This was being discussed in thread though. That's why I asked. It's not like this has no relation to what's going on entirely. Stop being an asshole, dude.
Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)
- Thread starter yrsillar
- Start date
- Original Fantasy
This was being discussed in thread though. That's why I asked. It's not like this has no relation to what's going on entirely. Stop being an asshole, dude.
The mods got their way of checking things.
No offense, but there are a lot of people who do not "get" forums and don't hang out here incessantly and probably wouldn't get an account unless they had to in order to vote. The reader thread makes reading a story great but it does not necessarily teach someone how to forum so to speak.
Ok, my friend says she logged in and got something to the effect of account suspended 3 days, appeal within 3 days. How does she appeal?
- Location
- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
At the top of the page there is a button called staff communication. Click that and it opens a list of options one of which is to make an appeal.
- Location
- Fabulously Rainbow Ireland
Honestly I'm starting to feel the same way a little, if we can't even be honest with Cai over petty shit like this because we're scared of her reaction why the hell would we ever vote to join her when we'll eventually be doing worse stuff behind her back?
- Location
- UK
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Eh, a cover up implies action to conceal the truth. Not coming forward with information that lacks proof doesn't seem to fit. Not like we're hiding evidence or anything like that.
Well. I just think that our obligation to not throw Fu under the bus exceeds our obligation to tell CRX the truth.
- Location
- Canada
Not confessing does have several benefits:
a) When we do face consequences for our actions(an 'overreaction' or not, it has been outright stated that we will, in some form or the other), the thread will become a far worse mess
of festering bitterness than it already is
b) Confessing will devolve the whole conversation/interactions into a long, drawn out mess of social repairs when:
c) We have far too many things on our plate already, and (potentially) making an enemy of Fu Xiang on top of that gets in the way of resolving more important subplots. Betraying the
trust of two people such that both of them know you did it is far worse than having only one unaware person.
of festering bitterness than it already is
b) Confessing will devolve the whole conversation/interactions into a long, drawn out mess of social repairs when:
c) We have far too many things on our plate already, and (potentially) making an enemy of Fu Xiang on top of that gets in the way of resolving more important subplots. Betraying the
trust of two people such that both of them know you did it is far worse than having only one unaware person.
I support the Cai route and will continue to do so in the future, as it is both our best option materialistically and socially, as no route lacking the Meizhen social link is one I am willing to truly accept. I don't mind if Cai is willing to fully commit to overreactions or otherwise be tolerant and caring, I'll stick to her for that reason alone. Getting to know Cai may be a prerequisite for some people around here, but we are perfectly capable of doing so without placing ourselves/the route at any sort of risk, and I'm not willing to do so because, now that I think about it, I realise that I don't care what she is actually like at all.
- Location
- Who Knows
Yeah, originally I voted for truth, but then the second revised update happened and I considered how it would seem for Fu Xiang. If it was Just Our Secret it'd be one thing but incriminating him as well didn't suit my taste. So I voted to keep it quiet the second time around.
- Location
- Fabulously Rainbow Ireland
Fuck Fu Xiang, we have no obligation to help him continue to cover up his crimes by framing an innocent just because he's soooo scared of failing to pass the tournament.
He saved us but that doesn't give him carte blanche on how we were "repaying him", his stupid favor had the potential to fuck up our future especially after we became a Noble.
Well, then that is our stupid fault for agreeing to do the favor. We don't get to blame him for OUR actions.
Xianxa protagonist morality? Check.
Normally framing people for corruption is not considered helping them. Or repaying a favor.
- Location
- Canada
I, for one, completely approve of Fu's choice of favour. It has the potential of improving SuSu's chances of attaining Inner Sect slots, whether or not they would approve or otherwise care overly much about getting them.
Additionally, a crime for which no one has any idea of the culprit, and if left alone at this point would likely end up entirely forgotten by relevant(non-victim) parties? Yes, that does have the potential to ruin our future-especially if someone were to, I don't know, confess to it? Even if Cai doesn't care, we will obtain grudges from those whose projects we ruined, which could be especially bad if any of them happen to have wealthy families. Keeping things secret is likely far less damaging than spreading everything about, far more so now that we have become nobility.
Yeah no, fuck that with the fury of a thousand suns, such drive-by voting is for all intents and purposes sockpuppetting, outrageously insulting to the people who do follow the quest with any regularity.
- Location
- United Kingdom
In all fairness, yrsillar's pretty good about representing contested votes within the narrative (ASA or FSA vote, or when we talked with Xin about how we'd considered her quest for EPC).
So we do still have a base to build off character development wise if we want to go with Cai, it'll just be more difficult.
So we do still have a base to build off character development wise if we want to go with Cai, it'll just be more difficult.
Well I come back and I see that someone was really salty about my vote. But really if you have something to say at least mention me. As for the status quo comment, no I don't want to see the world burn, but I really do want to give Cai a chance, and being sneaky around her won't work. The more we try to tip toe our way around this situation, the more it's going to end up coming down on our heads. Get it out there and if it blows up then we know a lot to more and in the end it's the sect, it's not the end of the world.
- Location
- Oymyakon
I'm not sure how much one person's opinion matters, but I voted for Confess, and I am absolutely for the winner switching after all this. It was a really contentious vote, but I'm still disappointed that people crossed that line.
You don't need to apologize when all you're doing is making sure that the cheater/s don't steal the vote. Otherwise they'd just try again, in spite of the temp bans.
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
Yes, we did agree to do the frame job and the cover up, and thus we did agree to go the whole nine yard about corruption. While as voters we didn't know about the frame job, it was still something Ling Qi agreed to, so there is no doubting that going against it now will be a betrayal of Fu Xiang.
However, well, the frame job and cover are also things that goes against both Ling Qi's own morals and CRX' raison d'être. If we go CRX route, we have to say it... but only if we go her route.
I disagree. I don't think being loyal to Cai means we have to tell her everything. In point of fact, I think it is important that we keep the secrets of the people we work with, even from each other.
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
I think that if we work for Cai we have to tell her things that go against both her and our job. If we work for her our job is to prevent exactly what Fu Xiang is doing, after all.
This is the very corruption she is asking us to work against.
Xicree
Murder.Malice.Might
Silly player... ALL GM love to make you sweat.
... and we love your tears as well.
Yeah... Bad memories of a dragon vote. Best to end it.
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The corruption was coming from inside the thread all aloooooooooooong
- Location
- Philippines
I'm sorry but "petty" is not the word I would use for destroying three people's chances of going to the inner sect.
I disagree strongly with the notion that Cai punishing us harshly makes her 'lawful stupid.' It makes her lawful good.
We committed a crime while being a inner circle council member. We violated the terms of her peace and unlike Ji Rong, actually committed tangible harm to people- harm that won't be fixed by a payment of a few hundred spirit stones. And we were planning on corrupting her very justice apparatus in order to harm a third.
Now you might say that it's better because unlike Ji Rong, we would have confessed and apologized. I'll grant that. But on the other hand, Ji Rong's theft was callous and casual- he probably was acting like all the corrupt cops/guardsmen he encountered in his life and didn't give the petty theft a second thought. Our crime, however, was completely and utterly premeditated.
There's no moral nuance here, either, like some have implied. We didn't steal bread to feed a starving holocaust orphan. We didn't smuggle food to rescue an army. Our motives were selfish.
The only thing going in favor of leniency is our close relationship with Bai, assistance her war, and position in her inner circle. But that almost makes the crime worse by making it a betrayal. And leniency on grounds of personal relationship is exactly the type of corruption and nepotism that Cai says she's trying to to root out.
Now, I don't actually expect her to lock us away for a month, if only because I don't expect the GM would have gone that far, but basically any other punishment is on the cards. I would have expected at the very least loss of all our inner circle benefits- White Room, pull furnace income(she may not confiscate it, she can easily stop giving us generous terms), tax exemptions for us and our friends. That's not to mention all the other relationships this would damage if it became public.
We committed a crime while being a inner circle council member. We violated the terms of her peace and unlike Ji Rong, actually committed tangible harm to people- harm that won't be fixed by a payment of a few hundred spirit stones. And we were planning on corrupting her very justice apparatus in order to harm a third.
Now you might say that it's better because unlike Ji Rong, we would have confessed and apologized. I'll grant that. But on the other hand, Ji Rong's theft was callous and casual- he probably was acting like all the corrupt cops/guardsmen he encountered in his life and didn't give the petty theft a second thought. Our crime, however, was completely and utterly premeditated.
There's no moral nuance here, either, like some have implied. We didn't steal bread to feed a starving holocaust orphan. We didn't smuggle food to rescue an army. Our motives were selfish.
The only thing going in favor of leniency is our close relationship with Bai, assistance her war, and position in her inner circle. But that almost makes the crime worse by making it a betrayal. And leniency on grounds of personal relationship is exactly the type of corruption and nepotism that Cai says she's trying to to root out.
Now, I don't actually expect her to lock us away for a month, if only because I don't expect the GM would have gone that far, but basically any other punishment is on the cards. I would have expected at the very least loss of all our inner circle benefits- White Room, pull furnace income(she may not confiscate it, she can easily stop giving us generous terms), tax exemptions for us and our friends. That's not to mention all the other relationships this would damage if it became public.