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six fucking sockpuppets.

All for the Confess.

I'm not sure if the motivation was "I just want to watch the world burn because I strongly believe this is the choice that will cause the most damage" or if they genuinely thought they were doing a favor. Jesus Christ.

One man literally fabricated that tie when it was supposed to be a firm victory for Stay Silent.

For fuck's sake.

I'd rather lose by a solid margin--even if it pisses me off how it effectively locks the route I wanted to take--then think we won and found out "Nope! You were never winning, and all that bile that was spewed at your thoughts was from the rightful victors"

Because at least then I could have made my peace with it, rather than waste my time explaining my feelings to an uncaring and furious crowd when my feelings were irrelevant from the start, because the feelings of the masses were firmly on the side of "Fuck Renxiang and her Justice" and no amount of my readings could have moved that.

Too good a job making her seem like a robot I guess, which is fine if you don't want to write a complex political story like going on her route would do. Just make it seem like you have to be perfect at every stage or she'll go "BEEP BOOP JUSTICE DEMANDS I DESTROY YOU"
 
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I'm still just in awe at the total lack of self awareness it takes to vote for being honest and upfront while flagrantly cheating like that

Whoever the guilty party is just some kind of a bad joke at this point. Like damn, son. That's an awfully self-serving mindset you've got going on there. Whew.
 
Alectai said:
Because the same arguments that justified keeping our mouth shut will be dragged out again when the choice comes along. Except they'll actually be genuinely legitimate because these will come after Renxiang has been made effectively complicit in the crime.

And if they're convinced beyond any shadow of a doubt that she'd destroy us for what we've already done. Then the logic continues that she would literally murder us for making her complicit.

And ultimately, they won--by a sizable margin too if it's true that the victory for confessing was generated by fucking sockpuppets. If they won here when the consequences were literally as light as they could possibly be, then they can ride that into completely crushing any possibility of going that way, by leveraging the fear of discovery if we sign on with her.

Because there's no such thing as a perfect crime. And the only real defense in that case is distance.
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Eh, remember that we're still cancelling the framejob, which is what really makes Cai complicit.

That being said, I said it before and I'll say it again: clearly the best option here is to run away with Tai to Golden Fields, and flee all our problems. That is the best way to deal with this.
 
@Alectai Perhaps that will be the outcome from this decision, but even if it is the fault lies with the individual who broke the rules not those who voted for a decision legitimately. Also I imagine Ling Qi's dislike for this won't fade, and should at a minimum serve as a moment she resolves to be better than when her past self who got into this situation through her own actions.

Although to be perfectly honest the fact that someone was willing to sock-puppet has done more harm to my support CRX route than any arguments brought up so far, but I still support it.
 
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I mean, with all the grief that this vote has caused I would not be surprised if Ling Qi had a bit of a panic attack at the moment. I fully support a mild mental breakdown right now. I think our composure is too high to make it anything too bad, but I believe we could pull off an acceptable "Deer in the Headlights" for a couple of minutes, or something like 15 while we try to mentally resolve the competing issues.
 
I cannot fucking believe that some asshole basically ruined it for everyone who actually thought it could be interesting. Because it was a narrow enough margin even before this shit happened that I can't see it recovering after some asshole decided to flagrantly cheat to prop it up. An honest defeat might have been recoverable. A fraudulent victory isn't, especially since it won't even stay as a victory, and may even result in a threadwide punishment (Narratively or literally) because this kind of thing shouldn't be tolerated.

Then again, yrsillar's never really made the Renxiang route look terribly appealing beyond mere monetary gain, which is a priority to practically nobody in this game. The fact that so many people are still utterly convinced she's an unthinking JUSTICE robot sort of suggests this she's really not done much to sell her as a nuanced character after all.
 
Alectai said:
Because there's no such thing as a perfect crime. And the only real defense in that case is distance.
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This isn't a perfect crime, but honestly it's a pretty good one. I would feel perfectly safe joining up with Cai despite having this secret. I don't see this as something that will remain dangerous if it gets revealed over the long term, eventually we will reach a point that a childhood wrong just doesn't matter compared to services rendered. Then again I am pretty pro-Cai and didn't actually consider either option a dealbreaker on that front.
 
I've not been on the Cai route train for a while but I don't think that staying silent would kill it, at least not in the sense of the crime coming to light.

To me it seems pretty unlikely this would be found out. The guy in charge of investigating is complicit in it so he can destroy whatever evidence exists no problem. Ling Qi may have the skills for this but she has no possible motive to the public. The problem would have been that the person framed would know that it smells but apparently we aren't even doing that.
 
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Thor's Twin said:
I mean, with all the grief that this vote has caused I would not be surprised if Ling Qi had a bit of a panic attack at the moment. I fully support a mild mental breakdown right now. I think our composure is too high to make it anything too bad, but I believe we could pull off an acceptable "Deer in the Headlights" for a couple of minutes, or something like 15 while we try to mentally resolve the competing issues.
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I'd support it if it was in private, and this had nothing to do with an opportunity for a 1d100 on a fateful encounter table. Nope! :p
 
Alectai said:
I cannot fucking believe that some asshole basically ruined it for everyone who actually thought it could be interesting. Because it was a narrow enough margin even before this shit happened that I can't see it recovering after some asshole decided to flagrantly cheat to prop it up. An honest defeat might have been recoverable. A fraudulent victory isn't, especially since it won't even stay as a victory, and may even result in a threadwide punishment (Narratively or literally) because this kind of thing shouldn't be tolerated.

Then again, yrsillar's never really made the Renxiang route look terribly appealing beyond mere monetary gain, which is a priority to practically nobody in this game. The fact that so many people are still utterly convinced she's an unthinking JUSTICE robot sort of suggests this she's really not done much to sell her as a nuanced character after all.
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Well you're not wrong there

Most of the appeal has been a combination of Bai hype and leaning on people hoping she's closer to her inspiration than CRXs own merits as a prospective employer.

Hence why this vote is even a thing in the first place

Cai just feels supremely artificial. And Very few people see her and go "this is someone I want to emphasize with"
 
Not pro-Cai, but I wouldn't mind joining up honestly. I just don't want to confess our criminal acts to her. If we do end up working for her, I see Ling as the token evil teammate, or at least amoral. Like Fu Xiang said, it might be better for our employer to have deniability. Shady CIA projects and all that could be fun.
 
Is Fu Xiang part of Cai's liege out side of the sect? Because he is the danger now that we have a secret of his, and he is very amoral. He would crush (and/or blackmail) us if it was in his interests to do so.
 
Kipeci said:
I've not been on the Cai route train for a while but I don't think that staying silent would kill it, at least not in the sense of the crime coming to light.

To me it seems pretty unlikely this would be found out. The guy in charge of investigating is complicit in it so he can destroy whatever evidence exists no problem. Ling Qi may have the skills for this but she has no possible motive to the public. The problem would have been that the person framed would know that it smells but apparently we aren't even doing that.
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The issue is without the frame job Ling Qi's alibi is rather flimsy, and well there aren't many cultivators in the outer sect who can avoid Fu Xiang's information gathering, which runs into the issues of CRX not being an idiot.
Wiggin42 said:
Not pro-Cai, but I wouldn't mind joining up honestly. I just don't want to confess our criminal acts to her. If we do end up working for her, I see Ling as the token evil teammate, or at least amoral. Like Fu Xiang said, it might be better for our employer to have deniability. Shady CIA projects and all that could be fun.
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To be perfectly honest Ling Qi would be miserable doing shady CIA missions, and I'd expect CRX route to be more along the lines of FBI investigations.
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Is Fu Xiang part of Cai's liege out side of the sect? Because he is the danger now that we have a secret of his, and he is very amoral. He would crush (and/or blackmail) us if it was in his interests to do so.
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He isn't unless he was lying when he told Qi that he was planning to join a ministry.
 
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Well, that's definitely funny.

Also sect route locked in! I am quite happy about that. Xin best mom. Jiao will be the grumpy grandad we never had.

Also, given that Jiao is a formation specialist, I would advocate for to do some formation work gor the tournament.
 
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Ling Qi will need to explain to Meizhen what happened though. I don't think Meizhen likes the idea of Ling Qi staying with the sect.
 
... Just saying, I voted to keep silent for right now, but if we have an option to confess to Cai later, I'll probably take it then. I just didn't want to sabotage the Renshu investigation this week.
 
I don't see keeping the secret as a real barrier to the Cai route, honestly. I mean, it's not the route I want, but a guilty secret isn't a route-breaker for me. There's no reason it should be... if you're willing to play a complex and flawed character.

No really, this isn't something we connived our way into. We stumbled into our circumstances through a combination of dumb luck and not thinking through all of the consequences of our actions. Actions I was totally cool with, but left our collective and Qi with lingering regrets. We're a dumb teen who dumb teened her way into a conundrum, not a callous jackal nipping at Cai's heels.
 
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I mean, what sort of person attempts to cheat a vote about telling the truth? It's extra frustrating, because if we'd known we were actually losing people might have put more effort into convincing people to switch votes. And this basically kills the Cai route. I don't see how we can go with Cai whilst having this secret, and this was the best possible chance to confess - if we didn't do so now, we sure aren't going to do so in the future.
 
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Epicrandom said:
And this basically kills the Cai route. I don't see how we can go with Cai whilst having this secret, and this was the best possible chance to confess - if we didn't do so now, we sure aren't going to do so in the future.
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I'd wait a bit before declaring Cai route dead. We could always tell her later or something, and this could lead to character development on Ling's part, by her being weighed down by the secret or something.

But yeah, hopefully yrs can still change the winning option at this point without too much rewriting. :/
 
mc2rpg said:
This isn't a perfect crime, but honestly it's a pretty good one. I would feel perfectly safe joining up with Cai despite having this secret. I don't see this as something that will remain dangerous if it gets revealed over the long term, eventually we will reach a point that a childhood wrong just doesn't matter compared to services rendered. Then again I am pretty pro-Cai and didn't actually consider either option a dealbreaker on that front.
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I personally see the Cai's route point about espousing her ideals and being the Rightful and Justice route, where we decide to do the utmost to help her rid the land of corruption.

So, basically, I can't condone getting on that route when we purposefully hid our corrupt acts a few days before accepting to be her vassal.
 
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