Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

Thanks! Aaand corrected. It slipped me by somehow.
For a few more substantive critiques that I just thought of:

I like the idea that Fan Yu was damaged by all the rejection and abandonment and his self-loathing is interesting. But this

It was an ugly thing, that realization. That the selfish, ambitious, distant, almost uncaring version of him was the one that Jian, Xiulan and even Fang seemed to prefer, rather than his generous and caring original self.

Felt a bit like it came out of nowhere. He had previously been going on in his head about how people liked him more because he was less abrasive. Maybe it would have been better to emphasize what he didn't like about his present self- aloofness, ambition, selfishness, earlier so there's more a buildup to that line.
 
Seeing as the thread has gone weird places (again), perhaps it's time for a new omake.

Here is the second part of everyone's favorite protagonist, Fan Yu!

What do you mean he is not your favorite protagonist? All of you guys said he was! Multiple times!

Oh.

You meant least favorite protagonist.

Well, this is awkward.


Fan Yu, The Peggy Sue Chronicles part 2



'Being surrounded at all times by a bunch of brats is infuriating.' Yu thought grumpily as he couldn't help but be irritated by the discordant cacophony on all sides, created by all the first year students nearby going their own way, laughing and giggling, talking and posturing haughtily the way they imagined their elders did.

There was something simply ridiculous about a bunch of snot-nosed brats behaving as if they were the fully-grown adult cultivators, who had the whole world all figured out and theirs for the taking.

'Especially when the brats in question are -barely- teenager versions of your rivals and erstwhile friends. Not to mention *shudder* Xiulan.'

Fan Yu firmly put any thoughts of Xiulan far, far away, at least for this moment, in some distant reaches of his mind ordinarily reserved for all those nasty experiences one sometimes experiences in life, such as drinking a dead camel's blood to prevent death by thirst, or having to explain his future father-in-law what he was doing naked in his winter gardens. The same out of the way part of his brain that only awoke under the influence of strong, mind-addling drugs, or even stronger alcohol.
Gu Xiulan, his childhood fiancée, was hell itself, and best left alone, though he knew he could not do so. She was, at this point of time, still his fiancée, and would not accept his avoiding her forever. However, finding a proper way to deal with her was the future Yu's problem.

Now Han Fang, on the other hand, Yu was somewhat glad to see again, as while their paths had separated a long time ago, they had separated at mostly good terms and the stocky cultivator was always glad when he saw his childhood companion, although he rarely did.
The once-mute boy, had undergone an almost meteoric rise in the Imperial Army. Already a captain, a mid Cyan and late Iron cultivator, almost always on a campaign, the now mountainous man had little time in his life for matters unconnected to warcraft, even for his clan, let alone Fan Yu.

Fang had been one of the few bright spots in Yu's life in that second bitter year, after the Final Tournament of the first year, when Jian and Xiulan had managed, by the skin of their teeth and with no small amount of luck, to advance to the Inner Sect.

That second year... had been desolate. Yu and Fang had been left behind, bereft of most of their allies and denied the various Sect resources and privileges that showed their true value only in their absence.

To make matters worse, the strongest remaining disciple, Kang Zihao, had nursed a grudge against the Golden Fields for his narrow defeat at Jian's hands, and Lu Feng was dutifully carrying on his crimson princess' mandate to cause havoc and ensure the rule of jungle, with Sun Liling's blessings and, more importantly, some of her resources and assets.

The older leaders of the Outer Sect Disciples meanwhile were on the war path, thankfully without Chu Song who had scrapped by to the Inner Sect, finally united in their desire to prevent the events of the last year from repeating and thus stopping some first year upstarts from preventing their advancement in Sect's hierarchy, again.

It had fallen to Han Fang and Fan Yu to help Guangli and that freak Huang to pick up the pieces of the Cai's council. An impossible task, but one they had to attempt in order to acquire allies and infrastructure needed to keep all their enemies from taking their pound of blood.

Just the great effort of keeping himself alive and well, as well as some subsequent unpleasant events, had changed Fan Yu.

Xiulan had used opportunity of her advancement to gleefully wreck beyond any hope of repair their mutual relationship, thereby even endangering the relations between their two clans.
Their betrothal had been in shambles for months at that point due to her unreasonable antagonism and was likely doomed to failure. Yu knew that the most likely outcome was for him to marry some other girl from Xiulan's clan, however, in her impatience and sheer capriciousness, drunk with victory, Xiulan had been entirely too ham-fisted and had pressed too hard and too fast in her attempts to force her father's hands and break their engagement, which had borne unfortunate consequences for both Xiulan and Yu.

His father and his honorable grandfather the clan head, had not been happy, and they had let their displeasure be known, both to Xiulan's father and himself.
Xiulan's father, not too satisfied himself with Xiulan's conduct and even further incensed by the outcome of the short and abruptly ended negotiations with the leaders of the Fan clan, punished Xiulan harshly for her insolence, which had cost the Gu clan.

Fan Yu scowled, angry at himself, and again banished thoughts of Xiulan the furthest he could. Unbidden, his thoughts went to the other dominant presence in his childhood, Han Jian.

Han Jian, on the other hand, had just grown distant as time passed. No great theatrics and volcanic eruptions of emotions for him.
Rather, the moment of his ascension in the Sect's hierarchy, marked also the moment when Jian had left Yu behind, in body and mind. He rarely returned letters, and seemingly had little time to devote to Fan Yu, always citing some unspecified responsibilities and unspecified obligations as the reason for his unavailability.

It had taken him many years, but the stubborn noble had eventually understood that his 'brother' Jian had likely not been as fond of him as Fan Yu had always been of the taller boy, and had intentionally allowed their relationship to wither away.

The sting of that harsh, but nigh undisputable fact still pained him, even all these years later.

Fan Yu logically understood that he had always possessed certain flaws. He was far from perfect, and one could not expect to be universally liked, even in the case that he was a better man than Yu was.

He was too blunt, frequently overly harsh, almost prone to insensitivity when it came to other people's feelings and not very tactical in certain situations to put it mildly. He had an unfortunate tendency for risk-taking, with a gambling vice he constantly had to keep in a steel grip.
He was also easily roused to anger and often impatient, sometimes even outright unkind.

Fan Yu knew all this.

His emotions burned hotly, and could get away from him at times. While unseemly in a noble and a cultivator, it was just who he was, Fan Yu had long since accepted that part of his being. It was something he had learned to manage with his family's training and simple experience, but not something he felt embarrassed about.

He had always disliked being dishonest, hiding cruel thoughts behind bland smiles, nor did he like behaving like a three-day old dead fish, never showing joy or any other passion, always killing one's emotions in the name of some unnaturally bland "composure".

However, he always thought that his virtues outweighed his frankly noticeable flaws. He was loyal, passionate, generous, honest, cheerful and of a forgiving nature.

Too bad Han Jian apparently had never felt quite the same way.

Which honestly made their current conversation, first real one in almost a week for Jian and the first one in years to Yu, all the more stilting and surreal to the stout man/boy.

"You have been absent quite a bit ever since we arrived at the Sect, Yu. Is everything well?" asked the General's son with a faint air of curiosity, while they walked leisurely on their way to the market. Han Fang was also present, moving entirely too quietly for a person of his size, on the opposite side from Fan Yu, with Han Jian in the centre of their little group.

"Everything's fine, Jian. I was just busy exploring the mountainside and training a bit. The change of surroundings have been a real inspiration!" replied the other boy, trying to project a bit of his (in)famous energy into the answer, hoping to put Jian at ease.

It... didn't entirely succeed.

Fan Yu, while a cheerful and passionate man, still had a mind of an adult with more than a few years of experience under his belt; in war, cultivation and life.
He simply didn't behave like his former self had, and could never hope to closely imitate the rambunctiousness nor the unthinking abrasiveness of the 14-year old Fan Yu. (Hence, he just simply couldn't cause the same kind of annoyance to the people in his presence. Not that Fan Yu realized any of this).

Han Jian, and even Han Fang looked a bit uncertain at the answer. Nevertheless, the Tiger Scion let out a soft chuckle.

"Is that so? Well, I must say, Fan Yu, the Argent Sect seems to be doing you good. You looked very focused these last several weeks. I can't remember the last time your eyes held such drive, and for such a long time. I am thankful that it was not some trouble causing this.
And I hope you forgive me, old friend, for saying this, but you have also certainly... mellowed out a bit. Honestly, it is a good look on you. Even Xiulan noticed. She approves."

In the background, Fan Yu could see Fang giving a solemn nod, apparently agreeing with his cousin. Not that surprising. Yu could count on the fingers of his hand the times Fang had disagreed with Jian in all the years he knew them, and still come short.

'And that's the sticking point, isn't it?' thought Fan Yu bitterly.

He had been avoiding his companions, truthfully. He had been busy trying to regain those abilities of his that he could, had been busy rebuilding qi and opening meridians all over again, and had hoped to hasten the process by using all the myriad of cultivating sites and secrets that the Outer Sect held and that were mostly reserved for the first years, hoping to use his 'unfair' knowledge accumulated during his three years spent in the Argent Sect in order to gain an upper hand against the frankly monstrous competition.

First years had no place being that advanced!

Truly, his generation must have had the worst of luck to have been saddled with the likes of Bai Meizhen and Sun Liling as their competition.

However in his haste to secure as much of the resources for himself as he possibly could, no mean goal when his intention was to do this just by himself if possible, especially as weak as he currently was, he seemed to have behaved significantly unlike his younger self.
(Unlike even his older self for that matter, not that Fan Yu realized this at the start. His sheer zeal for forging a new life for himself had made him behave quite oddly for his standards, younger or older.)

And this new Fan Yu seemed to be more to the liking of his compatriots and his fiancée from the Golden Fields.

It was an ugly thing, that realization. That the selfish, ambitious, distant, almost uncaring version of him was the one that Jian, Xiulan and even Fang seemed to prefer, rather than his generous and caring original self.

It opened old wounds, the ones that had never truly healed but rather had just scabbed over, even though his wife-to-be FeiFei had tried her best to help and comfort him.

He was still bitter, and still resentful. Of Jian's long-hidden, traitorous dislike, of Xiulan's scorching disapproval and cruel enmity, and Fang's stoic almost indifference.

Of being left behind, alone, as so many others, worse in character but stronger in talent, passed him in the mud. Of being disliked, or even ignored by people he liked and trusted.

However.

'I need their help' came the unpleasant realization, stuck like a bone in his throat.

'I am not strong enough to access most of the cultivation sites.I will not become strong enough fast enough. Sun Liling, Kang Zihao or somebody else will claim them. To say nothing of the Elders' trials...'

And Fan Yu wanted those Elders' trials, and what they would bring very much. His ignorance of the myriad Argent Arts, with the exception of the humble Argent Soul, gnawed on him fiercely.
He also wanted the attention, the recognition, that passing the Elders' trial would bring him.

Additionally, the material rewards awaiting those that passed the trials was nothing to sneeze at.

"Yu? Have you started sleepwalking?" asked Jian humorously, interrupting his frenzied thoughts.

Fan Yu watched the other boy carefully, at war with himself. Han Jian. The gallant, noble, compassionate, treacherous, weak, dishonest, flawed Han Jian. Yu felt himself on a precipice, weighing whether to keep his knowledge of the Sect's bounties to himself, or to trust again.

He turned his gaze to the other larger boy walking beside them. The polite, calm and stoic Han Fang, who seemingly preferred the background and whose affable silence hid a veritable storm of ambition and a thirst that could not be denied, a primal desire to step out of the shadow and to make something of himself, to make all his wishes come true, no matter the cost and no matter who got in the way.

Fan Yu licked his suddenly dry lips and let out a hoarse chuckle.

"N-no, I haven't. I've just been thinking. Jian, and you Fang, listen carefully. I think I may have found something interesting on the north side of the mountain a couple of days ago..." started speaking the shortest boy among the three of them quietly, the two other boys unconsciously stepping closer to better hear him, with Fang discreetly making noise not carry over to the other disciples.

Ultimately, Fan Yu was the forgiving sort, and he was ready to roll the dice again.


AN: @yrsillar The more I write, the more I appreciate the effort you put in this quest. Really, hats off.

Absolutely excellent omake Horium, please keep on writing them!
 
For a few more substantive critiques that I just thought of:

I like the idea that Fan Yu was damaged by all the rejection and abandonment and his self-loathing is interesting. But this



Felt a bit like it came out of nowhere. He had previously been going on in his head about how people liked him more because he was less abrasive. Maybe it would have been better to emphasize what he didn't like about his present self- aloofness, ambition, selfishness, earlier so there's more a buildup to that line.

I'll have to go over it tomorrow. You may very well be right that it's too sudden or didn't flow right.
 
Has there been any statement or implication to the effect that we're supposed to keep Cai's offer under wraps? I notice we haven't had an option to talk it over with Gu Xiulan or Han Jian, both of whom have given us good advice in the past.

Also, I'm hoping that clearing out the Xiulan action this turn re-opens the girls' night out option with Xiulan and Meizhen.
 
Argent Storm look's like good art for melee character.
But we aren't one, and we already have 2 defensive arts TRF and SCS.
I know that people were planning to upgrade it to level 3, but can we get something else?
Pay 20 points for FVM spiritual support art or another music art?
 
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Argent Storm look's like good art for melee character.
But we aren't one, and we already have 2 defensive arts TRF and SCS.
I know that people were planning to upgrade it to level 3, but can we get something else?
Pay 20 points for FVM spiritual support art or another music art?
Well, at the moment we won't be able to level it up to level 3, as we need to know what the "special event" is that is required. In all likely hood, it is Han Jian getting to level 2 in Argent Mirror, but we can't know for sure.

However, as it stands, I believe most people want to get a spiritual offensive buff art so that we can get FVM hitting like a truck again as well as the other benefits that such an art could bring. I personally want to spend 50 points and get a nice level 3 art for such a purpose, but I don't know if everyone agrees with that sentiment. As the turns progress, we'll see what is in store for us, but I don't think spending a couple of actions on AS is in the cards right now. It would be much better to spend another action on AC and get that to level 3, should we have the time.

Well, we sorta are now. If only thanks to our music melee attacks.

Beside we have more melee art than either music or archery arts. (3 to 1 each).
While we do have more melee arts due to the argent series, our archery dice far outweighs our melee dice. Which would be indicative of an archery focus over a melee focus. Either way, I would like to see our music dice skyrocket above both of those, but we will have to get the arts in order to do that.
 
I don't really understand what the rules are for Instants. Despite being instant, is it one can only activate one each turn plus you also get your normal action? Or is it that you can only activate one instant in response to each enemy action?
 
Well, at the moment we won't be able to level it up to level 3, as we need to know what the "special event" is that is required. In all likely hood, it is Han Jian getting to level 2 in Argent Mirror, but we can't know for sure.
I'm pretty sure it's just that we need to talk with Han Jian because we don't actually have the Jade Slip.
They showed each other the beginning exercises of each others art's, enough to practice the first few levels. They would need to cooperate again to push beyond, which was an unfortunate necessity due to the jade slips, which were protected from being copied.
However, as it stands, I believe most people want to get a spiritual offensive buff art so that we can get FVM hitting like a truck again as well as the other benefits that such an art could bring. I personally want to spend 50 points and get a nice level 3 art for such a purpose, but I don't know if everyone agrees with that sentiment. As the turns progress, we'll see what is in store for us, but I don't think spending a couple of actions on AS is in the cards right now. It would be much better to spend another action on AC and get that to level 3, should we have the time.
are you talking before breakthrough, or before the tournament?
 
are you talking before breakthrough, or before the tournament?
I don't particularly care, but I don't think we will have time before the breakthrough, especially if people want to do a week 37 breakthrough.

I don't really understand what the rules are for Instants. Despite being instant, is it one can only activate one each turn plus you also get your normal action? Or is it that you can only activate one instant in response to each enemy action?
I believe that the rule for instants is that only one instant can be used per phase. For example, when it is turn one and we go first we are in an offensive phase and can use an instant then (Mists + Dissonance). Then, after the offensive phase, it is the defensive phase for us and the enemies offensive phase. At that point, we can use another instant (Cresent's Grace). That seems to be how instant's have been mechanically used.
 
While we do have more melee arts due to the argent series, our archery dice far outweighs our melee dice. Which would be indicative of an archery focus over a melee focus. Either way, I would like to see our music dice skyrocket above both of those, but we will have to get the arts in order to do that.
It would be kind of funny if we accidentally turn into a melee terror by way of flute-driven counterattacks + dodge tanking.

OTOH it could turn into a disadvantage if missing counterattacks can provoke counterattacks of their own.
 
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It would be kind of funny if we accidentally turn into a melee terror by way of flute-driven counterattacks + dodge tanking.

OTOH it could turn into a disadvantage if missing counterattacks can provoke counterattacks of their own.

Typically, one doesn't allow counterattack counterattacks or things get just silly.
 
Anyway, while I had said the big issue of using only the Argent arts in yellow would be that there would be low p.defence and s.defence if Mirror and Storm art it, I kind of under-estimated both of them.

It certainly wouldn't be exceptional dice by itself, but for p.defence we can expect AS4 to give +4 phys def, and even dismissing the third tech Rumbling Squall can be expected to give +5def and +2armour by then. So while it wouldn't be great by itself, it should still give a high tier late yellow something like Attribute 6 + Mastery 6 + Armour 3 + AS 4 + RS 5 + Activation 2 = 26 p.defence in first turn, with maybe 4 armour. So, mediocre maybe but nothing terrible.

as for s.def, Mirror focus mostly on flat out dispelling most lesser spiritual effects less than dice, and that's not a horrible strategy early on given the rarity of s.focus yellows.
 
I think that's "good", just not "good enough" when facing monsters like Sun Liling.
For exemple, i believe it would be a definitive improvement for Team SueSue, and i expect the Ma Bodyguards to be at that average level.
 
Something I've been wondering for a while

Where in the world is Huang Da?

Seriously, the last time we saw him was in the council meeting on Week 23. This was the last notable thing he did:


He wasn't mentioned or seen in Growing Pains or the aftermath, and the same applies to Yan Renshu's downfall and the Fortress infiltration that happened when Sun chased us down. Even Fu Xiang, who dropped off the face of the earth to breakthrough, still had a few mentions when he helped us break into Sun's fortress.

I'm just wondering what the hell he's been doing. The narrative doesn't mention him and neither do any of the characters for like 10 weeks. Did he go into isolation, or has he been doing stuff behind the scene and Ling Qi hasn't noticed/doesn't care? Did Ling Qi block out his existence now that he's no longer bothering her? So many questions.

It would make sense for him to double down on training though. Huang Da has an inherent disadvantage against Ji Rong, and I think it's apparent to him considering the beating he took in Thunderdome Redux. Maybe he's trying to keep up with the prodigy and it's taking all his time?
Ling Qi made like Adorjan. As the murderbuddha says, keep running ahead, keep running past, when they are behind you they aren't even a memory.
Just to weigh in on Ling Qi's future specialization or way of cultivation. I'm very much liking the sound of using the Argent Arts as a base for our other two most flexible specialties; the moon is associated with change (and we could theoretically replace the darkness meridians with moon ones to balance our qi?) and music seems like a very flexible art where we could possibly have balanced elements (and music meridians to balance elemental qi?).

Also this does fit in with Ling Qi's love of freedom and choice which I like the narrative of. I'm not sure if this would interfere with her archery. Maybe a flying self playing flute would allow her to do both? Though that seems like it would have drawbacks.

I also really want to find out what argent qi is all about, could be great synergistic add to our music, or totally not helpful. Really though I think we should do some fact finding minor actions to find out more about what is even possible. Xaun Shi may have had the right idea of it, and it might be a great way to find inspiration by looking up past famous musician cultivators of history.
I'd note that Argent/Silver/Mercury is the traditional color/element of the Moon too in classical alchemy!

But I think they take a different emphasis:
-The Argent Qi is about taking opposites, balancing them, and then combining them into the Dao.
--Assuming it works entirely like the I Ching(which is a stretch because I doubt @yrsillar would do this to themselves) formations.
--First came the Dao. The Oneness of Yin and Yang is the beginning of all things. This is Argent Genesis.
--Second came the Trigrams. Eight permutations of Yin and Yang, each unique yet mirrored. Heaven and Earth, Wind and Thunder, Fire and Water, Mountain and Lake. In completing and reuniting the eight forms, you will once again achieve the Dao, enriched by your understanding of the eight great aspects of the world.
--After the Trigrams comes the Hexagrams. Sixty four permutations of the Eight Trigrams, representing ever finer understandings.

If it work like that well, I can understand why he says if you seek to be a Sage, you have to do nothing else! Because you would have to master 32 arts of 64 elements, of which only 4 are known from the previous circle!

-The Moon on the other hand is Change. Through reflection in the face of the moon, an element becomes something else. You can align the Moon faces to the eight elements too, at least in their themes, as each moon has themes matching an element of the Eight:
-Heaven - Guiding
-Fire - Dreaming
-Wind - Grinning
-Lake/Mountain - Reflective Moons
-Thunder - Bloody
-Water - Mother
-Earth - Hidden - Darkness

But really a big part of this is that Ling Qi doesn't know shit and nobody's going to tell her without some compensation for it.
An Argent Core modified by the faces of the moon would be pretty interesting.
That being said, it's still worth trying to get the fourth Art, because while these support a brawler style, their passives are pretty good--and we can take elements from them to otherwise make us stronger. Thunderous Retort for instance would be great fighting Liling in the future if it continues to develop, and more defense is never a bad thing.

Like, while in a vacuum, yeah, the Elementary Argent Arts are chiefly good for brawlers, they're not really designed to be used in a vacuum.

And while Red is the introduction to Cultivation, Yellow seems to be the point where you lock down your Foundation in earnest while your Qi is still fairly malleable. The stronger and broader our Foundation is when we break through to the Third Realm, the easier time we should have adapting to more exotic techniques in the Third Realm.
Well, since the Argent Arts are 100% compatible with the flute direct music attacks, they do work with that to provide a close in threat.
The music gives us a medium ranged melee attack, which is kickass when the Arts seem to have been assuming close ranged melee.

Pressure Crack would be a lot scarier, I think, if you had an orchestra of FVM users applying it from range
 
I'm not entirely convinced that argent is viable long-term.

Maybe if we sign up with the sect permanently, but otherwise...


It's still pretty useful for right now though. I just don't think we should make it our "way".
 
Doesn't need to be our way, just be useful as a formation and gap-closer.
Considering Ling Qi high Talent and therefor Meridian threshold, she can afford to have a few extra Arts around.

Also, it's useful for specific situations. Like Sun Liling shown, you want to have extra Arts mastered outside of your direct speciality, just in case you need them.
 
Doesn't need to be our way, just be useful as a formation and gap-closer.
Considering Ling Qi high Talent and therefor Meridian threshold, she can afford to have a few extra Arts around.

Also, it's useful for specific situations. Like Sun Liling shown, you want to have extra Arts mastered outside of your direct speciality, just in case you need them.

If set's like the one we are currently building are the norm for argent, then they don't make good utility.

Utility arts should be something you can change in or out so that you can deal with a variety of situations. Argent arts are all conflicting/balanced elements, and so you cannot change them quickly unless the thing you are switching them out for is also conflicting/balanced and uses the same meridians.

In other words, in the kind of utility your describing, it only plays nice with other argent arts. Not really ideal for us.
 
Yeah, for fast switching you need same elements and meridians and argent arts seem to be pretty unique combinations.
 
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