Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

Arkeus · May 22, 2017

Thor's Twin said:
My thinking is that we would still need to talk to Li Suyin and Su Ling next to get them to allow permission, and I would rather spend that time commiserating with Li Suyin on her failure and making sure that she isn't leaving the sect.

Ah. I don't think this is a either/or thing, but I can see why you'd think she might need a week before we try the merge. I myself am more worried about Han Jian and co being more and more behind, and I think getting them to the vent now would 'seal' our alliance and their help toward Su Ling and Li Suyin.

mrttao · May 22, 2017

Arkeus said:
Ah. I don't think this is a either/or thing, but I can see why you'd think she might need a week before we try the merge. I myself am more worried about Han Jian and co being more and more behind, and I think getting them to the vent now would 'seal' our alliance and their help toward Su Ling and Li Suyin.

it would certainly help.

yrsillar · May 22, 2017

mrttao said:
Once we breakthrough to silver we cannot use an awesome pill that gives +9 dice. so, delaying it to make max use of pull by training things that benefit from it would be useful. If we do extra training of argent soul this week we could get that +9 bonus multiple times. My proposed plan for example has us getting 4 copies of that +9 bonus from that pill

@yrsillar
1. Is there a cap on how high you can train Qi quantity?
2. Is there a benefit to training Qi quantity up before raising cultivation level?
3. Argent soul says we get bonus to training Qi quantity up to X. is that u to a bonus of +X, or is it up to X exactly? that is, if we raise our Qi quantity by raising our cultivation level or opening a meridian or raising our cultivation art do those bonuses to Qi quantity count against the X value and could push us high enough so we lose the bonus?

It counts the base qi only not any bonus you have, there is no cap on qi, but it does get kinda grindy if you push it too far. There are some benefits to having lots of qi pre cultivation breakthrough though

Neptune said:
@yrsillar - could you go into some depth about cultivation arts for me please, as they're confusing? The only things I've seen mentioned have come from other participants, not from you, so it'd be incredible if you could clarify considering we're nearing yellow and unlocking our unique one. Others have mentioned only able to have one, so do we forget Argent Soul if we learn the new one and just keep the permanent benefits? If so, is it even worth pushing to 100 successes (which will take a considerable investment of time and AP) to solely get the permanent bonuses given we'll effectively be missing out on the bonuses the art itself gives. Opportunity cost also comes into play too, as the AP that went there could instead be spent acquiring permanent bonuses elsewhere whether that's leveling Eight Phase Ceremony or our other arts.

You may only have one equipped at a time. It doesn't disappear if unequipped though, you just don't get any bonuses except the permanent ones until you re-equip it, which can only be done between turns. So yeah it is an opportunity cost thing.

tenchifew · May 22, 2017

Bai's social skills are somewhere around where Ling Qi started.
I really do not want her to go house hunting alone, I fear it would end... Badly...

We really should try to break through this week, thus two silver break through actions this week.

We need to speak to Li Suyin, otherwise it might be too late.
That we can do it on the vents is a bonus. I want us to be in a position for a yellow break through next week, thus spiritual cultivation.

These are 4 actions we really need to take in my opinion.
The last one is open to debate.

Thor's Twin · May 22, 2017

Arkeus said:
Ah. I don't think this is a either/or thing, but I can see why you'd think she might need a week before we try the merge. I myself am more worried about Han Jian and co being more and more behind, and I think getting them to the vent now would 'seal' our alliance and their help toward Su Ling and Li Suyin.

That is a concern, especially with the likes of Fan Yu. However, I was thinking of doing the merge next week with the addition of breakthrough. If we talk to Gu next week, invite Han Jian and his corp over if that settles some differences, it would nicely seal the alliance and allow them plenty of time to catch up with us. I don't think waiting a week will be detrimental to their positions or thoughts about us, and we have pressing matters to do this week.

All in all, I think a contentious point is going house shopping with Meizhen or talking with Xiulan. I could go with either, but I would rather be with Meizhen to make sure that she doesn't make her position in the sect worse.

mrttao · May 22, 2017

yrsillar said:
It counts the base qi only not any bonus you have, there is no cap on qi, but it does get kinda grindy if you push it too far. There are some benefits to having lots of qi pre cultivation breakthrough though

Huh... interesting.

Could we get a chance to go ask the elder what kind of benefits those are? or maybe bai?

and just to clarify, those are benefits we cannot acquire later on if we raise our qi later, we have to delay our breakthrough to get the Qi now?

and those benefits are not "easier breakthrough" but "some sort of permanent bonus"?

Thor's Twin · May 22, 2017

mrttao said:
and just to clarify, those are benefits we cannot acquire later on if we raise our qi later?

I can't imagine that we don't have the minimum necessary to get the bonus for the qi. We were complemented by Elder Su that we have raised our qi more than any other student in years. That has got to say something. We also have the amount of qi that the monsters had at the beginning of the quest and they were late yellow.

tenchifew · May 22, 2017

mrttao said:
Huh... interesting.

Could we get a chance to go ask the elder what kind of benefits those are?

and just to clarify, those are benefits we cannot acquire later on if we raise our qi later?

Ok, just to bring it up, we could wait till the next tea session to break through, training arts and AS in the mean time.

I do not think it a very good idea, but it would be most optimal way if we only look at the dice.

We would be very vulnerable in the meantime though.

Arkeus · May 22, 2017

Thor's Twin said:
All in all, I think a contentious point is going house shopping with Meizhen or talking with Xiulan. I could go with either, but I would rather be with Meizhen to make sure that she doesn't make her position in the sect worse.

I don't think Bai Meizhen is that unsocial, tbh. I think it's more of a "it would give us a benefit" to go with her, and not "it will be a penalty" not to.

mrttao · May 22, 2017

Thor's Twin said:
I can't imagine that we don't have the minimum necessary to get the bonus for the qi. We were complemented by Elder Su that we have raised our qi more than any other student in years. That has got to say something. We also have the amount of qi that the monsters had at the beginning of the quest and they were late yellow.

In xianxia there is typically a thing where you want to have as good a foundation as possible in every level before breakthrough for your long term future as a cultivator. that good foundation being "make your qi pool as big as it can go for your current level" instead of "meet the minimum requirements for next level".

And when we asked the elder about that in relations to raising AS, she confirmed that we want to raise AS to 4 FIRST and then reach late red. otherwise the rewards are lower

So, it is entirely possible that this trope exists here and that we would get some sort of permanent missable benefit if we delay our breakthrough to widen our qi pool

on the other hand, it could just be that we could breakthrough now and catchup later with qi pool size

Grosstoad · May 22, 2017

Hmm, I have been missing pings from people quoting me for a while... Does editing in a username or a quote later on does not ping said user?

Just in case, @yrsillar, is shopping for a talisman also a free action?

Is it possible to get a list this week, realize you don't have enough stones, suddenly earn more stones after leaving the market, and put a plan to shop only to realize that the item is gone?

Thor's Twin · May 22, 2017

tenchifew said:
Ok, just to bring it up, we could wait till the next tea session to break through, training arts and AS in the mean time.

I do not think it a very good idea, but it would be most optimal way if we only look at the dice.

We would be very vulnerable in the meantime though.

Yeah, I would have to agree with your point that it would not be a good idea. There comes a time when being optimal gets in the way of it being good. Also, we need to breakthrough sooner rather than later because the sect is our current enemy, we need to get the strength to come up on top of these challenges.

Katreus · May 22, 2017

First: WE SURVIVED. YAY!

Also, those were some bad rolls for the other side's archers. Lucky for us!

Hrm. Emerald Seas Province is a border province, and it doesn't look like the Empire deliberately places people away from their homes (i.e. we're at Argent Sect and not another Sect). So, our military service is likely to be on this border, which makes us a resource for ES (and Cai Renxing's family) in general if we survive / flourish.

I do wonder if that's a thing though - if CRX has access to the student files of those from her province. I mean, it does look like there are people who send their children here even if they aren't nobles (see Li Suyin) so I don't think it can necessarily be assumed that any given student is a citizen of her province. Or maybe it's just the more simple explanation - that CRX spent an action figuring out our status / background / history, such as can be known by the Sect or others.

Arkeus · May 22, 2017

mrttao said:
So, it is entirely possible that this trope exists here and that we would get some sort of permanent missable benefit if we delay our breakthrough to widen our qi pool

The point is that we already have Qi that is outside the norms. My thought is that we'll get something like base qi/2 bonus Qi or some such. So it would be nice to get to 24 first, but let's not aim for 26. Hell, I am hoping we get the +1 first from the cultivation increase, so we don't even have to.

Felius · May 22, 2017

Awesome update. That said, I'm terrible with Chinese names, so who were the people who just saved us again?

mrttao · May 22, 2017

Katreus said:
Also, those were some bad luck rolls for the other side's archers. Lucky for us!

Were they bad luck? it looked to me like we had twice as many dice to dodge as they had to hit.

Arkeus · May 22, 2017

@Katreus, having 4 success with 10 dice is average. The enemy archers had average rolls, and so did we.

FixerUpper · May 22, 2017

Ahhhhhh shite, sorry to bring up yet another complicating factor - I don't think anyone's mentioned it (or if it was mentioned, I missed it, 2 AM here, yadda yadda I'm off to bed), but sect points are still a thing.

We probably need to complete quests and so on in exchange for various pluses to our cultivation roll. I'm not awake enough right now to be able to speculate what the 'privileges' that were referred to earlier are, but if they're anything like Elder Zhou's advanced class, we need them because other people are going to have them.

mrttao · May 22, 2017

Felius said:
Awesome update. That said, I'm terrible with Chinese names, so who were the people who just saved us again?

I am also terribad with chinese names. to be honest the fault lies with the chinese names. Not enough syllables for uniqueness

FixerUpper said:
Ahhhhhh shite, sorry to bring up yet another complicating factor - I don't think anyone's mentioned it (or if it was mentioned, I missed it, 2 AM here, yadda yadda I'm off to bed), but sect points are still a thing.

We probably need to complete quests and so on in exchange for various pluses to our cultivation roll. I'm not awake enough right now to be able to speculate what the 'privileges' that were referred to earlier are, but if they're anything like Elder Zhou's advanced class, we need them because other people are going to have them.

Sect points are used for
1. buy arts
2. buy items/pills

We plan on stealing 2.
And for 1 we have the jade slip with advanced arts from our test as well as unlimited 1st floor access. So we only need to buy arts at 2nd floor and above. (although, I wonder if yellow soul arts are 1st floor or 2nd floor)

The Nomad · May 22, 2017

yrsillar said:
She would just have to trust that the girls reputation was true to life.

yrsillar said:
as the blue glow on the rearmost girls hands

yrsillar said:
and Ling Qi could feel the other girls qi pulling hungrily

girl's

yrsillar said:
until a single flex of the serpents muscular coils

serpent's

yrsillar said:
despite the failure of their companions spell

yrsillar said:
that seemed to steady his companions hands

companion's

yrsillar said:
blood spurting from his chest as your house mates strange weapon raked

housemate's

yrsillar said:
The mist would fade in a short time if she stopped true,

true? though?

yrsillar said:
A moment later, the dust cleared enough for her to spy it's source

its

yrsillar said:
Much as it is fathers to protect our holy empress

Father's?

yrsillar said:
More importantly, she opened her eyes in time to see her sometimes partners other gigantic fist slam directly into her attackers damnably handsome face.

partner's, attacker's

yrsillar said:
Ling QI managed to straighten up,

Qi

yrsillar said:
and studying the other girls angular features for a moment

girl's

yrsillar said:
If I amy collect my followers…"

may?

yrsillar said:
Ling Qi dipped her head respectfully as the other girls intense gaze passed over her.

girl's

yrsillar said:
Cai Renxiangs gaze burning a hole in her back didn't help either.

Renxiang's

yrsillar said:
While Cai Renxiang exited in a flare of light

while?

Arkeus · May 22, 2017

FixerUpper said:
Ahhhhhh shite, sorry to bring up yet another complicating factor - I don't think anyone's mentioned it (or if it was mentioned, I missed it, 2 AM here, yadda yadda I'm off to bed), but sect points are still a thing.

We probably need to complete quests and so on in exchange for various pluses to our cultivation roll. I'm not awake enough right now to be able to speculate what the 'privileges' that were referred to earlier are, but if they're anything like Elder Zhou's advanced class, we need them because other people are going to have them.

Sadly we don't yet know what the sect quests are. I suspect that @yrsillar is going to have them posted on the board during the next week.

Thor's Twin · May 22, 2017

FixerUpper said:
We probably need to complete quests and so on in exchange for various pluses to our cultivation roll. I'm not awake enough right now to be able to speculate what the 'privileges' that were referred to earlier are, but if they're anything like Elder Zhou's advanced class, we need them because other people are going to have them.

Well, we know they can be exchanged for spirit stones or access to the archives for starters. In my opinion, getting the sect points should probably be used primarily as a way to get into the archives second level, get the Argent Soul II and ZB II. But those are just my thoughts.

We should not exchange them for spirit stones, we have other ways of making spirit stones and privilege points are more valuable for us at the moment.

TheLastOne · May 22, 2017

Arkeus said:
I don't think Bai Meizhen is that unsocial, tbh. I think it's more of a "it would give us a benefit" to go with her, and not "it will be a penalty" not to.

I wouldn't be so sure. She's hated, and we just got introduced to how some of the other students look at her and treat her given the chance. I'm sure she'll find a decent place, but I'm not sure finding that place won't racket up the tension again.

FixerUpper · May 22, 2017

Arkeus said:
Sadly we don't yet know what the sect quests are. I suspect that @yrsillar is going to have them posted on the board during the next week.

So long as we don't have to devote an action to figuring out what they are, s'all good.

yrsillar · May 22, 2017

Grosstoad said:
Hmm, I have been missing pings from people quoting me for a while... Does editing in a username or a quote later on does not ping said user?

Just in case, @yrsillar, is shopping for a talisman also a free action?

Is it possible to get a list this week, realize you don't have enough stones, suddenly earn more stones after leaving the market, and put a plan to shop only to realize that the item is gone?

Yeah as long as its already on the shop list.

The job board will go up after the coming turn, no action necessary

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