Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

Does that take into account the 50% penalty on cultivation dice past the first for a specific cultivation subject in a week? Not for the breakthrough rolls, but for the spiritual/physical recovery actions?

That's basically the entire reason parallel breakthrough attempts have been the standard proposal. Doubling down on Green in one week doesn't seem feasible beyond our fancy new pill's use.
 
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Does that take into account the 50% penalty on cultivation dice past the first for a specific cultivation subject in a week? Not for the breakthrough rolls, but for the spiritual/physical recovery actions?

That's basically the entire reason parallel breakthrough attempts have been the standard proposal. Doubling down on Green in one week doesn't seem feasible beyond our fancy new pill's use.
That is something I'd never thought of.

@yrsillar is that an intended obstacl to breaking through- a 50% on refilling spiritual or physical if you have to do it more than once? Because it seems like locking yourself in a cave a focusing on breaking through is a fairly common practice among npcs.
 
@yrsillar
When your health is reduced to two or less clear tracks, you begin to receive stacking penalties to all actions as well.
a character with three or less health boxes remaining unmarked suffers stacking penalties to all actions starting at -1 dice.

One of these says you start suffering wound penalties AT 3 remaining health boxes, the other says you start suffering wound penalties BELOW 3 remaining health boxes. I think the later is correct, but clarification would be helpful.
 
Does that take into account the 50% penalty on cultivation dice past the first for a specific cultivation subject in a week? Not for the breakthrough rolls, but for the spiritual/physical recovery actions?

That's basically the entire reason parallel breakthrough attempts have been the standard proposal. Doubling down on Green in one week doesn't seem feasible beyond our fancy new pill's use.
Tbh, no I haven't accounted for that. This is because it's largely irrelevant in this scenario.

Consider the shittest case: we fail first, reroll, fail again (doesn't cost), and fail again. That's 3 actions down. We then, say, recover. don't quite get it. Then recover again - and yes, it will be at half, but that doesn't matter because we'll have ~100% chance of succeeding there anyway. That's 5 actions. Roll again, and the week is done.

Basically, if you run through most of the possible scenarios like that you find that we're basically never going to have a problem with the half effectiveness because we run out of actions before it becomes a thing.

The more relevant thing that I haven't accounted for is overflow: I think that ~20% of the time we'll actually be able to recover both physical and spiritual with 1 roll, which might help things a little bit.
 
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I would presume so. If breaking through was easy everybody would do it. Just another reason high talent is important to breakthroughs: we recover faster.

Yeah, a roll of 90 will cost us two or three rolls to repeak.

It would cost Han Jian weeks, and Fan Yu months.
 
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How many dice do we get for a spiritual or physical roll?

I think I might try modeling this in python just for fun
 
So I've been reading Er Gen's A Will Eternal since people have said that it's much better than his earlier works. I find that I rather enjoy his humor, light and juvenile as it is. But then I hit the main character's first life-or-death battle, got totally turned off and realized that I've been liking it okay for so long because there have been so few real fights in it thus far. Indeed, many xianxia fights devolve to raw power versus raw power contests which are just boring to read about. The confrontations in this quest on the other hand are amazing to read about because they aren't raw power versus raw power. It's so satisfying to read support characters contribute to fights in meaningful ways. The group versus group fights here are fantastic and I have never seen the like in any xianxia fiction. Most stories just treat group fights as multiple one-on-one fights. I also love it when Ling Qi sets out to complete mission objectives that don't require winning straight fights.
 
So I've been reading Er Gen's A Will Eternal since people have said that it's much better than his earlier works. I find that I rather enjoy his humor, light and juvenile as it is. But then I hit the main character's first life-or-death battle, got totally turned off and realized that I've been liking it okay for so long because there have been so few real fights in it thus far. Indeed, many xianxia fights devolve to raw power versus raw power contests which are just boring to read about. The confrontations in this quest on the other hand are amazing to read about because they aren't raw power versus raw power. It's so satisfying to read support characters contribute to fights in meaningful ways. The group versus group fights here are fantastic and I have never seen the like in any xianxia fiction. Most stories just treat group fights as multiple one-on-one fights. I also love it when Ling Qi sets out to complete mission objectives that don't require winning straight fights.
Er Gen isn't great at writing battles, that's true, but his humor in AWE is great and he's great at making you want to read more.

OTOH, I tried Ze Tian Ji, and could t get through the first chapter
 
How many dice do we get for a spiritual or physical roll?
Right now we can pull up to 77/79 respectively. +2 autos.

Have fun :p my code looks like this:
realm <- 3
bonus <- 10

n.sim <- 10000
talent <- 6
breakthrough <- talent*10 + bonus - (realm-2)*10
dice <- 67
autos = 2


n.sims <- 10000
results <- data.frame("Spiritual"=rep(NA,n.sims), "Physical"=NA, "actions"=NA)
###
for(i in 1:n.sims){
#log=NULL
spr <- 3
phys <- 3
actions <- 6
# first round: spiritual
# roll until failure
reroll = 1
fail = 0

while(spr>0 & actions >0 & fail<2){
roll <- sample(1:100,1) #roll for breakthrough
schk <- roll-breakthrough #check success
actions <- actions - 1
if(schk<0){ #if succeded
spr <- spr-1 #count success
#log <- c(log,1)
}else if(reroll==1){
log <- c(log,0)
roll <- sample(1:100,1) #roll for breakthrough
schk <- roll-breakthrough #check success
if(schk<0){ #if succeded
spr <- spr-1 #count success
#log <- c(log,1)
}
reroll = 0
}else{
while(schk>0 & actions >0){ #take actions to recover from penalty
roll <- sample(1:10,dice, replace=TRUE)
rerolls <- sample(1:10, length(roll[roll==1]), replace=TRUE)
successes <- length(roll[roll<talent]) + length(rerolls[rerolls<talent]) + autos

schk <- schk-successes
actions <- actions - 1
}
fail=fail+1
#log <- c(log,0)
}
}


#second round: physical
#roll until failure
fail=0
while(phys>0 & actions >0 & fail<2){
roll <- sample(1:100,1) #roll for breakthrough
pchk <- roll-breakthrough #check success
actions <- actions - 1
if(pchk<0){ #if succeded
phys <- phys-1 #count success
}else if(reroll==1){
roll <- sample(1:100,1) #roll for breakthrough
pchk <- roll-breakthrough #check success
if(pchk<0){ #if succeded
phys <- phys-1 #count success
}
reroll = 0
}else{
while(pchk>0 & actions >0){ #take actions to recover from penalty
roll <- sample(1:10,dice, replace=TRUE)
rerolls <- sample(1:10, length(roll[roll==1]), replace=TRUE)
successes <- length(roll[roll<talent]) + length(rerolls[rerolls<talent]) + autos

pchk <- pchk-successes
actions <- actions - 1
}
fail=fail+1
}
}

#lastly, if we have any turns left intelligently work on breakthrough
while( (phys>0 | spr>0) & actions >0){
if(schk>=0 & ((spr <= phys)|phys==0)){ #if there are spiritual actions to take and it is closer than physical
while(schk>0 & actions >0){ #take actions to recover from penalty
roll <- sample(1:10,dice, replace=TRUE)
rerolls <- sample(1:10, length(roll[roll==1]), replace=TRUE)
successes <- length(roll[roll<talent]) + length(rerolls[rerolls<talent]) + autos

schk <- schk-successes
actions <- actions - 1
}
#roll spiritual
while(spr>0 & schk<=0 & actions >0){
roll <- sample(1:100,1) #roll for breakthrough
schk <- roll-breakthrough #check success
actions <- actions - 1
if(schk<0){
spr <- spr-1
}
}
} else {
#do physical
while(pchk>0 & actions >0){ #take actions to recover from penalty
roll <- sample(1:10,dice, replace=TRUE)
rerolls <- sample(1:10, length(roll[roll==1]), replace=TRUE)
successes <- length(roll[roll<talent]) + length(rerolls[rerolls<talent]) + autos

pchk <- pchk-successes
actions <- actions - 1
}
#roll physical
while(phys>0 & pchk<=0 & actions >0){
roll <- sample(1:100,1) #roll for breakthrough
pchk <- roll-breakthrough #check success
actions <- actions - 1
if(pchk<0){
phys <- phys-1
}
}
}
}
results$Spiritual <- spr
results$Physical <- phys
results$actions <- actions
}

It can get pretty obnoxious trying to set up the conditionals for checking whether or not spiritual or physical should be rolled after the initial rolls are done.
 
Can you imagine what the negaverse thread looked like right after that fight?
Oh I can. I think I've read equivalents in the earlier days of Paths of Civilization. Good chance it was worse though. As in thread lock for a week, ten plus bans, new thread policies. The whole nine yards.
 
Even with just three and no access to AG since he never got to Inner, having Argent Soul, a family art,and a third art all mastered has got to provide incredible dividends compared to just starting with half a family art while trying to learn Argent Soul.

As an aside, I assume most Noble Cultivation Arts buff pills or stone guzzling, since wealth is their primary advantage over the rare high Talent commoner.
Naw. I think most Noble Cultivation Arts would buff a specific set of elements or meridians immensely, and take advantage of a specific cultivating environment.
Remember wealth is their primary advantage in the sects. The money comes from somewhere. Wealth they spend cultivating is wealth that's not being reinvested into their fief's productivity or in recruiting new cultivators to either fight or deal with cultivation goods production.

What they want is the ability to:
-Get a perfect elemental and meridian foundation for their clan arts.
-Take advantage of any exceptional cultivation sites in their territory.
-Coup with lower Talent drawbacks because even the runt branch family members are still your clan assets
-Take advantage of any clan spirit allies.
-Save money

Which means basically any clan cultivation art should be expected to:
-Enable binding spirits of a specific elemental combination very early. Loyalty takes time to grow, so as soon as they are physically able to, you want to bind while both cultivator and spirit are young. This also accelerates cultivating their clan arts, which can be expected to share elements with their clan spirits.
-Buff learning their clan art requirements enabling them to become useful more quickly even if their Talent is crap.
-Free stones and equivalents are very important, even if they are limited to their home terrain.

Saltiest negaverse is probably the Ji Rong Negaverse over the way our respective social disadvantages have played out.
He just took SV's favorite flaws: Pride and Wrath
 
How many dice do we get for a spiritual or physical roll?

I think I might try modeling this in python just for fun
Right now we can pull up to 77/79 respectively. +2 autos.
Going full out, we have significantly more:
Talent 6 + stone 30 + vent 8 + EPC 7 + larceny 5 (4 currently, but we'll get to 5 before breakthrough) + pills 24 + friends 5 = 85 dice + 2 autos for physical
Talent 6 + stone 3 + vent 8 + EPC 9 + Larceny 5 + Pills 23 +friends 5 = 86 dice + 2 autos for spiritual.

However, that is with not knowing exactly what the 2nd level elemental pills give. If we did know, we could expect another 15 dice for either of those.
 
Cat Qi?
The cat was a wily, suspicious creature.

That was fine, Cai Renxiang was patient. She had first noticed the cat hanging about her friend, Meizhen, and had initially assumed it belonged to her. Meizhen fed it, petted it, and Renxiang often saw it snoozing peacefully in Meizhen's dorm room. It always showed up to wind around her legs after class, and occasionally left dead mice in her room. Cai Renxiang was honestly very surprised to learn that it was, in fact, a stray, and though it hung around their other classmates occasionally, particularly Han Jian and Gu Xiulan, more often than not, it simply wandered around the streets, doing its own thing.

Despite apparently being well able to look after itself, Meizhen had confided that she was concerned about what the cat would do when term ended and all the students had to return home to their families. Winter was coming soon, and would the cat be able to look after itself then? Meizhen would dearly have liked to take it home with her, but her grandfather was very strict in his no pets policy.

By this point, Cai Renxiang had been friends with Meizhen long enough to hear her unspoken plea to look after the stray. So long as Renxiang kept her grades up, her mother was very permissive about what she did with her time, and Meizhen knew that not only was her home nearby, but that her family had more than enough resources to look after a dozen stray cats if they wanted. Renxiang had sighed, and promised to look into the matter. At least the cat was very neat and toilet-trained, unlike Liling's ugly hound.

Some students had let it into the school, under the mistaken impression that a wild dog would be perfect as their club mascot or something, and it had proven an utter menace. It frightened the younger students with its barking, stole food the second anyone left some unattended, and it pissed and shit in the most inconvenient places. Cai had finally gotten sick of it, and called her cousin Xuanshi, who worked part time at the local pound, to get rid of it. This he had done most admirably, but then Liling just had to go rescue it. Ugh. Thank goodness the teachers had at least forbidden her to bring it anywhere within the school compound.

But back to the cat. It was a rather gangly, awkward looking creature, but still, much better than Liling's filthy dog. It was neat, quiet, and fairly unobstrusive; its dark pelt letting it blend well with the shadows. It had excellent table manners, and never stole from Meizhen, or any of their classmates whom it stayed with, but always waited politely to be offered food, unlike Liling's ill-mannered mutt. It was also fiercely loyal. Renxiang had first seen it hissing and spitting as it placed itself between Meizhen and a group of taunting boys. The one fellow who had tried to kick it away had gotten quite badly scratched up for his presumption, and then Guangli had leaped into the fray to free up Meizhen and keep another boy from kicking its ribs in.

Since then, the cat seemed to have mostly accepted Guangli and Renxiang as Meizhen's friends, enough to not run away when it saw them, and to occasionally accept a tidbit when they offered. It was still a terribly suspicious beast though. Once, Renxiang had left it a whole chicken leg, and instead of eating it then and there, it had picked up the food and run off, as if worried Renxiang would try to take it back. Another time, when Renxiang had left out a bowl of cat food for it, it had sniffed it suspiciously, and then only eaten it once Renxiang pretended to not be paying attention to it at all. It had also hunted down and left dead mice in the bowl a few nights later, as if thinking it had to repay her or something.

Renxiang found that food was more likely to be eaten if it was left outside on the street, rather than directly outside her room door. And that the cat, despite its rather distrustful nature to anyone not named "Bai Meizhen", was in fact a rather generous animal. On the second night or so of the food being left out, Renxiang witnessed it shepherding along two smaller cats towards the food, and then keeping a weather-eye out to make sure no other strays could interrupt their meal. One of the cats had a rather bushy tail, and the other had markings around its eyes that looked rather like spectacles. Both were much smaller, and clearly much weaker than Meizhen's cat, and it would clearly have been the easiest thing in the world for it to drive them off, but it seemed to be looking after them instead. How peculiar.

In any case, soon after Meizhen had made her unspoken request, Renxiang had decided she needed to up her game if she wanted to persuade the cat to come home with her. Simply leaving the occasional tidbit and bowl of food out simply wasn't going to cut it.

She started with the classic laser pointer trick. The cat seemed to enjoy running about and chasing the little red dot of light, and when the game was over, she rewarded it with a fish-flavoured cat treat. She played with it and rewarded it a few more times, and then finals happened and she quite forgot it for a while. Then there had been a great hullabaloo as the teachers discovered that Yan Renshu had been blackmailing his classmates into stealing from his fellow students, and on the same day, Renxiang returned to her room to find a rather proud-looking cat with her favourite ring in its mouth. She had thought it lost some months ago, but the cat had apparently found it for her. That was when she had decided she really needed to lure the cat home for its own sake, and not just because Meizhen had asked her to. Animals weren't supposed to be that clever, were they?

She had attempted to lure it home directly by waving a small fried fish in front of it, and dropping pieces of the fish on the way to her mansion, but just before they managed to reach her home (where Renxiang had carefully prepared much nicer food and even a comfy basket for it), it had freaked out over nothing that she could sense, and dashed away. Renxiang had seen neither hide nor hair of it for a week or so, but after that, it had started popping up around her much more frequently. Warily watching her from a distance, it appeared and vanished unpredictably, but it seemed to be stalking her. Renxiang made a point of behaving normally, and not making a big fuss the first time it perched, warily, on her windowsill, observing her with its blue, slitted eyes, and then stayed in her room for longer than five minutes at a time. The cat didn't know it yet, but soon enough, it would be hers. After all, a Cai always got what she wanted.


((So, my second omake in this thread! What can I say, I was inspired by the various alt!universes people were exploring. @yrsillar I don't know if you saw or counted my first omake, but I hope my second one counts!

P.S. Just confirming but the maximum amount of omake successes have already been dedicated to our upcoming mission right?))
 
The cat was a wily, suspicious creature.

That was fine, Cai Renxiang was patient. She had first noticed the cat hanging about her friend, Meizhen, and had initially assumed it belonged to her. Meizhen fed it, petted it, and Renxiang often saw it snoozing peacefully in Meizhen's dorm room. It always showed up to wind around her legs after class, and occasionally left dead mice in her room. Cai Renxiang was honestly very surprised to learn that it was, in fact, a stray, and though it hung around their other classmates occasionally, particularly Han Jian and Gu Xiulan, more often than not, it simply wandered around the streets, doing its own thing.

Despite apparently being well able to look after itself, Meizhen had confided that she was concerned about what the cat would do when term ended and all the students had to return home to their families. Winter was coming soon, and would the cat be able to look after itself then? Meizhen would dearly have liked to take it home with her, but her grandfather was very strict in his no pets policy.

By this point, Cai Renxiang had been friends with Meizhen long enough to hear her unspoken plea to look after the stray. So long as Renxiang kept her grades up, her mother was very permissive about what she did with her time, and Meizhen knew that not only was her home nearby, but that her family had more than enough resources to look after a dozen stray cats if they wanted. Renxiang had sighed, and promised to look into the matter. At least the cat was very neat and toilet-trained, unlike Liling's ugly hound.

Some students had let it into the school, under the mistaken impression that a wild dog would be perfect as their club mascot or something, and it had proven an utter menace. It frightened the younger students with its barking, stole food the second anyone left some unattended, and it pissed and shit in the most inconvenient places. Cai had finally gotten sick of it, and called her cousin Xuanshi, who worked part time at the local pound, to get rid of it. This he had done most admirably, but then Liling just had to go rescue it. Ugh. Thank goodness the teachers had at least forbidden her to bring it anywhere within the school compound.

But back to the cat. It was a rather gangly, awkward looking creature, but still, much better than Liling's filthy dog. It was neat, quiet, and fairly unobstrusive; its dark pelt letting it blend well with the shadows. It had excellent table manners, and never stole from Meizhen, or any of their classmates whom it stayed with, but always waited politely to be offered food, unlike Liling's ill-mannered mutt. It was also fiercely loyal. Renxiang had first seen it hissing and spitting as it placed itself between Meizhen and a group of taunting boys. The one fellow who had tried to kick it away had gotten quite badly scratched up for his presumption, and then Guangli had leaped into the fray to free up Meizhen and keep another boy from kicking its ribs in.

Since then, the cat seemed to have mostly accepted Guangli and Renxiang as Meizhen's friends, enough to not run away when it saw them, and to occasionally accept a tidbit when they offered. It was still a terribly suspicious beast though. Once, Renxiang had left it a whole chicken leg, and instead of eating it then and there, it had picked up the food and run off, as if worried Renxiang would try to take it back. Another time, when Renxiang had left out a bowl of cat food for it, it had sniffed it suspiciously, and then only eaten it once Renxiang pretended to not be paying attention to it at all. It had also hunted down and left dead mice in the bowl a few nights later, as if thinking it had to repay her or something.

Renxiang found that food was more likely to be eaten if it was left outside on the street, rather than directly outside her room door. And that the cat, despite its rather distrustful nature to anyone not named "Bai Meizhen", was in fact a rather generous animal. On the second night or so of the food being left out, Renxiang witnessed it shepherding along two smaller cats towards the food, and then keeping a weather-eye out to make sure no other strays could interrupt their meal. One of the cats had a rather bushy tail, and the other had markings around its eyes that looked rather like spectacles. Both were much smaller, and clearly much weaker than Meizhen's cat, and it would clearly have been the easiest thing in the world for it to drive them off, but it seemed to be looking after them instead. How peculiar.

In any case, soon after Meizhen had made her unspoken request, Renxiang had decided she needed to up her game if she wanted to persuade the cat to come home with her. Simply leaving the occasional tidbit and bowl of food out simply wasn't going to cut it.

She started with the classic laser pointer trick. The cat seemed to enjoy running about and chasing the little red dot of light, and when the game was over, she rewarded it with a fish-flavoured cat treat. She played with it and rewarded it a few more times, and then finals happened and she quite forgot it for a while. Then there had been a great hullabaloo as the teachers discovered that Yan Renshu had been blackmailing his classmates into stealing from his fellow students, and on the same day, Renxiang returned to her room to find a rather proud-looking cat with her favourite ring in its mouth. She had thought it lost some months ago, but the cat had apparently found it for her. That was when she had decided she really needed to lure the cat home for its own sake, and not just because Meizhen had asked her to. Animals weren't supposed to be that clever, were they?

She had attempted to lure it home directly by waving a small fried fish in front of it, and dropping pieces of the fish on the way to her mansion, but just before they managed to reach her home (where Renxiang had carefully prepared much nicer food and even a comfy basket for it), it had freaked out over nothing that she could sense, and dashed away. Renxiang had seen neither hide nor hair of it for a week or so, but after that, it had started popping up around her much more frequently. Warily watching her from a distance, it appeared and vanished unpredictably, but it seemed to be stalking her. Renxiang made a point of behaving normally, and not making a big fuss the first time it perched, warily, on her windowsill, observing her with its blue, slitted eyes, and then stayed in her room for longer than five minutes at a time. The cat didn't know it yet, but soon enough, it would be hers. After all, a Cai always got what she wanted.


((So, my second omake in this thread! What can I say, I was inspired by the various alt!universes people were exploring. @yrsillar I don't know if you saw or counted my first omake, but I hope my second one counts!

P.S. Just confirming but the maximum amount of omake successes have already been dedicated to our upcoming mission right?))
On one hand, an omake. On the other hand, a high-school AU ... I'm torn.

:p
 
On one hand, an omake. On the other hand, a high-school AU ... I'm torn.

:p

Eh? What's wrong with high school AUs? I enjoyed that omake of Forge of Destiny in the modern setting.

Also... Gosh. I have no idea why my omake is Informative or Insightful, but okay! I honestly thought a Meow would be more likely than Informative or Insightful lol.

EDIT: @BungieONI *coaxing voice* You could always write your own Cat!Suyin omake... Cat!Ling Qi is already sharing food with her and Cat!Su Ling. And probably defends them from bigger cats. Actually, she probably scent marked a territory for them to live in safely. Hmm... Maybe Cat!Suyin contributes by finding yarn for them to play with together...
 
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Hmm, actually, I'm now interested in re-reading that omake of Modern!AU Forge of Destiny. Does anyone know where it is? I looked into Apocrypha and Sidestory for it, but it doesn't seem to be listed.

EDIT: Nvm, I found it! It was in Apocrypha after all, but it was listed around the June entries despite having been written in November.
 
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