Lights... Camera... ACTION!!: A Hollywood Quest

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT
Hi Magoose here one of the guys helping Duke.

So we have some bad news.

The quest has been canceled as duke does not want to write it anymore.

I'm going to ask if I can take over for it, because I like this quest, and it would be a shame to kill it
TBF, Mags, you have been doing a lot of the heavylifting for the quest, so this will be in good hands. :)

To be clear to everyone, this is just me burning out on imagination of the quest, since my muse has been hitting me over the head a lot with so many different ideas that I just can't find myself too interested in this.

I'll still hang out here, though, since this still does have a sepcial place in my heart.

I'd like to thank you all for making this a wonderful experience while it lasted.

I'd also like to thank @Magoose, @Fluffy_serpent, and @Martin Noctis for doing so much to help prepare and write this quest. I couldn't have done it without you all. :D

I'll see you all around.

With so many regards, Duke William Of.
 
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How does everyone feel about a rematch with Bob Foster after the Olympics? Gold medalist and lightweight champion are excellent credentials
Foster would've retired by then, he retires this year, still the champ. The person we'd fight after the Olympics is the English John Conteh, who was pretty damn good…just not as good as Foster.

No, after we get the Gold Medal, then Light-Heavyweight belt, I want to go after Ali in 1977.
 
Foster would've retired by then, he retires this year, still the champ. The person we'd fight after the Olympics is the English John Conteh, who was pretty damn good…just not as good as Foster.

No, after we get the Gold Medal, then Light-Heavyweight belt, I want to go after Ali in 1977.
Sounds like a plan, hope we're still friends with him after
 
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Hey guys, you know what we could do? One of the rewards has the rights for Conan Film rights be in the air at the moment. We could buy them up next turn and do some Conan films just like we want to make them! We could butterfly away the Kiddie 2nd film, the disaster that was Red Sonja, and introduce Solomon Kane!

Don't tell me you wouldn't love to see a movie with him!

Also, the Iron Lung script, we should buy it before our sister finds someone that sees it for the genius script that it is and decides to butcher it in the way that many studios do nowadays.

And finally, I've noticed we've started learning french, which is a good thing since it would help us in negotiations with the French consortium led by Jean-Paul Gibon who owns the rights to Dune at the moment. Personally, my preference is to make it a TV series as that was how I was first introduced to the series. But, if we are to make a movie then it should be a two parter, just like in OTL.

...Just, by the love of God, don't let Alejandro Jodorowsky direct it! The man might be an "auteur" or whatever, but he wanted Salvador Dali and Orson Welles to be in the movie, and his 12 year old son to be Paul Atreides!

Seriously, what the fuck!
 
Ali…probably hates Bruce.

He was very provocative when it came to race IRL, partly for good reasons but he took it very far at times.

He at one point accused Rocky of being a white power fantasy about a white guy beating him, Foreman or Foster, the big black boxing stars at the time, with him claiming the movie got him to shout 'Beat that N*" about Apollo, who he claimed was an expy for the aforementioned black boxing champions of the 70's who dominated so much.

Bruce being called a 'White Ali', given an insane shot at Foster and touted about despite losing? That'll hit every one of the buttons Ali had pressed by OTL Rocky.

Don't forget that Ali is a Draft dodger who got his titles stripped and was forced to stay away from boxing for four years during his peak and Bruce made a successful charity that supports the troops. Also Ali is a follower of the Nation of Islam whose viewpoint at this time was that white people were Devils, though fortunately that's going to change next year when Wallace Muhammad comes to lead the organization. Bruce also being a devout Christian might make Ali paranoid that Bruce looks down on him as a Muslim like how a lot of Christian leaders were harassing and attacking him after his conversion even though Bruce likely wouldn't mind and just respect Ali for following his beliefs. Overall Ali is definitely going to hate us for the next few years unless Bruce does some activism in support of the Black community, though hopefully some good words from Bob Foster who seems to like us along with support from Black veterans benefitting from the O'Reilly Foundation will change that. At least this is around the time period where Ali starts to cool down his temper and personality so hopefully if we ever do face him there would be mild dislike instead of outright hatred.

Speaking of Apollo, I've been thinking that for Rocky II we could hopefully change his personality to better reflect the good man and honorable fighter he is in Rocky III, although one could argue that Apollo's character in 3 is the result of his humbling by Rocky and subsequent friendship. My idea is that instead of hating Rocky or feeling like he's under attack, at the start of the film Apollo is antsy for a rematch because to him his fight against Rocky was the best of his life and everything before and after just feels dull and boring to him. We could also play into Apollo's hunger and ambition as a fighter that he wants to prove his the greatest of all time, and he can only do so with a knockout. So it's less being motivated by anger that it was a fluke, and more of a hunger for victory, but Apollo in his belief that he's the best doesn't change that much as a boxer while Rocky becomes better than he's ever been, landing him the close fight.

How does everyone feel about a rematch with Bob Foster after the Olympics? Gold medalist and lightweight champion are excellent credentials

That would definitely be a fun exhibition match.

Hey guys, you know what we could do? One of the rewards has the rights for Conan Film rights be in the air at the moment. We could buy them up next turn and do some Conan films just like we want to make them! We could butterfly away the Kiddie 2nd film, the disaster that was Red Sonja, and introduce Solomon Kane!

Don't tell me you wouldn't love to see a movie with him!

Also, the Iron Lung script, we should buy it before our sister finds someone that sees it for the genius script that it is and decides to butcher it in the way that many studios do nowadays.

And finally, I've noticed we've started learning french, which is a good thing since it would help us in negotiations with the French consortium led by Jean-Paul Gibon who owns the rights to Dune at the moment. Personally, my preference is to make it a TV series as that was how I was first introduced to the series. But, if we are to make a movie then it should be a two parter, just like in OTL.

...Just, by the love of God, don't let Alejandro Jodorowsky direct it! The man might be an "auteur" or whatever, but he wanted Salvador Dali and Orson Welles to be in the movie, and his 12 year old son to be Paul Atreides!

Seriously, what the fuck!

Damnit! I knew I was forgetting something when making the plan. I'll have to jot it down and remember to list that first when it comes to the next turn, might work out better narratively with Bruce getting pumped for filmmaking after funding Rocky and talking with Alan.

Looking forward to developing Iron Lung. Although I have to wonder just what the hell kind of plot we can make from a story about a single guy in a rusty submarine in a video game that lasts half an hour.

George would probably be super stoked to have Lucasfilms be the studio that makes Dune as it was a major influence for a lot of Star Wars. Tv series or two parter would work well. However, making Dune would run into a massive hurdle and that's Frank Herbert. He's always hated Star Wars and felt George stole some parts from Dune. He flirted with the idea of suing George on occasion and was very vocal whenever the topic came up that he hated Star Wars and thought it was derivative or boring. He made a joke organization called the "We're Too Big to Sue George Lucas Society". Many sources differ on if the feud was a running gag that Frank kept up or if he felt genuinely insulted with his son Brian stating that Frank felt he was attacked and depressed over Dune's seeming public inferiority to Star Wars. No matter what I think there was some hostility present based off of this section from Heretics of Dune:
Frank Herbert said:
From the most ancient times, the knowledgeable had preferred to surround themselves with fine woods rather than the mass-produced artificial materials known then as polastine, polaz, and pormabat (latterly: tine, laz, and bat). As far back as the Old Empire there had been a pejorative label for the small rich and Families Minor arising from the knowledge of a rare wood's value. "He's a three P-O," they said, meaning that such a person surrounded himself with cheap copies made from déclassé substances."

From what I've read, his very first and initial reaction to Star Wars was that he thought it was boring and didn't think much of it. However, his son Brian made him aware of Star Wars' existence and kept on repeating over and over again how he saw tons of similarities and the two stories were heavily identical with some plot points taken straight from Dune. From there I think a seed was planted in Frank's mind that Star Wars was a copy, and this was cemented when all of his fans kept on asking him about Star Wars and the similarities. What turned the relationship to a hostile feud on Frank's part was Star Wars overwhelming commercial success and public adoration while Dune was comparatively niche and seen as too weird by general readers which would make Frank feel inferior that the copy did better. What added the final touches to the pool of bitterness is Lynch's Dune heavily butchering the source material and being a commercial bomb and hated by audiences and critics, right after Return of the Jedi finished the OT and Star Wars mania was at its height.

So before we work on Dune we need to network with Frank, maybe arrange a friendly chat between him and George, and show we're interested in adapting a faithful Dune and Star Wars' similarities are an homage, not theft. If we get the film rights before establishing a good rapport, Frank will probably flip his shit over the Star Wars guys making a Dune movie and go ahead with a lawsuit. Also I blame Brian Herbert for causing the feud and it wouldn't be the first time Brian has made things worse for Dune.

Plus I can't remember when exactly, but earlier Magoose said some other studio was working on a big sci-fi film to compete with Star Wars, and my money is on someone else making Dune right now.
 
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Looking forward to developing Iron Lung. Although I have to wonder just what the hell kind of plot we can make from a story about a single guy in a rusty submarine in a video game that lasts half an hour.
What do you mean video game? My pitch had nothing to do with a video game. I pumped out a pretty lazy pitch because I just wanted to get something out to try and motivate myself to do more and better ones and I came up with it while listening to Wendigoon (love that guy to bits) describe his fear of the Ocean. Not to mention I've always felt that the ocean is a relatively untapped resource for horror. There wasn't really meant to be any special plot or anything as the film is more about the main character's descent into madness and potentially coming back from it whether that was decided on or not. I didn't even give the main character a name because it just didn't matter what they were called because it was all secondary to the psychological and existential horror of it all.

I do want to say though that I'm super flattered to hear you and Overmind like Iron Lung. It's a good motivator to present much better pitches next time.
 
Damnit! I knew I was forgetting something when making the plan. I'll have to jot it down and remember to list that first when it comes to the next turn, might work out better narratively with Bruce getting pumped for filmmaking after funding Rocky and talking with Alan.

Looking forward to developing Iron Lung. Although I have to wonder just what the hell kind of plot we can make from a story about a single guy in a rusty submarine in a video game that lasts half an hour.
I think Bruce is not the right type to play Conan. I mean, yes he's muscular, but more on the lean type from waht I understand and I see in his picture. For Conan we need someone that ahs a more bulky and muscular appearance, like Arnold in OTL.

What we can do is play Solomon Kane, which has just the right build, and has a much darker story in my opinion that would fit Bruce to a T, specially since its a man haunted by his past sins but turns to the light and dedicates himself to fighting the demonic forces on Earth.

As for Iron Lung...well, why not give it "The Lighthouse" treatment? That movie was basically 2 guys stuck in one place, hallucinating and interacting with each other. We could go a bit further by making it so that the guy in the sub awakens in the middle and has no idea why he's there, then he hears a voice coming from the communicator who explains the mission (Exploration) and we go from there. The interaction between the MC and the voice is what helps in exposition and characterization, the times where the sub looks like its going to break down add tension and moments where the MC has to find a way to fix it. The ruins discovered add to the mystery, and then we have the small details like why si the sub completely sealed with no way out, why is there no water or food or any place to rest, who is the voice, is the voice lying, etc., etc.

Then the resolution when he finds the letter that appears in the middle of the game, only this time he recognizes it as his own. Goes to the voice to demand an explanation, only for the voice to start pointing out the irregularities, then to the com station...and showing that its not on, and it never was. The voice was always in his head.

Then comes the moment when he hits something, takes a picture, sees the enormous eye, and the attempt at escaping only for the monster to appear and kill/destroy it all.

I think it can work.
George would probably be super stoked to have Lucasfilms be the studio that makes Dune as it was a major influence for a lot of Star Wars. Tv series or two parter would work well. However, making Dune would run into a massive hurdle and that's Frank Herbert. He's always hated Star Wars and felt George stole some parts from Dune. He flirted with the idea of suing George on occasion and was very vocal whenever the topic came up that he hated Star Wars and thought it was derivative or boring. He made a joke organization called the "We're Too Big to Sue George Lucas Society". Many sources differ on if the feud was a running gag that Frank kept up or if he felt genuinely insulted with his son Brian stating that Frank felt he was attacked and depressed over Dune's seeming public inferiority to Star Wars. No matter what I think there was some hostility present based off of this section from Heretics of Dune:

From what I've read, his very first and initial reaction to Star Wars was that he thought it was boring and didn't think much of it. However, his son Brian made him aware of Star Wars' existence and kept on repeating over and over again how he saw tons of similarities and the two stories were heavily identical with some plot points taken straight from Dune. From there I think a seed was planted in Frank's mind that Star Wars was a copy, and this was cemented when all of his fans kept on asking him about Star Wars and the similarities. What turned the relationship to a hostile feud on Frank's part was Star Wars overwhelming commercial success and public adoration while Dune was comparatively niche and seen as too weird by general readers which would make Frank feel inferior that the copy did better. What added the final touches to the pool of bitterness is Lynch's Dune heavily butchering the source material and being a commercial bomb and hated by audiences and critics, right after Return of the Jedi finished the OT and Star Wars mania was at its height.

So before we work on Dune we need to network with Frank, maybe arrange a friendly chat between him and George, and show we're interested in adapting a faithful Dune and Star Wars' similarities are an homage, not theft. Also I blame Brian Herbert for causing the feud and it wouldn't be the first time Brian has made things worse for Dune.
Fucking hell. That's why we should start talking with Frank Herbert and the french consortium inmediatelly before Brian Herbert decides to open his big yapper! Hell, at this point if we can sell him the idea of Star Wars as a homage to all Science Fiction stories (a well as an original story inspired by said Science Fiction) then we would be golden.

As I've mentioned, a TV series would be my preferred option, but a two parter could work just as well. And...I've just thought of another issue that may cause a problem unless we can handle it carefully; Bruce's own more devout catholicism.

For all that I love Dune, even I have to admit that Herbert does not pull any punches when it comes to criticizing, or even making fun of, religion and catholicism specifically. During the entire series of books he mentions how every religion has been used and created to manipulate everyone, and specially how the dominant religion of the time is a fusion of Christianity (Both Catholic and Protestant) and Islam. As in, the leaders of those three religions decided to join together and create a new dogma and everyone just accepted it.

I can look past it because it's been decades and I can appreciate the book for what it is, but I don't know if Bruce may find it insulting how his religion and beliefs are treated.

We can at least try though.
 
Can someone say...Pulp Hero Cinematic Universe?
I see this and raise you one League of Extraordinary Gentlemen-type cinematic universe including mythological, pulp fiction, and novel fiction characters from all over various cultures. Including the likes of amazing characters such as Rip Van Winkle, the Wizard of Oz, Pinocchio, Abraham Van Helsing, The Little Matchstick Girl, and etcetera.

Minus the terrible Gone Crazy!Harry Potter fanfic that was the later chapters of LoEG. No, seriously, that actually happened and was written by a real person. What the heck were you thinking, Moore?!

@King crimson and I have been busy with the Devil's Hour pitch we're baking up. I've decided to give you all a little peek at what we've come up so far.

We open with a wide, magnificent shot of a ferry docking at a bustling port, with dockworkers rushing to secure the lines to the port. The bottom of the screen shows, in cursive font, "March 5, 1904" and "Belfast, Ireland" in quick succession. The sounds of waves crashing, winds blowing, and seagulls cawing fill the air, contrasting with the light and calming music in the background.

The boarding ramp is slowly lowered and the passengers from all walks of life begin to exit the ship. High society aristocrats, middle-class workers, boisterous little boys and girls, and, the most striking of all, a burly, tall young man dressed in a dark green cardigan carrying multiple suitcases. Minor scars are speckled on his face. Some finely-dressed young women point and stare at him as he walks by, blushing and giggling behind their ornate folding fans. He grins jovially as he strides down the ramp with confidence, each step pounding on it like thunder. As he reaches the bottom, he does a playful little jump to the cobbled pavement below.

He begins to walk toward the city before suddenly stopping to turn back around. His grin becomes more cheeky and his eyes brighten as he stretches his arms out wide in a welcoming gesture.

"Welcome to the Emerald Isle herself, Doctor!" Donovan MacCool boomingly exclaims as we cut back to the top of the boarding ramp, where a pair of buckled shoes walk onto screen. The camera then pans up to reveal Dr. John "Jack" Seward, dressed in a newly-pressed dapper suit and red scarf and sporting a thick handlebar mustache. He smiles back at Donovan as he, suitcase in hand, walks down the ramp himself, remarking back that it's a lot less green than Donovan implies it to be.

Donovan chuckles back as he and the doctor begin to walk into Belfast proper, remarking that Jack wouldn't be saying that if he were to see the majestic cliffs and pastures that Ireland had to offer. Jack relents on the matter as he takes in the many sights, smells, and sounds of Belfast before asking Donovan when they'll reach their destination. Donovan simply remarks that they'll get there soon enough.

As they walk, they pass by various businesses, houses, and roadside stalls with vendors advertising their goods and paper boys selling newspapers. Jack briefly pauses to buy a paper from one of them, handing the boy some extra shillings as a tip as he begins to read the front of it. As they continue walking, Donovan takes in a big breath and exhales contentedly, commenting cheerfully that it's been a while since he's been here. Jack goodnaturedly deadpans that he left Ireland only three months ago, which Donovan waves off playfully and replies that he can be sentimental at times.

They continue walking before Donovan suddenly tugs Jack's arm and remarks that they've arrived at their destination. Jack, a little startled by the sudden gesture, fumbles a bit before looking up at where Donovan is pointing. The camera pans up at the same time to a storefront sign that shows a family fishing boat battling tossing waves, the captain bravely standing at the front of the ship. Written on the sign, in big, golden letters, is "The Drunken Sailor Pub and Inn". Jack slightly wrinkles his nose seeing the sign and exhales deeply, discontentedly muttering about it having to be a tavern. Donovan chuckles lightly, playfully warning Jack not to voice his concerns aloud in these parts as the two walk into the pub together. Jack grumbles under his breath about "liquid sin", but he doesn't make any more of a fuss as the two approach the scruffy and rugged bartender, who is currently cleaning a glass.

Upon noticing the duo, his face lights up and he greets Donovan with an enthusiastic bear hug, and Donovan reciprocates it just as enthusiastically. Donovan asks the bartender Paulie how he's been, to which Paulie gleefully responds that he and the missus have welcomed a new little girl into the family. Donovan excitedly clasps Paulie's shoulder and congratulates him on the wonderful news. He then turns around and quickly introduces Jack to Paulie, who shakes Paulie's hand and also congratulates him on his newborn daughter. Paulie politely thanks Jack before asking if he can get them anything special.

The two quickly look around the pub before Jack fishes a silver doubloon out of his breast pocket and gently slides it over to Paulie. On the face of the coin is a grasping golden hand. The bartender's face turns more serious as he gingerly takes the coin in his hand and inspects it. John whisperingly states that they have a meeting with a leprechaun named Graudy Pernell, after which Paulie takes out a ledger book from under the bar and starts carefully leafing through it. He quickly finds the name "Graudy Pernell" and tells the two that he's boarding in Room 17 over on the second floor. "Knock precisely four times on the door, and he'll let you in," Paulie finishes. Jack thanks him before quickly making his way toward the nearby stairs, but Donovan lingers around to buy a bottle of beer from Paulie, who chucklingly hands it to him.

Donovan quickly opens the bottle and takes a chug as he rushes up the stairs to Jack, who is waiting patiently for him at the door of Room 17. Jack sighs and shakes his head when he sees the bottle of beer, but he doesn't point it out as he knocks on the door four times. We hear the noise of a soft thump on the floor, followed by rushed walking before the door swiftly opens to reveal a disheveled Graudy Pernell, who hurriedly ushers them inside his room.

He tells them to sit down as he quickly climbs onto a chair himself. He thanks the two for coming as they sit down and offers them a bowl of candies, which Jack politely rejects but Donovan accepts one. He quickly eats them and goes to complement their taste, but he finds that his face has suddenly started flashing with all the colors of the rainbow. He begins to panic, panicking even more so when he discovers his voice has drastically dropped to that of a bass singer. Jack rushes over to make sure he's okay before being rudely interrupted when Graudy starts snickering at Donovan. He then giggles out loud before explaining to a glowering Donovan, the effects of the candied having faded away, and an unimpressed Jack that he offered them Talky Toffees and Rainbow Rocks, staple prank candies of his clan, the Bellbitts, and treats he is rather fond of himself. He chuckles before trailing off, stating solemnly that Colim was also fond of them.

Jack and Donovan adopt more sympathetic looks as Graudy coughs deliberately into his fist before rubbing his hands and shakily smiling at them, commenting that that's why they're here: to help him figure out who killed his brother Colim.

Jack, upon receiving permission from Graudy, questions him about his brother and asks if he can think of any possible motives for Colim's murder. Graudy answers that his brother was a very daring and impulsive man with a fierce temper to complement it. He then pauses hesitantly, adding that Colim did have a violent streak, as well as a nasty habit of getting into brawls. "Getting struck by a man does tend to birth a grudge," Graudy sardonically remarks, "and my brother punched so many people so many times he was practically a boxer."

Donovan sagely nods and tells Jack that it is indeed a valid motive, to which Jack shakes his head in response, though his lips subtly perk up a little. Graudy chuckles a little in understanding before continuing on, saying that Colim had also been a rather handsome bachelor, even for a Pernell, so perhaps there were some bastards jealous of that fact. Jack meticulously jots down Graudy's words before flipping his notebook closed and turning to Graudy. He politely states that they'll need more to solve the case, and Graudy replies that they'll get that "more" soon enough. Jumping off of his seat, he tells the duo that his carriage is parked at the back of the inn: with it, they'll get to Auldport in no time. Jack and Donovan get up out of their seats as well, with Jack saying they'll take him up on that offer. The three then leave the room, with Donovan taking a quick swig as he opens the door for Jack and Graudy.

Many thanks to King Crimson for collaborating and providing much-needed advice. :D

Thoughts, everyone?
 
What do you guys think about getting the rights to "John Carter of Mars" aka the "Barsoom Stories", and making an Animated series out of it?
 
Can someone say...Pulp Hero Cinematic Universe?
I see this and raise you one League of Extraordinary Gentlemen-type cinematic universe including mythological, pulp fiction, and novel fiction characters from all over various cultures. Including the likes of amazing characters such as Rip Van Winkle, the Wizard of Oz, Pinocchio, Abraham Van Helsing, The Little Matchstick Girl, and etcetera.
I believe that's called the Wold Newton Family, and so yes. I absolutely would love to see this.

Best part is is that it started being published in 1973, so I have no doubt that Bruce, Carrie (or even Dave?...[Roll d100=20]...no, not Dave) would be aware of it, having come across it in the Library at one point...slightly off topic, do you think that Bruce and Carrie have Library Dates?
 
I believe that's called the Wold Newton Family, and so yes. I absolutely would love to see this.

Best part is is that it started being published in 1973, so I have no doubt that Bruce, Carrie (or even Dave?...[Roll d100=20]...no, not Dave) would be aware of it, having come across it in the Library at one point...slightly off topic, do you think that Bruce and Carrie have Library Dates?
Given they first met in a library, I totally believe they do.

Also, I find that Wold Newton idea to be a bit nonsensical even in a world of magic. A basic plot based around the idea could be fun, but I personally am not fond of it.

If you're gonna do Urban Fantasy, go all the way with it. Don't be a coward and do some half-baked magical meteor nonsense. :V
 
If you're gonna do Urban Fantasy, go all the way with it. Don't be a coward and do some half-baked magical meteor nonsense. :V
Considering the point of the Wold Newton setting was that A) everything is mundane, and B) everything that happened in the respective series were both true and highly sensationalized [by the authors, who were written as autobiographers inseries], the entire setting sadly falls outside Urban Fantasy.
Philip José Farmer TV Tropes said:
A True Story in My Universe: In Tarzan Alive and Doc Savage: His Apocalyptic Life, Farmer claims that Edgar Rice Burroughs and Lester Dent were just the biographers of Tarzan and Doc Savage. He claims that their books were highly fictionalized and sensationalized and presents somewhat more mundane, but still sensational versions of the stories that correct various factual inaccuracies and continuity errors. For example, he explains that whenever Tarzan encountered a lion, a plains dwelling animal, in the jungle, it was actually a leopard and Burroughs exaggerated because lions were bigger and more dangerous looking.

But yeah, I think we can push the setting further to either a scientific extreme, a mystical extreme, or even a presentational extreme...or better yet, all three.
 
The Little Matchstick Girl
Uh, I'm not really familiar with various adaptions of it, but isn't that a story about a little girl freezing to death on a cold winter night while she hallucinates a better life? Lighting the matches she's supposed to be selling in an effort to keep warm? It was written by Hans Christian Anderson as a way to tell rich people 'you see how horrible poverty is? Tragedies like this happen all the time'.
 
Some character concepts for Devil's Hour franchise King Crimson and I are toying with and planning(phrased by yours truly):

Remus Volkov: The sadistic, violent, and charismatic leader of a vicious pack of werewolf gangsters, he makes a living and selling illegal magical ingredients, devices, and substances at a markup. He is a "Big Bad", a term used to describe the most vicious and bloodthirsty of werewolves, the ones who strike fear into even other werewolves, and he wears this title like a badge of honor.

Based on Roman von Ungern-Sternberg.

Telltale Tock: A monstrous dragon whose made his home in Neverland, he is a harbinger of death who, when fed any part of a person's body, will pursue them to the ends of the earth until the end of time no matter the cost, if need be. He cannot be killed, for he will regenerate any wounds and bruises struck against him.

His victims will find no place where they can forever hide from Telltale, and they will know they are doomed when they hear that monster's cold, metallic heartbeat in the air.

Tick. Tock. Tick. Tock.

Uh, I'm not really familiar with various adaptions of it, but isn't that a story about a little girl freezing to death on a cold winter night while she hallucinates a better life? Lighting the matches she's supposed to be selling in an effort to keep warm? It was written by Hans Christian Anderson as a way to tell rich people 'you see how horrible poverty is? Tragedies like this happen all the time'.
King Crimson suggested a way to adapt her in a way I really love, so I'll post his own words describing her.

(Crimson's words) Naturally there's a very, very simple but effective take on this, the Little Match Girl is a young homeless girl who sees the future in fires. As such the Little Match Girl routinely commits arson in order to ensure the best possible outcomes. She can't change the future but she can take advantage of it. She makes for an interesting consultant on mysteries and potentially an antagonist in an arson case.

(My words) Of course, she's supposed to be sympathetic, so after the main protagonists catch her the first time, they'll make sure she only commits minor arson like crates and trash. :V
 
Uh, I'm not really familiar with various adaptions of it, but isn't that a story about a little girl freezing to death on a cold winter night while she hallucinates a better life? Lighting the matches she's supposed to be selling in an effort to keep warm? It was written by Hans Christian Anderson as a way to tell rich people 'you see how horrible poverty is? Tragedies like this happen all the time'.

This story keeps moving me into the blues..

We should do a Movie Version that would hopefully be better than Disney's Rehashing of their classics and from what I heard Live Action Frozen with some twists.
 
Once upon a time.
The Little Matchstick Girl

Once upon a time, in the dying days of the Wild West, there was a little girl named Molly. She was an orphan, for her parents had died of a fever a year back, and she had to fend for herself on the harsh streets of the town of Blackwater. It was a cold night, and the snow was falling heavily as Molly wandered the desolate streets, trying to sell her matches to anyone who would buy them. But, alas, nobody wanted to buy matches on such a cold night.

Molly sat down on a bench, shivering with cold and hunger, and struck a match to warm herself up. As the match burned, she saw a vision of a warm fireplace and a delicious feast, but the match soon burned out, and the vision vanished into the darkness. She struck another match, and this time she saw a beautiful Christmas tree, adorned with bright lights and decorations. But, again, the match burned out, leaving Molly once again in the cold and darkness.

Molly struck another match, and this time she saw the face of an old man who had given her a few coins earlier that day. He had been kind to her, and Molly wished he was here to help her now. But the old man was nowhere to be found, and as Molly sat there in the cold, she passed away from hypothermia, never to see another vision or feel warmth again.

The old man, who had been dealing with his own struggles, heard of Molly's passing and felt a deep sense of guilt for not being able to help her. He sought refuge in the church, hoping for some comfort, but the Catholic priest who tended to the church couldn't console him. The old man could not forgive himself for not being there for Molly, and the priest was left helpless in the face of his grief. As the old man's tuberculosis slowly took him away, he lamented the loss of a life that could have been saved, a life that was worth more than just a few coins.


...I blame my recent replay of Red Dead Redemption 2 for this, since I got the words of Low Honor Arthur Morgan echoing in my mind. In that sense, I felt the dying days of the Wild West are the best for a story such as this. As for the Priest, as much as they are meant to be Rev. Swanson, I felt that an older Bruce would be the one to sell this role the best.
 
What do you mean video game? My pitch had nothing to do with a video game.
You are aware that Iron Lung is based off of a relatively short Indie horror game right?

I think Bruce is not the right type to play Conan. I mean, yes he's muscular, but more on the lean type from waht I understand and I see in his picture. For Conan we need someone that ahs a more bulky and muscular appearance, like Arnold in OTL.

For all that I love Dune, even I have to admit that Herbert does not pull any punches when it comes to criticizing, or even making fun of, religion and catholicism specifically. During the entire series of books he mentions how every religion has been used and created to manipulate everyone, and specially how the dominant religion of the time is a fusion of Christianity (Both Catholic and Protestant) and Islam. As in, the leaders of those three religions decided to join together and create a new dogma and everyone just accepted it.

I can look past it because it's been decades and I can appreciate the book for what it is, but I don't know if Bruce may find it insulting how his religion and beliefs are treated.

We can at least try though.

True OG Bruce is a pretty lean dude, but considering he's in peak condition and was described in his pre-Foster workout to have lived and breathed boxing while still keeping up his form training alongside Carrie, I imagine he is significantly more muscular. Not to the level of body builder Arnold, but a prime Olympian and professional boxer, probably something closer to modern boxers and the same body type as Michael B. Jordan as Adonnis Creed. To me the bigger physical issue would be height instead of muscles as Bruce is a humble 6'1, but I think if Bruce puts on the right performance he can substitute figure for charisma and still make for a great Conan. At this point in time Bruce should be close to becoming a Heavyweight and just as ripped as any other 80s action star.

You do bring up a good point about us not doing Dune, and to me I wouldn't mind if we missed major opportunities because Bruce has certain biases and opinions that would make him steer away from potential gold mines and commercial greatness. After all, we have meta knowledge, but Bruce doesn't and there can only be so many gut feelings and pushes to stuff that Bruce would have no context for. I imagine you can make conflicting arguments for Bruce liking or not liking Dune as he probably would have read it before his return to the Church and liked it, but a reread after regaining his faith might alienate him from the story and make him consider it to be weird or bad. Bruce would probably be cool with non-Christian themed literature or those based around other religions, but something that actively attacks what he believes in might rub him the wrong way. Although I think OG Dune is fine but it's Messiah onward where it gets heavily preachy and tends to make enemies of readers who disagree with Herbert's beliefs and themes.

Although if we want a Lucasfilm Dune that doesn't involve Bruce's earnest support, we could have George be the one to push for it or some producer or director aligned with the company wants their shot. I don't think Bruce would care unless the story is overtly anti-Christian. No matter what though I would at least like to settle the beef between Frank and George.

In the end, I'm not too married to doing a Dune movie and honestly it seems like something to be done just for the sake of art as the most recent Dune barely made a profit and has little cultural or popular impact, and the sequels after Children of Dune are near unadaptable. If people want to pursue Dune I'm fine, but let's build up Star Wars and a proper foundation first.

I believe that's called the Wold Newton Family, and so yes. I absolutely would love to see this.

Best part is is that it started being published in 1973, so I have no doubt that Bruce, Carrie (or even Dave?...[Roll d100=20]...no, not Dave) would be aware of it, having come across it in the Library at one point...slightly off topic, do you think that Bruce and Carrie have Library Dates?

Bruce and Carrie have probably read the books but I don't know if they necessarily are aware of the Newton connection, it is hard to connect the dots in the pre-internet age.

Considering they met in the library and owe their love and happiness to going to the library on a whim, I can imagine that they're both still regulars and probably take trips even married. It does produce a very sweet and wholesome image of two high profile actors and multi millionaires who in spite of probably being able to buy enough books to last a lifetime, still go to the library once or twice a month and have dates there because a single trip there resulted in the best thing to ever happen in their lives. Probably going to take their kids there regularly and involve literacy programs as part of their charities.

Besides that Bruce and Carrie probably spend a lot of nights at home just quietly reading together and it's just as enjoyable an experience as any movie date.
 
True OG Bruce is a pretty lean dude, but considering he's in peak condition and was described in his pre-Foster workout to have lived and breathed boxing while still keeping up his form training alongside Carrie, I imagine he is significantly more muscular. Not to the level of body builder Arnold, but a prime Olympian and professional boxer, probably something closer to modern boxers and the same body type as Michael B. Jordan as Adonnis Creed. To me the bigger physical issue would be height instead of muscles as Bruce is a humble 6'1, but I think if Bruce puts on the right performance he can substitute figure for charisma and still make for a great Conan. At this point in time Bruce should be close to becoming a Heavyweight and just as ripped as any other 80s action star.
He can totally bulk up, but the problem is, he dosen't have the training to do that.

At least yet.
Besides that Bruce and Carrie probably spend a lot of nights at home just quietly reading together and it's just as enjoyable an experience as any movie date.
One thing I always think of is how they just spend time together.

Mostly they just read, watch movies, play board games... they just act like normal people.

Sure they sometimes get a little steamy and handsy, but they are a normal couple, and that is normal for newly weds.
 
True OG Bruce is a pretty lean dude, but considering he's in peak condition and was described in his pre-Foster workout to have lived and breathed boxing while still keeping up his form training alongside Carrie, I imagine he is significantly more muscular. Not to the level of body builder Arnold, but a prime Olympian and professional boxer, probably something closer to modern boxers and the same body type as Michael B. Jordan as Adonnis Creed. To me the bigger physical issue would be height instead of muscles as Bruce is a humble 6'1, but I think if Bruce puts on the right performance he can substitute figure for charisma and still make for a great Conan. At this point in time Bruce should be close to becoming a Heavyweight and just as ripped as any other 80s action star.
I just don't see it. Yes, he might be more muscular, but the image of Conan as I've seen him in movies, cartoons and comics is just so different from what we've seen of Bruce that they just don't fit. He'd make for a great Solomon Kane in my opinion, but perhaps we can wait until we have the rights to continue this debate.

But i do want to finish by saying that in this case we should not be trying to mak Bruce the lead in every single one of the franchsies that will be succesful, just some of them. And I think Conan should not be one of them.

Besides, Arnold as Conan is pretty awesome in my mind.
You do bring up a good point about us not doing Dune, and to me I wouldn't mind if we missed major opportunities because Bruce has certain biases and opinions that would make him steer away from potential gold mines and commercial greatness. After all, we have meta knowledge, but Bruce doesn't and there can only be so many gut feelings and pushes to stuff that Bruce would have no context for. I imagine you can make conflicting arguments for Bruce liking or not liking Dune as he probably would have read it before his return to the Church and liked it, but a reread after regaining his faith might alienate him from the story and make him consider it to be weird or bad. Bruce would probably be cool with non-Christian themed literature or those based around other religions, but something that actively attacks what he believes in might rub him the wrong way. Although I think OG Dune is fine but it's Messiah onward where it gets heavily preachy and tends to make enemies of readers who disagree with Herbert's beliefs and themes.

Although if we want a Lucasfilm Dune that doesn't involve Bruce's earnest support, we could have George be the one to push for it or some producer or director aligned with the company wants their shot. I don't think Bruce would care unless the story is overtly anti-Christian. No matter what though I would at least like to settle the beef between Frank and George.

In the end, I'm not too married to doing a Dune movie and honestly it seems like something to be done just for the sake of art as the most recent Dune barely made a profit and has little cultural or popular impact, and the sequels after Children of Dune are near unadaptable. If people want to pursue Dune I'm fine, but let's build up Star Wars and a proper foundation first.
I'm not saying we shouldn't push to make Dune, but I am saying that I'm not sure how much would Bruce feel that his newfound faith would support making the film. On th eone hand he doesn't seem to have ny problem with the concept of The Force as explained by George Lucas, then he should not have that much problems with the Bene Gesserit or at least the first book. Afterwards we should take a "wait and see" approach for each book.

Personally, I want us to make the movie, I want us to put the entire series either on film or TV, and give the beautiful message that I saw at the end of the book, one where mankind can be free to choose their own destiny away from any and all manipulations. But for that, I think we'll ahve to speak with Frank Herbert and hear what he has to say about it and make sure we can work with him just as much as he can work with us.

Also, I think I already told my idea for where to take Iron Lung, so I hope we can buy that script from our sister next turn.
 
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