The match was a lot closer than it looked.
Ji Rong screwed the pooch when he got timeout, then more timeouts trying to take revenge for timeouts.
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The match was a lot closer than it looked.
Ji Rong screwed the pooch when he got timeout, then more timeouts trying to take revenge for timeouts.
victor janus
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Even if we ignore that he never saw this plan because he wasn't on discord(I am also in this boat) them being the same is not what I saw. You put emphasis on different things then he did. And I already said I don't like your argument even if you are right. What purpose does yelling at somebody who just wrote an analysis plan supporting your ideas accomplish? most people would be grateful. Votes have been saved on less. I don't like your attitude.
victor janus
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Yeah, but we made mistakes of our own. We didn't follow an optimal turn order so he had more opportunities to hit us.
And thats your right.
Just as you have a right to criticize me, so too do I have a right to criticize Hangwind for trying to take credit for stuff that has been discussed amongst the thread for weeks now.
Besides, I was illustrating a point on how your claim of Hangwind's assertions were "literally the opposite of what I said" by quoting what I said specifically. Then pointing out that no, they were in fact the same thing.
As a result I got you to admit that your problem with my own posts had everything to do with you disliking my tone, not being couched in a more salient logic. You became more honest, and thus that comparison served its purpose succinctly.
I'll point out people can come up with ideas *gasp* independently, and participation isn't some kind of monolithic or binary concept. Take me as example, fairly active(in the top 20 by post count), read through the thread regularly, and still got near-zero clue of this plan you're being so possessive of. Until we saw the Shen fight and finished with Ji Rong, it didn't seem worth it to plan specifics against Sun Liling, so I didn't concern myself with any of it. Is this rude or disrespectful? I don't think so.
There's no stakes here, so just be generous with people. It's easier and more pleasant for everyone.
I literally quoted my bouncing the idea off you in the discord, abeo.
It's...it's right there.
It was a lot closer than it looked yes, which is why Ji Rong not having a spirit should fill him with such shame. Hopefully Gan was watching and can have the 'get a spirit' lesson driven home again after seeing the only other relevant spiritless kid lose his fight due to the lack.
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I would be really interested in what spirit Ji Rong will bind. I just can't see someone never binding a spirit because they seem so helpful, impactful, and meaningful. Unfortunately for Ji Rong getting the most out of a spirit means comeing to an understanding with it. This may pose a problem for Ji Rong since you know.. he doesn't seem the best at those interpersonal type things.
victor janus
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Alright fine.
But I see people talking about the same stuff all the time in between updates. All he did was phrase things different. It's not like he crowed about how this plan was "his all his" or got cocky about it. And it's phrased so differently that even looking at them side by side I still think they are different plans in style if not mechanics. So why did you feel like he was mocking you about stealing your plan in the first place.
I don't consider targeting plant lady by itself to be a plan. It's a goal or a loose strategy. A plan would be more specific, with actual specifics, and on that I am, or have been, basically ignorant due to disinterest. Ideas get tossed around all the time, that doesn't mean I'm paying attention to them. The only reason I know what your plan was even about is because you put what it's about in the name you address it by all the time.
And trying to lay claim or stake territory on something as basic as targeting the more vulnerable of two combatants is pretty weak, man.
Even so. Not a failing of his strategy. His strategy worked. He didn't have enough punch behind his punches. A blitzdown is an appallingly straightforward and effective strategy against a very broad range of opponents, and he has an item to deal with the normally shitty sustain of a blitzdown.
Looking at him in completeness now(I assume he pulled every card he had):
-Why didn't he use his Domain Weapon in earlier rounds? He didn't need it. While its a fine defensive domain weapon, its true purpose is a second wind health and qi recovery item, which basically nobody would expect.
-Why was his defense comparatively shitty and we keep seeing him get hit? Because he had his Domain Weapon, it was in his favor for opponents to act unknowing of that, trading blows until he pops the recovery if he loses the blow exchange.
-Why didn't he have any AoEs? Because his strategy is predicated upon punching out the primary target and then blazing it out of there.
-Why is his weapon fists? Because his weapon is brass knuckles, which means he skips the "equip weapon" phase, he immediately can attack. I suspect this ties into one of his arts to activate an out-of-initiative sequence Boomleap attack.
He invested basically everything into striking first, being impossible to disengage with, and simply destroying your face with debuffing hits before your buffs could go up. He's basically a living missile, you fire him at a target, he takes it down...and then he goes down because he's empty of ammo.
Its a weirdly specific build because its mostly useful in a tournament scenario.
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So after pondering it, here's what I think on a healer spirit:
It is sort of helpful with Ling Qi herself. However, given the path she is developing along, getting a healer spirit for her is of less practicality than another spirit which might do something else. Of course it would change if she went along a different path.
Looping back to Ling Qi's origins as a support specialist, then having a healer spirit to help support allies and Ling Qi works much better. If that is their primary role that fills a feature of her build as a supporter which isn't very prevalent thing right now.
If she gets some kind of life trading spirit, which sucks life away from opponents and gives them to her allies and herself it would fit quite well with what she is already doing, giving another avenue on the whole sustain thing she does.
It is somewhat helpful with Zhengui, who even with his armor and defenses is actually looking to potentially become a regenerator more than a straight armor boy. We'll have to see if/how that changes as he gets into and through Green.
So there are versions of a healer spirit which are useful, though for an archetype to aim for I think there are better options. Hanyi's for example, though this is not commentary on acquisition order, just archetypal comparison via how well they "Fit".
It is sort of helpful with Ling Qi herself. However, given the path she is developing along, getting a healer spirit for her is of less practicality than another spirit which might do something else. Of course it would change if she went along a different path.
Looping back to Ling Qi's origins as a support specialist, then having a healer spirit to help support allies and Ling Qi works much better. If that is their primary role that fills a feature of her build as a supporter which isn't very prevalent thing right now.
If she gets some kind of life trading spirit, which sucks life away from opponents and gives them to her allies and herself it would fit quite well with what she is already doing, giving another avenue on the whole sustain thing she does.
It is somewhat helpful with Zhengui, who even with his armor and defenses is actually looking to potentially become a regenerator more than a straight armor boy. We'll have to see if/how that changes as he gets into and through Green.
So there are versions of a healer spirit which are useful, though for an archetype to aim for I think there are better options. Hanyi's for example, though this is not commentary on acquisition order, just archetypal comparison via how well they "Fit".
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Uh...mechanically speaking a spirit would be a straight downgrade for him. Hes a burst alpha striker, he burned through basically his whole fuel tank in 3 turns on us, where he popped a recharge.
Losing 10-20 qi for a good quality spirit(he didn't really have the time to social link down the qi upkeep) would be more likely to cost him the match than save him. His entire play was "I don't need defense if you go down first", and it so nearly worked.
If he had even one extra month to grind qi he'd probably have won on straight facepunch.
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Potentially, though in the comparison if you hold that the worms and our bro were what led to his demise, then having a low grade spirit for some small amount of qi to have his back looks better as a trade.
Um...we already have a healer spirit.
Xuanwu(and turtles/tortoise in general) are symbols of Health.
We have a Wood/Fire Xuanwu, symbolising the purification of taint by fire and the revitalization of wood within the ash.
Zhengui, even at his immature stage, already has an AoE healing move. He's only going to get better at it.
(Incidentally I kind of want to see Liling's reaction to Ashfield Flowering, because its basically Her Thing, except her flowers steal life and Zhengui brings life)
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I don't consider him a healer spirit and did not know they are symbols of Health. I consider him a tank, edging mostly for armor face tanking with a dash of regen in it. (E: For reference to what I would consider a healer spirit, think fragile White Mage)
If it turns out he is then the consideration is pretty moot.
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Naw, for him tempo is everything. Yes, multi-attacker bonus is what led to his demise, but a spirit, especially a weak one won't have prevented that or even reduced that.
What would have worked for him, within his themes?
Picking up an AoE art that did more than "knockback everyone a few feet so I can charge my primary target and cast FIST!".
Like we saw in the mass combat round, he HAD to bypass the mooks, he literally didn't have the energy to fight them efficiently because his flurries were all designed for 1v1. What he needed for his Solar Hero Style is Heaven Thunder Hammer, to isolate an opponent via forced movement, which he could then combo them to death with all his dash arts.
Which incidentally makes Gan's display even more shameful, because Ji Rong is actually specifically weak to Strong Cultivator Behind Mook Wall.
victor janus
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I had to look up the original post to be sure, but he didn't do that so it's all just a misunderstanding.
He didn't burn through his qi, we did. You really don't use much qi unless you're piling up a lot of extra unreduced costs in this system. Damage is what uses up most of it.
Khepri14
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Yikes. Poor Gan. Hopefully we more than made up for that loss of face for the Cai, right?
notanautomaton
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We beat the guy who beat a Cai retainer, got into the final four, and are currently right behind two Ducal scions and the Butcher King's beloved granddaughter. We've done a lot to make up for the loss of face, though it's still hurt CRX.
It goes to show how badly he mangled his social approach over the course of the year. He has higher talent than us and specialized for this particular fight while we specialized away from this type of fight. And he still lost.
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[X] Decline, you can suffer a little pain to support your friends
Something something friends before moms.
Something something friends before moms.
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Khepri14
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Oh, good. We're not gonna get the Cai to lose much face when we get our ass kicked, right? I confess, I don't entirely get the whole face thing, which is why I ask.