in the vein of adult animation? And maybe our World Newton setting idea, the one where the book accurate stories are exaggerated to a degree because the biographer thought it sounded cooler.
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    but I'm also hoping for Atlantis: The Lost Empire as another lost classic that could very well gain traction if developed and releaased early on.
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    Interesting point of fact, years ago I heard the rumor that Atlantis and El Dorado had originally been the same movie, but when Lord Farquad went and made Dreamworks, he stole a lot of the script for the original project (mostly in the form of Tulio and Miguel) and used it to help create the framework for El Dorado, hoping that by releasing his movie first, he'd hit Disney right in the checkbook since the two were supposed to release within the same time frame and people would label Disney a copycat.

    But yes, Atlantis the Lost Empire needs to get made (and hey, we can use Conan to help with worldbuilding!), and maybe if we snag Greg Weisman we can get the ball rolling on that TV show by maybe mixing it in with Gargoyles.
    overmind said:
    But aside from that, I'm talking about getting a new animation movie of the ground, and one that could very well help start a new franchise off the ground. One that it has been trying to be constructed but always fails and yet this time around we could finally give it the shot it deserves.

    Guys, what if we made John Carter of Mars into an animated film?
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    What's funny is that, if we succeed in getting the rights, we'll have closed the circle, given that Flash Gordon only happened because the creator couldn't get the rights to John Carter, and Star Wars only happened because George couldn't get the rights to Flash Gordon.

    Also yes.
     
    Orion Ultor said:
    Well, the main producers are available for it, given that Disney just fired them, so I don't see why not; though I do hope we'll be able to make things a little more mature but not quite as grimdark as the originals. Though I think it'll be far funnier if we go with the original ending to Mulan, where all the guys go looking for their war buddy and only years after the fact find out Mulan was a woman...that, and for Aladdin be as originally told by Scherazade, a story set in China.
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    I mean, some darkness in the movies are fine, but we should not make them all like that either. I think the little Mermaid has a good ending and makes it just fine, plus I like how the ending of Mulan truly shows in a more dynamic way how men and women have the same potential while also acknowledging their differences. Perhaps show the lines in writing where Mulan mentions that story about the Hare at the beginning of the film, then show the film just as it is.

    Also, are you really going to deny the chance to have Robin Williams' magnificence performance as the Genie exist?
    Orion Ultor said:
    As for what other animated films...The Taxman Cometh and Pyroclasm for something in the vein of adult animation? And maybe our World Newton setting idea, the one where the book accurate stories are exaggerated to a degree because the biographer thought it sounded cooler.
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    Wait, the Taxman Cometh is animated?! I thought it was to be a regular movie, which I think would make it more of a parody. The other one sounds alright by me.
    Orion Ultor said:
    Interesting point of fact, years ago I heard the rumor that Atlantis and El Dorado had originally been the same movie, but when Lord Farquad went and made Dreamworks, he stole a lot of the script for the original project (mostly in the form of Tulio and Miguel) and used it to help create the framework for El Dorado, hoping that by releasing his movie first, he'd hit Disney right in the checkbook since the two were supposed to release within the same time frame and people would label Disney a copycat.

    But yes, Atlantis the Lost Empire needs to get made (and hey, we can use Conan to help with worldbuilding!), and maybe if we snag Greg Weisman we can get the ball rolling on that TV show by maybe mixing it in with Gargoyles.
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    Greg Weisman begins working when? Because if it's too late into the 80s then it will be too long. I think we can make the Littl Mermaid and the other films soon because Disney had the ideas for a long time and didn't doo anything with them, whereas we would be roaring to go if we hire the animators who had said ideas.
    Orion Ultor said:
    What's funny is that, if we succeed in getting the rights, we'll have closed the circle, given that Flash Gordon only happened because the creator couldn't get the rights to John Carter, and Star Wars only happened because George couldn't get the rights to Flash Gordon.

    Also yes.
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    Why stop there then? Let's get the Flash Gordon rights and show them how a true fan makes a true adaptation!

    ...Or perhaps not. We might be going a bit too far with Flash Gordon.

    Besides, I want the song to be made.
     
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    I mean, some darkness in the movies are fine, but we should not make them all like that either. I think the little Mermaid has a good ending and makes it just fine, plus I like how the ending of Mulan truly shows in a more dynamic way how men and women have the same potential while also acknowledging their differences. Perhaps show the lines in writing where Mulan mentions that story about the Hare at the beginning of the film, then show the film just as it is.
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    My point was trusting the audience to handle darker themes and tones without going overboard or even to the same extremes as the original or Disnefy them like OTL, the middle ground.
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    Also, are you really going to deny the chance to have Robin Williams' magnificence performance as the Genie exist?
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    Considering there's G, PG, PG-13, R and NC-17 cuts of the movie because he improvised that much, I don't see a reason why he wouldn't be involved.

    Also, how does my suggestion of Aladdin being set in China as in the original story, something Bruce would be aware of and likely favor because of Lee, remove Robin Williams from the project?
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    Wait, the Taxman Cometh is animated?! I thought it was to be a regular movie, which I think would make it more of a parody. The other one sounds alright by me.
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    It wasn't in the original pitch, but I don't see a reason why it couldn't be animated and remain parody.
    overmind said:
    Greg Weisman begins working when? Because if it's too late into the 80s then it will be too long. I think we can make the Littl Mermaid and the other films soon because Disney had the ideas for a long time and didn't doo anything with them, whereas we would be roaring to go if we hire the animators who had said ideas.
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    Greg Weisman doesn't start working until '83, but I was specifically referring to him working as lead producer on our Atlantis/Gargoyles show which doesn't need to enter production until at least '91.

    Sad though, that this will likely butterfly away:
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    Yeah, but there's the Genie of the Lamp, and the Genie of the Ring, (yeah, Aladdin has 2 genies) who basically make it all too similar.
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    Then adapt them into the same character, not that difficult.
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    Besides, putting it into a more MIddle Eastern Country helps separate it from Mulan and avoid repeating too much. At least at first.
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    Not really, given that we can play around with different eras and different kingdoms in China to distinguish them more, which would help shatter the idea the place is monocultural to the extreme.

    Hell, it wouldn't raise too many eyebrows if we had it set in Manchuria, Sichuan, Tibet, or even Xinjian, which could make Aladdin a Uyghur, each providing a very distinct aesthetic and tone in the retelling.
     
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    • The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson:

    You were all dressed up in a good suit shirt and tie and a pair of slacks—something professional and presentable, but also not too much. You were trying to give an impression of Every man… which in some ways you still were. But well, every man wanted to be you.

    You needed to work on your jokes. And honestly, as long as Johnny was sincere, you were sure he would be great.

    Yet as you walked towards the room, you saw a man you never expected to visit for a long time, not until Carrie was ready… Her father, Eddie Fisher.

    And judging from how he looked, he seemed like he was hoping to see her with you, and his face immediately deflated from a jovial, almost happy smile, to a frown that was filled with bitterness and despair. "Oh, it's you."

    You almost didn't recognize the man, but you returned his scowl with a look of concern. You were going to make this quick. "What do you want Eddie?" You had seen pictures of Eddie Fisher every now and then, in some magazine or tabloid, or even on some TV show as a guest star. He still worked, but he didn't share the same energy that he had.

    Probably because he was looking at you, and looking for Carrie. "I thought Carrie was with you?"

    "She didn't want to come." You replied, sensing hostility in his tone as you prepared yourself, mentally, for what he may say.

    "I… have every right to see her." He started.

    But you raised your hand. "No, you don't."

    That made him angry. "I am her father!" He demanded rage in his tone. "I was there when she was born!"

    "And I am her husband." You said slowly, articulating every word that came from your mouth. "The man she chose because you were not there for the rest of her life."

    Eddie seemed ready to start wailing in impotent rage, to slowly become angry and a danger to himself. But instead, he just sighed. "I know. I just… want to try and make things right with her."

    "That's not up to you to decide Eddie." You stated calmly. "That's up to her." You paused as you looked at the man in the eye. "If you are honest with your… intentions, she'll understand and choose when she wants. No one else."

    And you walked to the studio. Letting the man wallow in his own thoughts.
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    Johnny was cheerful as he quickly brought you in and ushered you to your seat. "My My, your bigger in person." That earned a soft chuckle from the audience and that made you laugh. "Really, the size of you kid."

    "That's what my wife keeps telling me." That earned a roar from the crowd and even Johnny was taken aback by that.

    "Indeed." He was smiling. "So I'm just going to be blunt and start off hard balling you… That going to be okay."

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    • Orion Ultor said:
    My point was trusting the audience to handle darker themes and tones without going overboard or even to the same extremes as the original or Disnefy them like OTL, the middle ground.
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    That could be, but I just don't see why we should change what in my opinion are classics. UNless the animators and directors want to of course, in which case I guess we can consider it.
    Orion Ultor said:
    Considering there's G, PG, PG-13, R and NC-17 cuts of the movie because he improvised that much, I don't see a reason why he wouldn't be involved.

    Also, how does my suggestion of Aladdin being set in China as in the original story, something Bruce would be aware of and likely favor because of Lee, remove Robin Williams from the project?

    Then adapt them into the same character, not that difficult.
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    I just assumed that since you wanted the story to be more like the original then you'd want to change everything from OTL version.

    My bad, I misunderstood.
    Orion Ultor said:
    Not really, given that we can play around with different eras and different kingdoms in China to distinguish them more, which would help shatter the idea the place is monocultural to the extreme.

    Hell, it wouldn't raise too many eyebrows if we had it set in Manchuria, Sichuan, Tibet, or even Xinjian, which could make Aladdin a Uyghur, each providing a very distinct aesthetic and tone in the retelling.
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    Alright then, I guess that can work. Perhaps if we make it in different dynasties as well.

    Ohh, we could make Aladdin first, then when we do Mulan we can have any character from there reference Aladdin in some way to show they're connected!

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    Eddie seemed ready to start wailing in impotent rage, to slowly become angry and a danger to himself. But instead, he just sighed. "I know. I just… want to try and make things right with her."
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    DO NOT FUCKING TRUST HIM!!!!
     
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