Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

Well, they're meant to heal any obvious injuries as far as I am aware. If Sun Liling's bullshit holds anything like Gae Buidhe's bullshit(since there were Lancer comparisons earlier), that can't be healed without the wielder's weapon breaking or something insane like that, I don't think the Elders would heal that or anything non-obvious...

I mean, the only people who know the bullshit that the Sun can pull are the Sun themselves since this only showed up within the very recent generations(Sun and her father and Grandpa). Perhaps the Bai might have a clue, but I doubt it, since their White died.
They are meant to heal injuries which might impair the good standing and ability of disciples. Not obvious means internal, and internal are serious and usually impairing. They literally cannot do anything else without it becoming a political feast for their enemies. And the Lancer comparisons are just that, comparisons.

Like, think about it for a second. If the Sect could not heal their disciples, which such a thing would clearly demonstrate, why would anyone trust their kids with them?

It is also against their self interest to not somehow heal a disciple, because if they are somehow crippled they are likely somehow also forced to reduced speed in cultivation. If the Sect wants to use that disciple as a member of the Sect they must be able to fix this.

There's also the fact that, anything Sun can do as a measly Green goes vippfffft before the might of Violet or Prism elders.

So, no. The idea that Liling can cripple us and the Elders won't heal it is extremely silly.
Adhoc vote count started by BungieONI on Aug 26, 2018 at 8:54 PM, finished with 228 posts and 108 votes.
 
It is a fantastically good domain weapon ability though. Like, think about it, by the time you probably want to recover qi your domain weapon is probably close to breaking anyway, so burning it like that works really well.
it entirely depends on what is needed to repair and re-use the domain weapon.
Best case scenario for Ji Rong : it takes a few hours and lots of Qi to fix it.
Worse case scenario: he permanently destroyed his domain weapon for this one time full-heal.
 
[X] Accept and allow yourself to be taken to the infirmary

Fire doesn't burn Wood, it Melts Metal. Wood isn't wood, it's Wood.

Wood creates fire, which means fire element should have an advantage over wood element, if this is classical Taoist element theory. It's probably something else, as elements outside of the imperial few like Heaven and our very own Moon and Music are a thing, rather than sub-elements in the above diagram.
 
Wood creates fire, which means fire element should have an advantage over wood element, if this is classical Taoist element theory. It's probably something else, as elements outside of the imperial few like Heaven and our very own Moon and Music are a thing, rather than sub-elements in the above diagram.
Wood and Fire have a creative relationship, not a destructive one. They work well together, basically. They're not opposed at all. "Water overcomes Fire" is the type of relation you're positing, not "Wood generates Fire".

Anyway, the Wood and Fire here are indeed the Wuxing elements. The Imperial elements come from Bagua or the Trigrams. Moon/Sun, Music, Blood, Darkness, Life, Death, Light, and whatever Li Suyin's got are other non-traditional qi elements that have shown up.
 
Ahh... Ji Rong. It was actually the other way around! You might have been stronger than us. It is... unfortunate that you failed, again. I'm sensing a pattern here.
I think this fight was pretty conclusive evidence that we're stronger at the moment.

Ji Rong won initiative at melee range against Ling Qi. While Ling Qi was by herself and had no spirit expressed. That's about the best setup he could ask for going against Ling Qi. Mechanically I think it's either the same as pulling off a point blank ambush or quite close to it.

Ling Qi made three or four bad tactical decisions in the first eight rounds of the fight. Ji Rong, as far as we can tell, didn't make any mistakes. This is justified by the fact that Ling Qi has a complicated build she's still figuring out while Ji Rong's tactics are fairly straightforward, but still worth noting.

Given a situation tilted heavily in his favor and an opponent who was screwing up half the time while he made flawless decisions, Ji Rong managed to... bloody her nose.

He has the Talent to catch up in the future but right now the strength advantage belongs to Ling Qi.
 
Wood and Fire have a creative relationship, not a destructive one. They work well together, basically. They're not opposed at all. "Water overcomes Fire" is the type of relation you're positing, not "Wood generates Fire".
Which I infer to mean that Wood has a hard time suppressing fire. Unlike the Aristotelian elements where each element has a single opposite and is kind of neutral towards the other two, in the Wu Xing each element/phase has a relationship with the other four.
 
[X] Accept and allow yourself to be taken to the infirmary
We have a shot to pull this off, provided Zhengui does not give Dharitri a vector to fucking infect him with like some kind of invasive tree rot like what happened to Lanhua.
Well...she sucks blood. He has lava blood so...it might suck.
Well, we know that his domain weapon isn't a weapon that focuses on enhancing his bum rushing skill, but rather counters an aspect of an attrition style build. I mean... who else do we know would be able to drag on a fight into an attrition style in the Sect? Kang Zihao, Bai Meizhen, and then us. I can't think of another person on the outer sect that would be able to push his offense back into an attrition style game and then possibly come out on top. Gan certainly wasn't able to, and Ji Rong didn't even feel threatened enough to pull out his domain weapon against him, even when Gan used his.

So yes, it does fill up a hole in his build, but it is a hole that only a faint few would be able to actually exploit, one of them on his side of the conflict. I find it hard to believe that his well-developed build would choose to go for a domain weapon that would help deal with that hole without contemplating if that hole was worth filling and who would be able to exploit it. He was clearly concerned enough about this hole in his build that he devoted the resources to get an exemplary means of filling it, or Sun did, and that demonstrates that he was concerned about this hole being exploited.

This means that he is using his domain weapon slot not to enhance his own prowess or offensive power, but to stop a hole in his build from being exploited because he believes that if the flaw is exploited he will do worse in the fight and might lose. Only Ling Qi or Bai Meizhen are individuals that might have the ability and reason to exploit the flaw, and really Ling Qi is the only person he would need to be concerned about if he had an inkling on how the brackets would shake out.
Overthinking it. Back when we chose domain weapons it was pointed out that most people pick domain weapons to cover their lacks. Tanky Meizhen has an offensive DW, Strikey Ji Rong has a defensive DW.
Wood and Fire have a creative relationship, not a destructive one. They work well together, basically. They're not opposed at all. "Water overcomes Fire" is the type of relation you're positing, not "Wood generates Fire".

Anyway, the Wood and Fire here are indeed the Wuxing elements. The Imperial elements come from Bagua or the Trigrams. Moon/Sun, Music, Blood, Darkness, Life, Death, Light, and whatever Li Suyin's got are other non-traditional qi elements that have shown up.

What happens when you use Wood on Fire is that Fire gets stronger. Thats pretty much it.
 
Which I infer to mean that Wood has a hard time suppressing fire. Unlike the Aristotelian elements where each element has a single opposite and is kind of neutral towards the other two, in the Wu Xing each element/phase has a relationship with the other four.
What happens when you use Wood on Fire is that Fire gets stronger. Thats pretty much it.
Well, I misread then. But I have another objection to the new/correct reading.

The cycle's not absolute. Another basic principle is that an excess can reverse each cycle. Too much Wood can overcontrol Fire, like if you try to skip tinder when making a campfire. You can drown a tree, or break a levee, even though Water feeds Wood and is diverted by Earth. Dhartiri vs. Zhengui is definitely in this category.
 
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[x] Decline, you can suffer a little pain to support your friends
 
[x] Decline, you can suffer a little pain to support your friends
a lopsided grin spreading across his face as he raised his fists into a guard stance. "Gonna break your face now."
stars exploded in her vision, and she felt something in her face snap. She tasted blood on her lips as she retreated
How long had it been since she her nose had been broken?
What a honest young man. Does exactly what he says he'll do. :D
 
Well, I misread then. But I have another objection to the new/correct reading.

The cycle's not absolute. Another basic principle is that an excess can reverse each cycle. Too much Wood can overcontrol Fire, like if you try to skip tinder when making a campfire. You can drown a tree, or break a levee, even though Water feeds Wood and is diverted by Earth. Dhartiri vs. Zhengui is definitely in this category.
Again, not reading it right and adding a lot of wrong system baggage. Theres two main types of relationships:
-Augmenting - Wood Augments Fire. Wood makes Fire stronger. Wood itself is not necessarily affected.
-Restraining - Wood Restrains Earth. Wood makes Earth do things other than Earthly things.

We can ignore the Excess portion, because everyone present are peers and so they don't pack enough dakka to actually get to the overloaded point. The important part here is that these are innate to the types of actions that each one does. You don't need a special elemental advantage as long as they are doing In Theme Things.

What does this mean for what we saw?

Dhartiri vs Lanhua:
-Lanhua uses an Earth defense, which relies on enduring and shrugging off attacks via a Bonus Health Box/Health Regen strategy. Basically this relies on the defender spending less energy on undoing or ignoring the damage than the attacker spends.
-Dhartiri uses a Wood offense, which relies on leaching resources from the opponent using a Damage Over Time strategy to recharge Dhartiri. In addition, we know Wood attacks uses a lot of unhealable or ongoing damage.

Result is clear. Lanhua's strategy is hard countered because it just feeds Dhartiri. We broke Lanhua the same way ourselves by leeching to death.

You don't need special type advantage powers. Just the willingness to use agonizing damage over time effects.

So what about Dhartiri vs Zhengui? The same leeching roots strategy isn't a winner, because Zhengui uses a Wood/Fire strategy of regenerating low damage hits cheaply and burning away anything that gets onto his shell. It comes down to a straight power contest...which Dhartiri is probably going to win.

...and then Zhengui explodes. While she's rooted in him.
Dodge THAT. :D
 
I honestly think that that is possibly the best way to take her out.

It's just that we can't plan for it since we wouldn't want to use our baby as a suicide bomber like that.
Well, we don't need to plan for it.
As Shen Hu said. "That was not necessary"
Liling didn't NEED to smash his spirit beast via an excruciating means of defeat. She did it because she could. Hell, Shen Hu didn't even cross her, ever.

Everyone knows Ling Qi dotes on Zhengui, and that is all the reason she'd need to pull the same stunt by packing Zhengui with aggravated damage lifeleech.
So pretty much I expect this to literally blow up in her face.
 
Well, we know that his domain weapon isn't a weapon that focuses on enhancing his bum rushing skill, but rather counters an aspect of an attrition style build.
The thing is, a stronger bum rushing skill would have helped him a lot more against us than the heal did. If he had been able to hit harder or make his stuns stick, he could have been able to knock us out before we bogged him down in debuffs. As it was, he went from being fatally debuffed with no health/qi to being fatally debuffed with full health/qi, which really isn't much of a change as far as eventual outcomes go.
 
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