Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

Also the bit about Shenhua and Cai Renxiang serves as a wake up call following the earlier talk in the thread about Ling Qi prospering under the Cai and maybe helping in an expansion effort. It's obvious ever since we picked the CRX route that Shenhua is going to be the end boss.
 
Hangwind I would be more civil if the thread hasnt literally been hashing out the Gank Dharitri approach for about a month now
Okay? Your point?
And now you're presenting a half baked version of it as if its some bolt from the blue.
Half-baked. Something that I've been carefully thinking about the consequences of since the start of the tournament is half-baked.

Oh yes, dealing with you is such a joy.
Youve read the thread, you follow the discussion, and honestly i look upon plagiarism with some faint sense of distaste.
"Plagiarism". Interesting. Something that you admit has been bandied about for quite some time now in the forum group is being "plagiarized". In the words of Princess Bride: You use that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
Don't ask me to be civil when you're in the middle of doing a cheap knockoff of one of my plans, alright? Thats...way ruder then my dipping into foul language.
AND HERE'S THE PROBLEM! You think you own the idea.

It's always interesting dealing with you TehChron. You do make the threads you are in more lively. Almost never better mind you, but more lively.
 
It wasn't enough though, Ji Rong was back in her face in an instant, the scent of his burning sandals reaching her nose as he landed lightly a top Zhengui's shell, a quick jab snapping Zhen's head back, and away while his follow up caught her in the shoulder, his fist shrouded in blinding actinic light.

I am super excited for the time that zhengui is big enough that we can his on his shell. Just blink into the canyons that his shell has and force enemies to try and find us while they are being burned from the shell.
 
Sticky Fingered Whirlwind.
For the drugs!
Sure, but that's not the point. One week we might do a Ranshu Raid, the next we'll be hiring tutors, the following we'll be hanging with our recluse friends in the woods. One battle we might approach as a rolling tide, the next as an unbreakable wall, and the next as a powerful counter fighter.

Whereas Dhartiri has precisely one mode: impale and devour. It's notable that she used the exact same tactics against the boar spirit in the first round.
 
Ok, I will go over the problems with Worms now, and why we have made the decisions we've made with them.

The big problem with worm strats is that they're really easy to shut down if you have decent AoE. We, for instance, would just wipe them all out and recover qi at the same time. Chu Song would just blow them all away - hence why we didn't think about using them against her. One of the key reasons we thought that they could work well against Ji Rong was that he had never been shown to use AoE attacks, and had instead focused on going after the leader while ignoring mooks. This created an opportunity for us.

Against Sun, however, this opportunity does not exist as well. Dharitri in particular is a big problem, as she can likely just lock all of them down and take them apart before they can do anything. Moreover, after what we did to Ji Rong, she's going to be on the lookout for us trying to pull things with worms, and will probably shut them down immediately to stop us getting clever.

We did discuss going for a PC/Worms strat against her to try to land a good hit. This wasn't necessarily because we thought it would have a good chance of working mind, but just because we didn't really have anything better to try against her, since we probably can't land anything without extra buffs.

Cai's buff card however gives us new, and arguably more reliable, options. Hence it is probably better if we look at using that instead.

Broadly, we have two possible approaches here:
  1. Tank up, and then if we're still alive try to spike up and blow up Dharitri
  2. See if we can land a good hit on Sun in turn 1, and then get wrecked like we did against Meizhen
Personally I favor the defensive path.
 
"Plagiarism". Interesting. Something that you admit has been bandied about for quite some time now in the forum group is being "plagiarized". In the words of Princess Bride: You use that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
Is that right?

TehChron07/31/2018

Everyone
I have a plan
For how to advance the fight against Liling
In the direction we want


Graves07/31/2018

I imagine that would have messed with Meizhen something fierce.


TehChron07/31/2018

And unlike the escape talisman [REDACTED]

Graves07/31/2018

Since we would have dissappeared


TehChron07/31/2018

its something we can feasibly manage


AbeoLogos07/31/2018

We should call her a knave and bite upon our thumb at her


TehChron07/31/2018

Even BETTER


AbeoLogos07/31/2018

[Oversied Emoticon]

Graves07/31/2018


by the way if anyone wants to use that for an omake idea feel free


TehChron07/31/2018

We go through the normal cycle of nonsense
Make it look like we're buffing up the death field


AbeoLogos07/31/2018

It's okay @Graves. We'll get killed by spirits one of these days


TehChron07/31/2018

But make sure that Dharitri is drowned under as many debuffs and combatants as possible


AbeoLogos07/31/2018

The dream will be real


TehChron07/31/2018

Then
Disengage once me manage to snag Liling with Dissonance
and use HC to gank the Dharitri


Graves07/31/2018

is that possible?


TehChron07/31/2018
Shes not a domain weapon
And we did it to Kang's dog during Thunderdome 2.0


AbeoLogos07/31/2018

She's worrisomely sturdy from what we've seen


TehChron07/31/2018

Also Lanhua
Yeah


AbeoLogos07/31/2018

But I'm down with bullying plants, sure why not


TehChron07/31/2018

But thats why I want to hit Liling with dissonance and smother her in debuffs


Tarroyn07/31/2018

That's a good point, dharitri might not have semiperfect


TehChron07/31/2018

Because whatever S. Def crap shes gonna have is gonna be courtesy of Liling
So a MA-boosted HC gank
While she's already dealing with Zhengui and the Horror, and maybe even the worms as well

It's gone through several permutations since then
I am just porting a idea that discord had to fight against Sun.
I'm a little concerned about this. Mainly, about who decides what is Appropriate. If it's Cai, will Renxiang know that a S. Attack buff is what would be most useful to us? If it's Ling Qi, how much of the thread's planning for Hentai Mosh Pit and Gank Dharitri will filter to Ling Qi so she can request an appropriate art?

Is it very likely CRX doesn't have a good spiritual buff art? Her "KNEEL TO ME" art certainly sounds like a spiritual attack.

All in all, I'd feel more comfortable with the vote if it included 'try to get S. Attack buff if possible' instead of just trusting to 'get what's appropriate'.
Thats less of an issue when it increasingly looks like our Liling fight is going to basically go something like "Gank Dharitri -> Survive as long as humanly possible"

And even that is assuming that Meizhen isnt the one to make it to the Finals instead. Either way, appropriate per Renxiangs judgement is best.
Definitely adds support to the 'Gank Dharitri' plan.

I am fully aware of what the definition of plagiarism is, Hangwind, and we've been discussing it on and off in thread and on the discord for the past month.

You don't just get to say "Oh I've been coming up with this plan for x amount of time! I came up with it first!"

It's rude because it implies not only that all of our hard work is invalid in your eyes, but it also shows that you don't really pay attention to the conversations which the rest of us have as we work hard to iron these things out. The Escape Talisman thing along with the conditional worm usage was literally what I wrote out on the discord a month ago before we settled on the Full Tank -> Horror + Zhengui vs Dharitri -> Use CRX Qi Card on Dharitri -> Throw everything we've got at Dharitri approach we've worked out since then.

Like...you're either a month late to the party and acting like this is some new idea which is rude because it shows you dont pay attention to the conversation before jumping into it, or you're rude because you're literally committing plagiarism by trying to take credit for other peoples hard work, even if unknowingly.

If you have proof that you literally did sit on this idea for over a month, then feel free to present it and I will gladly apologize for my presumption. But barring that, I shall stand by what I've said.

AND HERE'S THE PROBLEM! You think you own the idea.

It's always interesting dealing with you TehChron. You do make the threads you are in more lively. Almost never better mind you, but more lively.
No, but I always give credit where it's due.

Always, without fail, because peoples efforts and innovations deserve to be recognized by those who benefit from them.
 
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You...do realize I have literally never been on the Discord, right? Like, I don't even have a Discord account? So, let's ignore that nonsense, shall we?
I am fully aware of what the definition of plagiarism is, Hangwind, and we've been discussing it on and off in thread and on the discord for the past month.
Nevermind, I can't, because it's literally 90% of your argument.
you don't really pay attention to the conversations which the rest of us have as we work hard to iron these things out.
You mean the conversations I wasn't involved in?
The Escape Talisman thing along with the conditional worm usage was literally what I wrote out on the discord a month ago before we settled on the Full Tank -> Horror + Zhengui vs Dharitri -> Use CRX Qi Card on Dharitri -> Throw everything we've got at Dharitri approach we've worked out since then.
So...almost entirely a different plan? With only the final goal of "Dead Spirit" being the same?

Let's recap. We have two entirely different plans, with most of the conversation on yours in a place I never go or participate in, on a public forum. Nope, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Out of curiosity, have you never wondered why so many people that you interact with end up hating your guts?


To anyone else, it's currently 2:31 where I am. Have a good night.
 
@Hangwind seems to have based his plan on the most recent update.

In my mind, that makes it more relevant and less theoretical than plans from months ago.
 
...Only it didn't. Ling QI grimaced, restraining the urge to rub her eyes as the spear simultaneously struck Shen Hu's shield and warped past it, it's straight arc bending at a sharp angle once, and then again to shoot past his defense and dig a bloody line across the wide eyed boys shoulder
Hoo, this is an interesting art. As displayed, this is a counter Domain Shield tech, punishing those who offload their defenses to something else. (In other words, Xuan Shi's Talisman project is utterly worthless in the face of this. It's good for him and his that Savage Seas and Red Sun Garden don't share a border. They'll get wrecked face to face against the barbarians of the west.)

Presumably, this can also be used against bodyguards using a defend other tech, ensuring that the only people who can withstand this barbarian art are those who have focused on fortifying their own bodies. Like, for example, the Bai, who are renown for their emphasis on their defensive abilities. It was always apparent that the way the Bai developed was heavily influenced by the pressure exerted by the western barbarians — the defensive counterattack of Meizhen to counter Sun Liling's offensive flurries, for example — but it appears the Bai's insistence that they can only rely on themselves and can't rely on others was influenced by how the western barbarians' strikes could ignore others to attack the Bai directly.

It seems the Bai don't have an answer to this sort of tech save to develop their own defenses. So, I wonder what answer the barbarians have developed to the Bai's Abyssal Mantle? Sun Liling has demonstrated her ability to shatter armor — which seems like it should fail against perers — as well as simply cutting through the spirit-armor of Shen Hu, which seems like it wouldn't be particularly effective against Meizhen.

In any case, this won't be relevant to our Sun Liling fight: Ling Qi focused on her own defenses, and Zhengui doesn't have any body guarding techs.

her limbs already swaying gracefully through the movements of an eye catching dance even as her rich voice rose in a foreign song.

Ling Qi felt a spike of irritation, watching it.
Ahh, bad memories from Jiao's trial, right. Where Ling Qi and Gu Xiulan headed straight into an ambush by a hunter group containing an insect-woman musician. One of the reasons Ling Qi and Gu Xiulan did so badly in that fight was that Ling Qi couldn't shut down the musician fast enough, if I recall correctly. It'll be no wonder Ling Qi reserves a special irritation at the western barbarians' music.

I wonder how Meizhen would try to counter this? The sunflower field can be shredded by her Abyssal Mantle's attack. Does she rely on Cui to take up the spirit's attentions to prevent her from buffing Sun Liling? Or does she have some sort of buff strip/block in her spiritual debuff tech tree?

Hopefully Ling Qi's previous counter of FVM's elegy would still be capable of countering this sort of field setup. Otherwise, she won't be capable of forcing Sun Liling to show any trumps at all.


[X] Accept and allow yourself to be taken to the infirmary

This opens up the possibility of all Ling Qi's friends lining up to look in at her since she dramatically was swept away. I quite like the idea of Suyin and Su Ling being worried for Ling Qi and looking after her, a reversal from their usual dynamic! Meizhen, Xiulan, maybe even Han Jian? Unlikely, to get all or even some, but I am taken by the image of it all.

Also, Cai Renxiang should have a perfect excuse to get some time to recover from her ordeal with her mother: it would go unquestioned if she looked in after her personal retainer and stayed there for a long time. She'd probably like the excuse at least, even if she doesn't use it.
 
I'd really rather we didn't try to shut down people for having different levels of participation in the thread. Like, that's essentially irrelevant to the merit of any proposal and just generally a toxic attitude which accomplishes nothing but division. It's not rude to not read every post in the thread; that's a childish proposition. Let people participate and make suggestions without demeaning them or jumping down their throat. Please.
 
You...do realize I have literally never been on the Discord, right? Like, I don't even have a Discord account? So, let's ignore that nonsense, shall we?
I then quoted references to it dated on the same day as the discord logs, courtesy of archangis.

My point is that it's been brought up in thread repeatedly as well, so look. I don't really care about the rest of that stuff, Hangwind. You are rather active in the thread discussion, even over the past month so there's no way you would have realistically missed it after it was first introduced.

The idea has been floating around in thread and on discord since then, you're claiming it as your own, and I took offense to that. There's really nothing else to it.
 
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I'd really rather we didn't try to shut down people for having different levels of participation in the thread. Like, that's essentially irrelevant to the merit of any proposal and just generally a toxic attitude which accomplishes nothing but division. It's not rude to not read every post in the thread; that's a childish proposition. Let people participate and make suggestions without demeaning them or jumping down their throat. Please.
That's not what this is about, Hangwind is plenty active in the thread with more than 550 replies.

My offense comes from how he's claiming credit for a rehash of something that's been a part of the thread discussion for the past month, and I think that's extremely rude.
 
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Hoo, this is an interesting art. As displayed, this is a counter Domain Shield tech, punishing those who offload their defenses to something else. (In other words, Xuan Shi's Talisman project is utterly worthless in the face of this. It's good for him and his that Savage Seas and Red Sun Garden don't share a border. They'll get wrecked face to face against the barbarians of the west.)

Presumably, this can also be used against bodyguards using a defend other tech, ensuring that the only people who can withstand this barbarian art are those who have focused on fortifying their own bodies. Like, for example, the Bai, who are renown for their emphasis on their defensive abilities. It was always apparent that the way the Bai developed was heavily influenced by the pressure exerted by the western barbarians — the defensive counterattack of Meizhen to counter Sun Liling's offensive flurries, for example — but it appears the Bai's insistence that they can only rely on themselves and can't rely on others was influenced by how the western barbarians' strikes could ignore others to attack the Bai directly.
I'll note the likely recursive developments here. Like, being super tanky isn't really a Snake thing, the Bais defense is a learned attribute rather than an inborn one(academic difference by now though).

So lets posit a potential growth scenario.
-Proto-Bais are children of the Great Serpent, packing nasty poison attacks
-Barbarians who didn't have some way to resist poison attacks are toast, and replaced by barbarians with life drain as their avenue of coping with Bai poison over time.
-Bais counter Life Drain with Strong Defense, preventing them from leeching cost effectively.
-Barbarians counter Strong Defense with Flurry, punching through Armor and mantle techs with multi-hit
-Bais counter Flurry with Counter, every hit brings an answering blow, negating the life drain.
-Barbarians need alternative counter to Strong Defense now that Counter exists, so they adapt Penetration techniques.

The fear effects likely developed to break hordes cheaply and efficiently.

Mind you, PURE theoretical and not a claim. Just a poke at how things might develop.
 
I then quoted references to it dated on the same day as the discord logs, courtesy of archangis.

My point is that it's been brought up in thread repeatedly as well, so look. I don't really care about the rest of that stuff, Hangwind. You are rather active in the thread discussion, even over the past month so there's no way you would have realistically missed it after it was first introduced.

The idea has been floating around in thread and on discord since then, you're claiming it as your own, and I took offense to that. There's really nothing else to it.
I wouldn't like your argument in the first place because People bring up their own view of the situation in their words shouldn't be shut down(And generally people showing support for your own plan is a good thing), but it's even worse because he isn't supporting your plan he's advocating for the exact opposite of your plan. If you want to be condescending read your own quotes to see that he proposed an alpha strike from the start disguised like we want to do a debuff while you want a debuff followed by an attack. You just started this over nothing.
 
Seeing Dhartiri get to be a more traditional musician during combat does make me a bit jealous. When Sixiang eventually gets bored and we need to find a new moon spirit to replace her I hope we pick someone that can shred people as we sing songs.

Ji Rong really needs to go to the dunce cap corner along with GG. Even if he lost a month to time stop not finding the time to get a spirit really is the biggest failure he could have made. Having a combat spirit to watch his back and keep things from being 6v1 could have made all the difference in this fight.
 
Seeing Dhartiri get to be a more traditional musician during combat does make me a bit jealous. When Sixiang eventually gets bored and we need to find a new moon spirit to replace her I hope we pick someone that can shred people as we sing songs.

Ji Rong really needs to go to the dunce cap corner along with GG. Even if he lost a month to time stop not finding the time to get a spirit really is the biggest failure he could have made. Having a combat spirit to watch his back and keep things from being 6v1 could have made all the difference in this fight.
There is the counter chance she'll stick around, but you are right with the implication that it is in her nature to flutter off at some point. I wonder how a spirit dedicated to healing would work with what we do...

*Goes off to ponder it*
 
Ji Rong's going to have to change his name to "Sakura" after this.


Holding off on voting for now, since I was wondering about something: can't Xin just set up a TV in our room so that we can watch the matches like she did for Snow Mom? We might not be there to support our friends personally, but we'd still be able to watch their matches.
 
I wouldn't like your argument in the first place because People bring up their own view of the situation in their words shouldn't be shut down(And generally people showing support for your own plan is a good thing), but it's even worse because he isn't supporting your plan he's advocating for the exact opposite of your plan. If you want to be condescending read your own quotes to see that he proposed an alpha strike from the start disguised like we want to do a debuff while you want a debuff followed by an attack. You just started this over nothing.
...*sigh*
Her spirit is an uncontrollable, opportunistic predator. I think that it's also a walking weak spot. So, what do we do? First, we run. Use one of our escape talismans, and GTFO. Then we have Zhengui bury himself while we set up as many defensive buffs as we can. Most important is the mist. Then, we start trying to lure Sun Liling to Zhengui for a nice little ambush, or at least that's what we want her to think we're doing. I expect she's going to have some way of tracking us in the mist. Which is fine. We just need to play keep away until the inevitable happens, and her spirit tries to eat Zhengui. Hopefully he'll have all of his armor up by that point. The second the spirit attacks, Zhengui, Ling Qi, and the worms if we have them try to absolutely nuke her. No damage over time or qi draining, just an absolute pure damage fucking.
vs
TehChron07/31/2018

We go through the normal cycle of nonsense
Make it look like we're buffing up the death field


AbeoLogos07/31/2018

It's okay @Graves. We'll get killed by spirits one of these days


TehChron07/31/2018

But make sure that Dharitri is drowned under as many debuffs and combatants as possible


AbeoLogos07/31/2018

The dream will be real


TehChron07/31/2018

Then
Disengage once me manage to snag Liling with Dissonance
and use HC to gank the Dharitri
Let me point out the similarities:
Then we have Zhengui bury himself while we set up as many defensive buffs as we can. Most important is the mist
vs
We go through the normal cycle of nonsense
Make it look like we're buffing up the death field

"Set up our buffs and prep the mist"

We just need to play keep away until the inevitable happens, and her spirit tries to eat Zhengui. Hopefully he'll have all of his armor up by that point. The second the spirit attacks, Zhengui, Ling Qi, and the worms if we have them try to absolutely nuke her. No damage over time or qi draining, just an absolute pure damage fucking.

vs

TehChron07/31/2018

Then
Disengage once me manage to snag Liling with Dissonance
and use HC to gank the Dharitri
"Once we've finished our setup wait for Dharitri to fight our minions, break away from Liling and gank Dharitri with spike damage"

They are literally the same thing.
 
Ji Rong's going to have to change his name to "Sakura" after this.


Holding off on voting for now, since I was wondering about something: can't Xin just set up a TV in our room so that we can watch the matches like she did for Snow Mom? We might not be there to support our friends personally, but we'd still be able to watch their matches.
yeah but the main benefits of the vote is our friends seeing us not us seeing them.
 
Ji Rong's going to have to change his name to "Sakura" after this.


Holding off on voting for now, since I was wondering about something: can't Xin just set up a TV in our room so that we can watch the matches like she did for Snow Mom? We might not be there to support our friends personally, but we'd still be able to watch their matches.
It's uncertain, since that was an omake, even if they were canon.

Likely our friends will be seen by us when they come to visit, and we'll get something of a description from them on what happened and Xiulan will be joining us in a bed for a while.

Myself, I'm just voting on the Decline option because I want to watch Kang get mulched in a front row seat, of a kind.
 
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